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Japan 2020 / 2021 snow season planning

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Snowwww, Apr 4, 2020.

  1. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Gees you definitely get a different impression in all the department stores and supermarkets. But unsuprisingly more a commercial exercise than genuine christmas celebrations.
     
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    What everyones thoughts on airfares? Do you think when travel is permitted the airlines will then commit to offering sales etc? atm Qantas and JAL prices from Sydney to Tokyo in January aren't that attractive. ANA a bit better.
     
  3. Froff Life

    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Could go two ways IMO:

    1 - crazy cheap flights from airlines to encourage international travel again
    2 - more expensive than usual - the people who have been stuck at home saving money rather than spending and now have high levels of disposable income rush to book flights, causing a shortage

    Perhaps a mix of number 1, followed by 2?
    I'd set up some price alerts and be ready to pull the pin as soon as you see prices in your budget
     
  4. ojisan

    ojisan station master Ski Pass: Gold

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    Check out Umeda in Osaka, especially the windows of Hankyu department store.
    I happened to visit USJ on xmas day last year.
    They had christmas tunes playing... the younger Japanese were dressed up in xmas costumes and having a jolly old time.
    So, nope, they don't celebrate the religious holiday but they know know to enjoy themselves.
     
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  5. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    That was still occuring on the 10th January at USJ....
    endless carols and santas everywhere...
     
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  6. Sandy

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    This is fairly typical.... Japanese people "do" festivals.
    As soon as the summer finishes, the Halloween stuff comes out. Then the day after Halloween, the Christmas stuff comes out. As soon as Christmas is over (usually the end of the weekend after), the New Year stuff comes out.
    Christmas tunes do play, but it's usually "Jingle Bells", "Merry Christmas", "All I want for Christmas", but very few of the religious ones.
    USJ is different because it's American, and they tease it out.
     
  7. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Due to the international flavour of Niseko there is a lot of Christmas atmosphere around if thats and what you were after.

    Also more chance of decent snow than Honshu in December, although still no guarantee.
     
  8. Sandy

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    Just to clarify Christmas in Japan, it's not a public holiday, and most people don't even notice the day.
    So it's Halloween in that respect..... decorations without any cultural significance.
     
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    Sbooker One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks. I thought as much. Christmas has no religious significance to my family but my wife and kids find it a nice time of year and enjoy Christmas atmosphere. Just getting ideas should we be able to travel. I'm assuming it will be more likely that we can travel to Japan than the US for example.:D
     
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  10. ojisan

    ojisan station master Ski Pass: Gold

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    I would love to be in the thick of the Halloween festivities in Shibuya....
    I've seen videos/photos and it looks awesome
     
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  11. Donzah

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    The ones in USJ look creepy AF
    The march of the zombies.!
     
  12. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I saw ANA was $880 return early Jan ex Sydney.
    Leaving at 1pm sydney time. Arriving Haneda at 8.30pm
     
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  13. ojisan

    ojisan station master Ski Pass: Gold

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    ANA doing days flight out of sydney..? I guess the cost of parking the plane at sydney airport for 12 hours was adding up.
     
  14. Donzah

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    Two flights a day now.
     
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  15. ojisan

    ojisan station master Ski Pass: Gold

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    wow.... I guess that is in response to the Japanese government drive for the tourist dollar
     
  16. Donzah

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    It all happened before the Covid.
    They got a extra slot at Haneda I think.
    So day flight over and back...
    Or night flight over and night flight back.
    The night flights are $250-300 dearer return.

    I'd do the double day flight in a heartbeat.
     
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  17. Donzah

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    ojisan station master Ski Pass: Gold

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    I just did a quick flight check threw in some random dates... 2 adults, 2 kids.. total is just over $3,100.
    I must tell the wifey.
     
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    Booked for mid feb 2021 back before Covid blew up, hopefully things settle down by then.
     
  20. Sandy

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    With the uncertainty about flights etc, I was thinking that maybe we can have a Japan flights thread, since it's much more critical next season.
    Thoughts, or just continue to have it in here?
     
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  21. ojisan

    ojisan station master Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think a seperate thread is good...
     
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  22. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Separate thread would be good
     
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  23. Froff Life

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    Another thread sounds good Sandy, pls post the link here when it's live
     
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    Not sure where to post as both Covid and travel related but I'll put it here. Big news in Hokkaido over last two nights is about the future of the Sapporo "Yuki Matsuri". The snow and ice festival, big tourist drawcard, has gone on for many many winters. They cant get a sponsor for 2021 and are now talking about a very scaled down, back street sort of deal, just for the locals. According to this news, an estimated 200,000 Chinese visited the festival in the winter just gone. As an aside, many locals blame this event and the Chinese tourists that came to visit it in February, for the start of the virus outbreaks in Hokkaido. The vibe coming from this announcement is, of course, that the local officials don't expect foreign tourists in Hokkaido in February 2021!
     
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  26. LMB

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    Which is what the initial email we got from HTM said. However the follow up email last week was more positive, leading me to searching out flights.

    Who infected who?
    Ok so China was the ground zero (we think) and lots of Chinese came to Hokkaido. But lots of Chinese came to Australia until they were restricted too - and our infections came mainly from USA, Europe, UK and Cruise Ships. There were plenty of all of these, except the cruise ships, up in Hokkaido this past season. Who knows where the cases came from. Maybe Japanese nationals who had travelled to one of these places on business brought it back in...

    I do worry about future xenophobia in Japan, it would not take much for widespread distrust and disdain for one or more ethnic groups to take hold.
     
  27. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    mmm future? Try wandering around with a chinese person. To be honest at times I have been shocked by some of the open racism in Japan.
     
  28. LMB

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    That’s what I mean.
    It’s pretty brutal at times now, given a “reason” it could become more than polite racism.
     
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    Question is with our Tourism Minister saying no overseas travel until at leat the new year...............?
    I think that is a worst case, but with new outbreaks in china etc it is a concern @skichanger :(
     
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  30. skichanger

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    Unfortunately completely out of our control. All we can do is be adaptable and ready to go when things open up. It will really peeve me if they start letting students in but won't let us out.
     
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    Yes, especially when you’re ok with quarantine on return...
     
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    I’m still holding out hope I’ll be able to travel overseas next year. It was originally meant to be further afield to Europe, US or Canada but at this rate getting a Japan ski trip will be a win.
     
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