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Opinion It's already happening!!!

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by DPS Driver, Jul 7, 2020.

  1. DPS Driver

    DPS Driver A Local

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    So we've had a couple of rescues in the BC already this year with people who were less than familiar with the surroundings, had gear but didn't know how to use it and didn't have the correct gear.

    So far so good all back with their loved ones safe and sound.

    Let's hope that the end tables don't turn. I haven't been out this season and it's looking like I won't for a while. Has anybody seen many head shakers out there? Are you seeing an increase if under gunned punter traffic? Not being disrespectful, just concerned.
     
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  2. Myazma

    Myazma One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Like the 4 walkers in trainers and no gear hiking Kosi yest. All others looked well equipped
     
  3. DPS Driver

    DPS Driver A Local

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    Well maybe not that underdone but that one takes the cake.
     
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  4. cornice11

    cornice11 One of Us

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    wouldnt read too much into it to be honest- anecdotes vs data, confirmation bias etc. there's unprepared people and rescues every year.
     
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  5. Rick Ross Da Boss

    Rick Ross Da Boss One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Just the usual suspects out back of falls
     
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  6. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    Old hands and BC newbies could be riding bicycles in their home postcode all winter now that the plague is back.
     
  7. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Very common all thru Winter.
     
  8. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Gatekeepers will say otherwise!
     
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  9. cornice11

    cornice11 One of Us

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    exactly, mostly no harm done - they make it back to the car a bit wet and tired, and learn from the experience. we've all been there.
     
  10. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    Yep, you don't forget it when your sleeping bag is just not warm enough or boots become wet and won't dry out etc. :-0.
     
  11. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sort of.
    I’ve never called the police at 4:00 in the arvo.
     
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  12. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    Because your phone battery was flat from taking too many gnarly selficides bro! :whistle:
     
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  13. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    That one last year.

    We are lost, and cold.

    Where are you?

    We headed out from Thredbo.

    They start searching toward DHG (going off reception)

    It was someone in GCB.
     
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  14. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well before 4 also!
     
  15. DPS Driver

    DPS Driver A Local

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    That was the father son one I think, wasn't it?
     
  16. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think it was a daughter.

    There were so many examples last year, and many on that one weekend. All my local friends cant recall a crazier weekend. Maybe 30 cars, and a couple of busses. One avi with broken ankle, one tent buried near Stilwell. And numerous personal accounts like from @Snow Blowey lapping the tip run.
     
  17. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes, he had one in the morning with me, then a second possibly real bad one in the arvo.

    And their mates were siting on their arses at the bottom drinking cherry cola.
     
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  18. Ricardo64

    Ricardo64 Addicted Ski Pass: Gold

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    Its all well to sit and giggle ( as it seems to be human nature) at these people, but let's not forget we were all green once. As we are never born with the knowlege we have today. it might be appreciated by our green friends, if we took them by the hand and showed them the way a little.
     
  19. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    Lots of new tree hazards in the popular side stash zones.
     
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  20. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    It’s Covid central!
    I’m taking no one by the hand,
    I’m even opposed to greeting a stranger by touching wenises!
     
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  21. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    Let's hope no one requires a medivac due to excessive greetings caused by a Covid elbow injury.
     
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  22. DPS Driver

    DPS Driver A Local

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    It's not a case of sit and giggle. I have no issue with people learning and wanting to learn about the back-country, hell I make a living from it.
    It used to be that those who wanted to venture past the resort boundary either found friends with experience and tagged along and learnt or hired guides. Still happens and is in my mind the best way. Some people wing it because they don't have any friends venturing out or can't afford a guide which is fine, mostly they take precautions and do some preparation and study and develop the skills themselves.
    What I have a problem with and it's not an issue for me so much, more concern for them and others they might endanger through their own ignorance. That's the lot that don't have the knowledge, saw the great shots in a mag or online and is getting out there after it just like all the ski brands are pushing without proper preparation or prior learning. It's not so much what they do to themselves but if the shit hits the fan and someone has to rescue them or is inadvertantly injured by them, then that is an issue. This is the number I talk about as a growing trend.
    We're rather lucky here in OZ with a predominantly stable snow pack but there's still plenty of hazards out there to be aware of.
     
  23. Ricardo64

    Ricardo64 Addicted Ski Pass: Gold

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    I am one of those who have sought out many hours of research and planning. evaluating gear ( the useful from the gimick). I headed out for short weekend trips to Mt stirling and as well as day trips. however the cost of hiring guides seems cost preventative. I also joined a splitboard MEET UP club. However, there aren't many places or clubs where you can meet like minded people such as the people here to go out on organised trips with and learn from people with diifferent degrees of knowledge.
    I to am fearful and cautious when I go out. I will consider a line twice before I commit to it. I learnt from my mistakes too! for example, never overload yourself, for me I beleive my ideal packweight is max 15 Kg any more I find decent hard to control( on an splitboard anyway).

    personally I haven't encountered many people in the backcountry "that don't have the knowledge", yet I think we all see great shots in a mag and or online that inspire us to go out and enjoy the bush, especially our Australian bush covered with snow with that deafening silence that is the epitome of sheer peacefulness.

    But I do hear what you are saying ...there is no cure for stupidity !!!
     
  24. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I was lucky, my dad got me started from fairly young. Mind you, mum still likes telling the stories of when the police came around, well before internet etc, dad had a habit of just leaving the car beside the road somewhere random, and we would ski off for a couple of days. He would always tell mum, we are going here, and should be back then, but give it x days before calling cops.
     
  25. Schwarzer Mann

    Schwarzer Mann Addicted

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    As someone who will try out BC this year for the first time I can see how it can be very hard to start off 'the right way'. I spent and unreasonable amount of time on this site the last months, just reading up, asking questions etc. and although I have already averted numerous wrong decisions based on things I have picked up here, I still think I have very little clue overall.
    I'll start with a guided intro tour to at least get a base overview and might do another guided day but it's not really affordable or overly desirable to just go out with a guide continually so there will just be a time where I'll have to venture out there and try and be reasonable.
     
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  26. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I spent my first day just trying out the gear inbounds off piste at Perisher. Thinking of taking skitube to Blue Cow and going for a wander from there, ski to Guthega and back.

    I’d be keen to share a guide if you or anyone else wants to form a BC newbie day.
     
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  27. Schwarzer Mann

    Schwarzer Mann Addicted

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    Excellent, I'll drop you a PM
     
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  28. Ricardo64

    Ricardo64 Addicted Ski Pass: Gold

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    May be we need to start a NEWBIES thread to hook up for day and weekend trips, it would be good to get an OLD SNOW DAWG to tag along as a guiding angel type of thing :D:D:p:cool:LOL:thumbs:
     
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  29. nezumi

    nezumi One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I know of two meetup/community organised groups, which I liken to a bunch cycling ride - you need to know how your equipment works generally speaking, and how to ride it, and they will help you with the finer points and provide support if needed.

    I was meant to go splitboarding for the first time last weekend at Stirling, but it had already been cancelled due to the lack of snow, even before lockdown 2.0 came into effect.
     
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  30. Ricardo64

    Ricardo64 Addicted Ski Pass: Gold

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    I have been twice to Mt Sterling it is a great place to come to terms with your gear and realize your strengths and weaknesses.
    For me I realized that being a pack mule was to my detrement. What goes up at some stage must come down at a rate of 9.8 sec. To summarise; it is easy going up with you heavy pack and that lounge chair strapped to your back, it is another thing coming down, on icy crud we call snow in victoria.
    But all in all it was a great opportunity to test my gear.
    ..
    With stirling plan your run. don't leave it late or you'll be hiking up the last leg to Bluff spur in the dark.
     
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  31. Chaeron

    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    Light is right- fitness + light gear = safety more than carrying additional equipment.
     
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    Schwarzer Mann Addicted

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    Honestly, it's not a bad idea. Well, it probably is for the OLD SNOW DAWG as all the IPA in the world at the end of the day won't make up for the strain people like me would put on them the first few days....
     
  33. Team Weasel

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    Already seen my fair share of fall line skinning. If you're going to be dumb, you'd better be tough.
     
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