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Japan 2020 / 2021 snow season planning

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Snowwww, Apr 4, 2020.

  1. mannyk

    mannyk One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep Im being positive and its good as you say to have something to look forward to, hope and dreams are free.
    A time will come when common sense prevails and the world starts to spin again. :thumbs:
     
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  2. mannyk

    mannyk One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    That would be fantastic..4th to the 11th..definitely owe you a beer or 2.
     
  3. elSpike

    elSpike I am a Meat Popsicle Ski Pass: Gold

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    Weren't you at Shiga most weekends this year Sandy?

    Can recommend Sandy as a ski buddy, tour guide, lunch companion and all round good guy.
     
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  4. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    From mid Feb to mid March.... I don't think I missed one.
     
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  5. Froff Life

    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Jealous!
     
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  6. PMG

    PMG One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Can only speak for myself. Yes.
     
  7. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    I was initially so optimistic of a bubble between Japan and Aus and planning on Jan/Feb/March.

    Im now hoping for March with about as much confidence as I have in my hope to win tonight’s 40mill jackpot.
     
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  8. bullet

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    I got an email from Qantas today out of the blue, with my flight itinerary again, ticketed and confirmed dated 10/9/2020.(today) (it was booked in February)
    Our flights are on JAL SYD to HND out Dec 28 and back Feb 7.

    Any idea why i would have received this today? Does it mean anything?
    Why would they feel the need to resend this info?
    I was more awaiting/expecting the cancellation email but i haven't got that yet.

    *note, I have now received another email after the first one explaining it was because of arrival time change of 10 minutes
     
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  9. Sage Oya

    Sage Oya Like the herb, lover of Pabst, cup ramen devotee Ski Pass: Gold

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    Got one too, our flight over was adjusted by about 5-10 mins for take off i think. Only glanced at it cause im confident it wont happen.
     
  10. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I received a status point update today. It might just be the day their system sends stuff out.
     
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  11. expatgm

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    I've got a credit from airnz good till 31/12/2021 for my cancelled trip zqn-> nrt return.
    Don't see any possibility of something like normalcy returning till 2022 at this time.
     
  12. usedtacould

    usedtacould Hard Yards

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    got mine three weeks ago my JAL flight HND to Chitose had changed by 5 minutes, next day i got a confirmation email. flying qantas Feb 25 and March 18, i am not so doom and gloom. but just being positive,
     
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  13. Medicine_Shoes

    Medicine_Shoes Hard Yards

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    This section of the forums is usually heaving at this time of year. It's sad to see it so quiet
     
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  14. M_G

    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    Try looking at my email inbox...
     
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  15. TeePee

    TeePee First Runs

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    Glimmers of hope... opening to students and business folk. Might sign up for a 3 month japanese course in a snow zone starting Jan?! https://www.thejakartapost.com/trav...9-entry-curbs-but-not-for-tourists-asahi.html
     
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  16. mannyk

    mannyk One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    ratherb@thesnow Hard Yards

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  18. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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  19. Nozawaman

    Nozawaman A Local

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    Slowman One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Kyoto News has just posted some information about Niseko for the 20/21 season.

    Hirafu to open 5 December. Expects visitor numbers to fall to only 20 to 30% of the usual. Reducing staff from 500 to 300. Operating 7 out of 12 lifts. Halving number of open restaurants and halving size of nighttime piste area.

    Moiwa to open 19 December. Reducing season pass to half price or less to attract domestic customers.

    Hanazono to open 5 December. Reducing staff from 250 to less than 150.

    Niseko Village to open 1 December.

    Annupuri to open 28 November. Keeping staff at usual levels as apparently 60 % of its customers are domestic.

    If you can actually get up to Hokkaido this winter there could be lots of lift served fresh tracks on offer.
     
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  21. Lucky Pete

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    Wow I thought Niseko was way more dominated by inbound tourism which wont happen. If so, not sure how they could forcast only a 30% fall in numbers.
     
  22. Sandy

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    It says: "Expects visitor numbers to fall to only 20 to 30% of the usual."
    That's a DROP of 70-80%.
     
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    Doh, should have had my glasses on :)
     
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    Lord Back Country Hard Yards

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  25. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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  26. Froff Life

    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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  27. Nozawaman

    Nozawaman A Local

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    The big problem is getting back to Australia.
    I think I could get an exemption , but then add in $3000 for quarantine , then there is no guarantee that I can get a flight back unless full fare business or first , so it could cost me nearly $20K to get home !!!!!
     
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  28. snowgum

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    Forgetting being allowed to travel for a sec, insurance (& costs) of both - I’d be very interested to know of the general cost pp/ per cpl of staying in the resorts mentioned.

    FWIW: In Feb this year, I stayed at lodge In Hakuba our club was leasing. It was very good value and overall, very handy to Happo and the bus to other main Hakuba Valley resorts.

    But I see and hear (to a degree) that accommodation costs have risen a lot in recent years - partly due to the $Oz and partly local factors.

    So while discussing bubbles and resort prospects, thinking out aloud here, it would great if anyone experienced here could share (if not hot value individual places to stay), some general tips on value, ie. time of year, type of venue, the resort, (& Honshu vs Hokkaido) and if any digs are Especially suitable ($) for single travellers?

    PS: a lot of resort areas on the outside at least look pretty exi and prohibitive on a budget coming from a ‘molly-coddled’ club lodge environment and budget? And for older people Dorms aren’t really that inviting any more. (;-)

    Cheers in advance.
     
  29. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Hokkaido is more expensive than central Japan.

    There are good deals around, but cheaper with twin share.

    However, Shiga Kogen offers some good value for singles. Villa Ichinose offers 5200yen/night ($69 with breakfast) for a single, midweek. I suspect these are COVID discounts for the coming season, as this is usually 8000yen.($107)
     
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  30. Goski

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    Niseko Hirafu in 2013: bed in a quad share room in a small Australian - owned lodge with a cooked western breakfast for $65 AUD. It was up to $100 a couple of years ago when I enquired about prices.
    Nozawa Onsen in 2018: $90 for a room as a single inc. Japanese breakfast in a small busy Ryokan run by Japanese owners.
    $60 for the same at a Naeba Ryokan in early Feb 2018 but I got a discount via a friend...and I was one of only 3 guests.
    Most other places in Nozawa Onsen were more expensive. Shared rooms weren't much cheaper than what I paid. I think Aussie-run accom targetting westerners tends to be more expensive. We're used to paying a lot for a bed in Oz ski resorts.
    Anyone else with more examples?
     
  31. Goski

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    The AUD got 84 yen in 2018. Low 70s now. That and increasing demand have increased prices. For people living in Japan like @Sandy it could be a significantly cheaper and uncrowded season in 2021.
     
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  32. M_G

    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    I help a Japanese friend in (ski in hotel in central Akakura) with his bookings and you can get a single Japanese room there for 8,000-9,000 a night. Perfect for singles or groups with some people who want single rooms (or who snore a lot! :eek:).
     
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  33. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    For the ability to go I’d commit to 3 months, 14 days quarantine both ends, sticks up the nose to test for virus at multiple points, business class fares and lots of very deep bowing.

    The kicker is the return flight guarantee. I’m not sure if I’d risk going if Australia was still playing silly buggers with caps and no guarantee a booked flight will be permitted to land.
     
  34. snowgum

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    Thanks M_G: that looks and sounds pretty good and the rates not bad AFAIKT.

    FWIW: I’ve done my share of hostels in 3 continents but now in my 50s, undisturbed sleep is gold these days. Even more so if I (Unfortunately) have to ski Without my family on occasions (likely for Japan).
     
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  35. M_G

    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    No worries. If you're ever wanting more info/to book just send me a PM or hit me up via the contact link attached to the linked page. Cheers.
     
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  36. snowgum

    snowgum One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks Sandy that’s a good rate even for midweek - I seem to to recall for Feb this year it was hard to crack to $100 AU p.n rate solo. And Naturally good to try somewhere very different to Hakuba - and lots of daily shuttle buses. (Good snow)

    But the logistics will be tricky this (northern) winter - I suspect like a Goski I’ll be jealously hearing of your tails of bottomless POW - without the crowds?

    I’d love to get to Hokkaido some day - the combo of ‘some’ mellow BC (plus lifts), great snow into Spring is appealing - it could(?) also in well if Mrs SG wants to ski then witness the Cherry Blossoms in Tokyo/Kyoto etc... Where as We know, Honshu snow could wane well before the bloom. (One year?)
     
  37. snowgum

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    Cheers, appreciated. Myoko seems to rate quite well and has the bullet not so far away? Is March fairly easy to book BTW? Or easier than Say Jan Oz Schl hols? / CNY etc...? Ta. :thumbs:
     
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  38. Snowwww

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    I was in Niseko Hirafu by myself from 4/12 to 15/12 and than went to stay in Otaru and day tripped to Kiroro for one day, trained to Sapporo Teine next morning and stayed in Sapporo the last night.

    I went back to Hirafu in March and spent 4days in the same place then went to Furano for 4abd 1/2 day.

    I have compared every resort and places I stayed at in a excel spreadsheet and hours I skied each day. My cost per hour on the slops were the cheapest when I was in Hirafu. Mainly because the accommodation was 6,400yen/night, I cooked most of meals there, I could ski, comeback have a sleep, go back up, and have dinner, and go back up for night skiing particularly in March.

    I also made great friends there with people working in the lodge and they took me to harder runs that my beginner level instructors wouldnt take me to.. (maybe that wasn’t a good idea)

    the place I stayed at was Owashi Lodge.

    but apparently they have changed owners I think.
     
  39. Sandy

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    I've noticed at this early stage, that many hotels are only offering accommodation on the weekends ONLY. Or only offering a minimum of two nights.
    BTW, Owashi Lodge is bunk bed dorm accommodation and offering a minimum of two nights. (e.g. 13,800yen for two nights, which is ~$92/night)
     
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    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Another point for budget conscious are lift ticket prices.
    - 8100yen/day at Niseko United ($108)
    - 6600yen/day Hakuba Valley ($88, however, individual coupon tickets for example, last season, Snownavi for Hakuba 47: 3700yen/$49)
    (See the coupons thread)
     
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    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    [1] Yes, 40 minutes by local train
    [2] Yes, don't need to book that far ahead
    [3] If you want January best to book well in advance. February not so bad.

    Depends on how good snow you want. The blossoms are finished long before the snow (early May for last lifts). Takada Park (about 45 minutes by train) blooms in late March. I've skied powder in March/April + also seen snow on the blossoms. So you can do both easily. Depends on your priorities - hope for powder but don't expect it. If you miss Tokyo blossoms there will be plenty of other places.
     
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    If you avoid the more 'westernised' resorts prices drop significantly and skiing in Japan can be very inexpensive. Yes you will have to sleep on tatami, learn a few more Japanese phrases and order a few mystery items off the menu. But that is part of the the experience I love!
     
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    That local train is so pretty.
     
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    To be clear, I mean the view. The train itself is remarkably functional ;-)
     
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    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    'Unremarkably' functional I'd say.
     
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    I have places at Akakura and Madarao where we offer single guests reasonable rates. Send me PM if you are interested and I will send you some details.

    I also have some contacts with places at Yuzawa. Not sure what they are doing this season but if there is interest I can find out.
     
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    Yes Owashi has changed hands. I am friends with a few of the previous owners. Big effort for them to get packed up and out and then back to Aus. New owners are Oz Snow. Not sure if the Japanese manager stayed or moved on. But I would expect it to be different now.
     
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    Thanks skichanger I might do that. Given Covid and my recent first trip (Feb 20’), I’d like to do a long fun period of planning before hopefully heading over for early 2022’.

    I have some friends in a similar boat and at a push it would be great to bring family and look at the next size up in rooms. (And plentiful green/blue runs for same).
     
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    At the time when I was there they are saying the Japanese manager will move on. I really enjoyed the time when I was there they did such a good job!

    Lucky I got to stay there before they change it I guess.
     

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