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Japan 2020 - planning and stuff.

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Donzah, Feb 27, 2019.

  1. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Can't say I fly this close to new years usually.

    However i'm liking some Cathay flights for $1040 (Early jan- return Australia day)

    Ex Sydney to HK - 3 nights stay
    HK to Hnd Tokyo
    Tokyo to HK on JAL (CX code share)
    HK to Syd.

    Looking at 24 days or so.

    Bit out of the loop for a early Jan departure. However I think thats a pretty good deal.
     
  2. bluestick

    bluestick One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Bit tragic I know, but already looking at 2020. As we are so close to ool it’s hard to look anywhere else but j*. No flights yet for returning mid feb but ool to nrt has $299 + $25 for ski + $45 for bags = $ 370 ow is ok even if it’s crap star. I will wait though. Still weighing up Hokkaido v N Honshu.
     
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  3. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ironically . I started the last years thread at exactly the same date.
    Alas . $$ and injury put paid to those ideas.
    This year. I'm keen on throwing down on some airfares and working the rest out as I go
     
  4. Crispy013

    Crispy013 One of Us

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    We’re contemplating Christmas and NY in Hakuba. My family and my wife’s family all keen to get together at this time.

    Ideally I’d like to be there late Jan, but alas, a Japan trip is a Japan trip.

    I’m seeing some reasonable flights at this stage at this peak travel period from EVA airlines. $950 pp. Not too shabby. Just playing around with inward and outward airports.
     
  5. ojisan

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    I will be in Japan next year for sure... thinking xmas day departure & returning around oz day.
     
  6. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    On the Eva site?
     
  7. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Depending how you choose your flights, you can arrive in HK in the morning (7-8am), and fly out in the afternoon( 4pm or later), and spend the day in HK, with your bags checked all the way through to Japan.
    .... Just go out with your carry on. About 20min into city via train.
     
  8. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    We'd like to see a bit more of HK. Been years since I last went.
     
  9. Crispy013

    Crispy013 One of Us

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    Yep...well, I was finding them last weekend during some rough investigating of dates.

    Eco special price.
     
  10. smackies

    smackies A Local

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    Early planning is early.
     
  11. JoeKing

    JoeKing Old n' Thrusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    neva 2 early
     
  12. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    @smackies has never booked a trip before December
     
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  13. nanami_JS

    nanami_JS Early Days

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    Planning now too. Not sure about snow quality around Xmas/NY though coz I have never been to Japan so early in the season. Thoughts?
     
  14. Lucky Pete

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    Xmas/NY you SHOULD be fine but its the weather so who knows.

    Many places in Hakuba have substantial bookings for next season already. Already having to turn a couple requests down so never too early :( :( .
     
  15. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Where in Japan?
    The snow quality around Xmas/NY should be ok, but the amount is sometimes questionable. If you want to ride powder, you can't expect it to be deep enough to cover obstacles in off piste areas by then (particularly in central Japan).
     
  16. Tonester

    Tonester Lift Line Nazi Ski Pass: Gold

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    Irony or coincidence? ;)
     
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  17. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I told Nick i'm coming over...i'm not sure he believes me
     
  18. nanami_JS

    nanami_JS Early Days

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    Thanks Sandy! Thinking of Appi / Geto Kogen, or based in Otaru to check out nearby ski resorts, or based in Asahidake to check out Furano and nearby area
    Reckon Xmas / NY will be good by then? Hubby likes to chase powder, I prefer groomed runs
     
  19. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Hopefully it will be good by November .

    Its time we had a "earlier" stronger season
     
  20. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    It’s crap shoot. Could be epic and quiet. Could be struggling.
    Last season says hello
     
  21. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep that started a month early and also finished a month early...
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes it did. But suited me. Epic November/December was ALL THE POW for LMB and PB
     
  23. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    2017/2018 was ridiculously awesome a month before most of the Aussies arrived!!!!
     
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    hatto One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    How is tohoku early Jan?
     
  25. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Should be ok.... There are a lot of westerly winds early season, and Tohoku gets good snow on a westerly.
     
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    hatto One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Cheers Sandy.
    Looks like I have a Jan trip for 2020 instead of jan/feb so thinking north for part of the trip before back to Noz
     
  27. Froff Life

    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'd go Otaru (skiing Teine, Kokusai, Kiroro etc) or Asahikawa (skiing Pippu, Kamaui etc) as Hokkaido is more snow sure early season.
     
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  28. elSpike

    elSpike I am a Meat Popsicle Ski Pass: Gold

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    After the epic 3 trip season we are probably going to pull back on the reigns and only do two for the 19/20 season.
    Flights booked Dec 28-Jan 16. Just deciding where to go. Probably Shiga for first half and then maybe Myoko or somewhere more further afield like Zao for the second. We are happy to have a full transit day to get us somewhere interesting for the last 6-7 days.
     
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    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Zao is large enough for 4-5 days exploring and skiing IMO. Lot's of good restaurants and onsens in town for a week or so too.
     
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    elSpike I am a Meat Popsicle Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sounds good @Froff Life. I’ll do my own research but any recommendations for accom in the village? Looking for more Ryokan than big hotel.
     
  31. NoSkillWill

    NoSkillWill Hard Yards

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    Hi All,

    I am trying to put together my first international ski trip and looking for some serious advice. If I am hijacking the thread too much please feel free to say so.

    Currently have a Hero pass for the 2019 season and the EPIC deal has me interested in Japan 2020. Currently an Inter/Adv level skier but hopefully by 2020 I'll be in the adv category. If the deal goes through, EPIC offers 5 days at Hakuba and 5 days at Rusutsu. If I was to plan a 2 week trip would these two resorts be a good use of time? Should I spend more than 5 days at either resort?

    If the deal doesn't go through I'll be very flexible but am pretty interested in giving Niseko a go.

    I am flexible with dates but early Jan makes the most sense due to Christmas shutdowns at work.

    Would love some ski-in/out accom. Does anyone have recommendations about where best to look online for accom?

    Cheers for the help!

    Edit: Hakuba not Hokkaido!
     
  32. JoeKing

    JoeKing Old n' Thrusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sounds good to me. For the win, make sure the five days are week days, rest and travel on the weekend.
     
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    JoeKing Old n' Thrusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Still good. Think about aiming towards mid Jan rather than early Jan.
     
  34. NoSkillWill

    NoSkillWill Hard Yards

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    Yeah, just researching accom quite a few places are already booked out!
     
  35. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Often, Japanese places do not take booking until 3 months before, so they will look like they are already booked out.

    You also have to look at why you are Hero or Epic passes.

    The lift tickets are cheap in Japan, so if you are buying Hero or Epic passes just to get 5 days lift passes, then it may be false economy.
    Also, at Hakuba, there are 9 mountains (some paired), so you have more than 5 days of choices.
    e.g. You can get Hakuba lift passes for some of the mountains for as little as $50 a day. (max $65 for Happo)

    Niseko lifts are more expensive (about $80)
     
  36. Rush

    Rush Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Kids already want to go back next year, wife and I just laugh at them.

    Next time we go I want to spend a few days backcountry skiing the big mountains in Hakuba. Then we'll go back to Nozawa Onsen.
     
  37. Vermillion

    Vermillion Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Maronouchi is very close and more ryokan than hotel. I have stayed there. Another place I stayed was Lodge Scole, which was also good (and good breakfast).
     
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    Zao is awesome! Hubby and I spent 5 days there last Feb during CNY (we live in Singapore as well). Amazing scenery, but a lot colder than Nagano / Niigata. Shinkansen from Tokyo to Yamagata, and then bus to Zao Onsen. Probably best to get the reserve seats on Shinkansen coz the train will separate into 2 directions half way, one goes to Sendai and the other one goes to Yamagata. The bus from Yamagata takes approx an hour and it can get busy very easily. The bus terminal is probably 10-15 mins uphill hike to the village, some hotels/pensions provide free pick-up from the bus terminal.
     
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    Vermillion Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    So at this stage the plan is to look at booking something for Japan 2020, the whole fam bam. If this goes ahead i'll be unable to get out of a week in Hakuba, so that will be locked in, then probably 2 weeks based in the Fukushima area but with day and overnight trips up north as required, with a couple of days visiting old haunts. This will be a different one for me, 6 adults, 2 kids (1 x 3yo, 1 x 1yo) so we'll be a multiple-car affair, which is good and bad. Thoughts/experiences on baby seats/capsule hire in Japan? Our plan would be to hire a house in the Hakuba area (not too fussed which side we are on) and then another house most likely in Aizuwakamatsu, or back on the eastern side of the mountains in Tochigi/Fukushima. Nanny service in Hakuba wouldnt be too much of an issue I wouldnt think, maybe more of a challenge in Fukushima though. At this stage im not getting too excited as it's only a maybe trip, but this is the plan.
     
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    Glad to hear you enjoyed it. My favourite thing about Zao is the onsen you have at the awesome ryokan on the main road just before you leave the place. The skiing and mountain itself does not really excite, and I have been there 3 times and witnessed all conditions (lots of fog, absolute bluebird and pouring rain) and even in bluebird fresh snow I dont really have fond memories of the place. The village is very drab and dreary, not like a nozawa etc.
     
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  41. NoSkillWill

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    Yeah that's a good point. I was on the hero just as it was the falls/hotham ticket. Upgrading to EPIC seems like a no brainer if I am going to ski overseas but I will look into the perks of each more closely.
     
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    We stayed at a small family run Ryokan called Boku-No-Uchi. Location was unbeatable, directly across the road from the middle gondola and the conbini. Rooms were really cheap and included breaky, but the place was a little run down.

    Our friends stayed at Yoshidaya Ryokan, a bit more upmarket and a nice in-house onsen in the basement. 5-10 min walk uphill to the left hand gondola. PM me if you need anymore info :)
     
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  43. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Google flights has some Singapore airlines flights for $890 for early Jan.
    Syd-Sing-Tokyo
    Goto site to book.
    Nup. Not showing
    peed off
     
  44. M_G

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    Sounds too cheap for SIA
     
  45. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    That's what I thought.
    The seven hours in changi was the bummer.
    Shitty algorithms.

    I'm seeing $1164 on JAL. $1000 on Cathay
     
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    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    Better 7 hours in Changi than 4 hours anywhere else! ;)
     
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    I wrote this on another thread too, but it's a 2020 planning thingy, so I'll write here too.

    Fuji Dream Airline have announced they will make all domestic flights 9,800 Yen for foreign tourists. It was reported last week that the period is between this March and October 26th, but today, it's reported that they are planning to extend it. So it's very likely that you can use it throughout next ski season. FDA has flights between Nagano and Hokkaido as well, and it's also 9,800 Yen for foreign tourists. Nagano to Hokkaido = 9,800 Yen is quite reasonable, I think. I think not many people are willing to ski both in Honshu and Hokkaido in one ski trip, though.

    The link : https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXMZO42006780U9A300C1L61000/
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Make the epic pass Hakuba /Rusutsu tie in work much better.
    Considering the cost of going back to Haneda or Narita would be close to 9800 yen regardless.
    I'd fly into Tokyo. Then Asuza to Matsumoto.
    Hire car Matsumoto...
    Then back to Matsumoto to fly to Chitose.
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Funny.
    Saw JAL today syd /tokyo/ Melbourne/sydney. Last leg QF domestic.

    $953
    8th Jan /26th Jan.

    Not for me. ..But that's cheap
     
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