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will stay at the yuzawa grand next to the station has one of the best onsen selections i have seen in japan

looking to hire a car, though last time we just used the train and shuttle busses which worked pretty well
Any further info on using the shuttle buses and trains to get to and from the resorts?

We will try and avoid hiring a car if we can but I want to make sure the public transport options to the resorts are earlier enough to make a good powder day and frequent enough that you can have some flexibility as to when you can return back to the city.
 
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Any further info on using the shuttle buses and trains to get to and from the resorts?

We will try and avoid hiring a car if we can but I want to make sure the public transport options to the resorts are earlier enough to make a good powder day and frequent enough that you can have some flexibility as to when you can return back to the city.

Any further info on using the shuttle buses and trains to get to and from the resorts?

We will try and avoid hiring a car if we can but I want to make sure the public transport options to the resorts are earlier enough to make a good powder day and frequent enough that you can have some flexibility as to when you can return back to the city.
Heres a couple of bus time tables, one from our 2020 trip, might give you a idea.. The Ishiuchi table is a free shuttle from the station, the other one is public bus to station from Naeba.

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Public buses should run, not sure about shuttles. If the shuttles are in place mainly to service inbound guests (like Myoko) then they won't run unless they get plenty of notice that Japan will open for this season.

Nagano Snow Shuttle are holding off from taking bookings until they see that crack of sunshine.
 

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Any further info on using the shuttle buses and trains to get to and from the resorts?

We will try and avoid hiring a car if we can but I want to make sure the public transport options to the resorts are earlier enough to make a good powder day and frequent enough that you can have some flexibility as to when you can return back to the city.
its super easy there is a spot in the car park of the train station where they all leave in the morning, they all have a sign of their respective resorts on them, also easy timetables etc
 

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Public buses should run, not sure about shuttles. If the shuttles are in place mainly to service inbound guests (like Myoko) then they won't run unless they get plenty of notice that Japan will open for this season.

Nagano Snow Shuttle are holding off from taking bookings until they see that crack of sunshine.
Wise move.

Our policy is similar. We will pencil in people who contact us directly. Deposit is due once we know people can actually get here.

Not going down the path of having my reputation damaged by issues with money for bookings people cannot make.

Really important to check refund policies if you are paying any money.
 

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Wise move.

Our policy is similar. We will pencil in people who contact us directly. Deposit is due once we know people can actually get here.

Not going down the path of having my reputation damaged by issues with money for bookings people cannot make.

Really important to check refund policies if you are paying any money.
Good on you.

That's a solid response.

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem consistent with other booking companies.
 

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Good on you.

That's a solid response.

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem consistent with other booking companies.
Having seen all the issues with the 2020 and 2021 seasons in Aus from an accomodation providors point of view, just to difficult to take people's money till you know people can stay. From a guests point of view, there are some arseholes out there who will take your money, get gov subsidies for their losses and refuse to give you any money back.

And if I take bookings on airbnb if I cancel more than 1 I am fined. If I cancel 4 I am delisted. The others would be similar or I have to pay the commission or... some other irrational, unreasonable penalty.
 
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We are the same, no payments until the announcement borders are reopening then we will be taking the deposits and remaining payments later in the year which is only fair with the lack of certainty currently. TBH returning money is a PITA and expensive plus there is the risk of changes in currency exchange rates and bank fees both of which the guests would be exposed to as we work in yen. Would rather not put ourselves nor our guests through that.

Several operators dont have the same policy so please check before booking and making payments.
 

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The government has confirmed that the domestic tourism support program will be delayed because of the current Covid wave. It was supposed to start in the first half of July. So it will probably be a while before any announcement on international tourism.

NHK (Japanese)
 

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Disappointing news, we have flights booked for mid January but I’m pretty much ready to cancel and look for a plan B (Europe or Canada at this stage).
 

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76k cases a day.
In summer.

Imagine what its going to be like in winter...

Think about that when you consider Japan's response to tourism.
Yet bugger all deaths. That is no longer going unnoticed. The feeling on the ground here with all I talk to from my 76 year old mother in law and her friends to the young folks is enough is enough and its time to get on with our lives and open the borders - like every other developed nation on the planet.

With GoTo getting delayed again this week, a travel program which has helped carry many of us the last two green seasons, we now expect significant bankrupcies if that doesnt fire up and borders dont open. Its about to get 'real' for many folks.

Its incredibly frustrating now that Japan is the last hold out when all the other developed nations can manage high infection rates and be open. We were willing to suffer significant economic duress for the greater good but clearly we are now suffering for no real reason, hopefully we can all hang on.
 
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An interesting development for re-entry to Japan.
Provided you have completed "fast track" in the MYSOS app , including uploading vax cert and test result form, and your MYSOS result is BLUE, you NO LONGER have to do a TEST ON ENTRY TO JAPAN!!!!!!!
This is one of the last hurdles for normal entry to Japan.
 

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An interesting development for re-entry to Japan.
Provided you have completed "fast track" in the MYSOS app , including uploading vax cert and test result form, and your MYSOS result is BLUE, you NO LONGER have to do a TEST ON ENTRY TO JAPAN!!!!!!!
This is one of the last hurdles for normal entry to Japan.
It has been like that for a while.
 
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Yep when I came through 2 weeks ago no test on arrival. Only pre-flight. Was out of Haneda in roughly 30mins although did about 20,000 steps and have my status checked in excess of 20 times, OIJ. In addition you no longer have to prove you have been vaccinated either for blue countries.

Was out last night at a party to watch the rugby and as time flys by many operators here are becoming increasingly pessimestic about this season. Im still in the camp that we'll see an announcement soon. Some of the boys are starting the onerous process of setting up to do group tours as a fall back position.
 

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Yep when I came through 2 weeks ago no test on arrival. Only pre-flight. Was out of Haneda in roughly 30mins although did about 20,000 steps and have my status checked in excess of 20 times, OIJ. In addition you no longer have to prove you have been vaccinated either for blue countries.
I pretty much just had my status checked once. Just flash & scan the blue result MYSOS & QRcode + passport and that was it.
 

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Yep when I came through 2 weeks ago no test on arrival. Only pre-flight. Was out of Haneda in roughly 30mins although did about 20,000 steps and have my status checked in excess of 20 times, OIJ. In addition you no longer have to prove you have been vaccinated either for blue countries.

Was out last night at a party to watch the rugby and as time flys by many operators here are becoming increasingly pessimestic about this season. Im still in the camp that we'll see an announcement soon. Some of the boys are starting the onerous process of setting up to do group tours as a fall back position.
I’m liking the sound of that, plan B will be to do a tour if that’s the only option. Could be some great opportunities for some enterprising people
 

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Was out last night at a party to watch the rugby and as time flys by many operators here are becoming increasingly pessimestic about this season. Im still in the camp that we'll see an announcement soon. Some of the boys are starting the onerous process of setting up to do group tours as a fall back position.
I could just picture Pete skiing around with a red flag saying "follow me". ( he he..who likes moguls? ) Must admit, the bad side of me would cause chaos.
On a serious note, i would imagine getting a permit to do tours would entail jumping through heaps of hoops. Good luck.
 
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Considering that tours ex Australia to Japan are roughly a grand a day at the moment...
Due to all the extra costs involved.
Can't imagine any one jumping at those.


Japan is a having a solid wave of covid at the moment -110k cases a day. Will need to subside right down before any decision re the modification of entry laws will be made. Imo.
 
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Japan is a having a solid wave of covid at the moment -110k cases a day. Will need to subside right down before any decision re the modification of entry laws will be made. Imo.
Strangely, that sort of figure should make it EASIER for Japan to open borders because tourists make less difference to the proportion of COVID brought in!!!! ;)
 

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Strangely, that sort of figure should make it EASIER for Japan to open borders because tourists make less difference to the proportion of COVID brought in!!!! ;)
You are expecting them to be rational. After my recent expereince at a bank .... what rational behaviour in Japan? And we are back to being the great unwashed and unwanted by some. Thankfully the locals who actually know some westerners have a different attitude and want us here.
 

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You are expecting them to be rational. After my recent expereince at a bank .... what rational behaviour in Japan? And we are back to being the great unwashed and unwanted by some. Thankfully the locals who actually know some westerners have a different attitude and want us here.
Oh No !!!!!!
Didn't THEY know who THEY were talking to ?
THEY obviously didn't recognise you , otherwise They would have done exactly what you wanted immediately .
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Considering that tours ex Australia to Japan are roughly a grand a day at the moment...
Due to all the extra costs involved.
Can't imagine any one jumping at those.


Japan is a having a solid wave of covid at the moment -110k cases a day. Will need to subside right down before any decision re the modification of entry laws will be made. Imo.
There's a few options popping up for a lot less than that. I would think that i would be spending about $2500 if i was organising myself to do something similar to this type of tour, maybe a bit under if i was just using 5 hour lift tickets and a lower standard of accommodation.

If this is the only option then id happily go with a tour similar to this.

I would have thought if a lodge owner was able to get a tour licence then this type of option would get your lodges filled.
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There's a few options popping up for a lot less than that. I would think that i would be spending about $2500 if i was organising myself to do something similar to this type of tour, maybe a bit under if i was just using 5 hour lift tickets and a lower standard of accommodation.

If this is the only option then id happily go with a tour similar to this.

I would have thought if a lodge owner was able to get a tour licence then this type of option would get your lodges filled.
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Fully "transferable " lol

Who is this with?
 

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That was with White Room Tours but there are a few others advertising tours, like Mint Tours, Japan Package, Japan Holidays, snowpak.com.au...
Yeah but are they all approved? I've seen them and they all seem speculation at best.

Its my understanding the ministry in Japan has approved absolutely sweet fa international tours at this stage .
 
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Fully "transferable " lol

Who is this with?
This will be our Plan B I feel.......just thinking out aloud but if we can enter Japan on a tour such as this, then what happens do we need to leave the country on completion of the tour or can we then wander off and do something else............like hire a guide for a 14 day onsen tour of Nozawa....

 

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The idea of a tour really doesn’t excite me that much. I have flights booked and I’m spending 17 nights in Japan, I may only ski 10 days as I like to explore when I travel and definitely will want non ski days, in Tokyo etc. Although being part of a tour for the skiing days may be ok (if the price was right), I have zero interest in being part of a tour off mountain.
 
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The idea of a tour really doesn’t excite me that much. I have flights booked and I’m spending 17 nights in Japan, I may only ski 10 days as I like to explore when I travel and definitely will want non ski days, in Tokyo etc. Although being part of a tour for the skiing days may be ok (if the price was right), I have zero interest in being part of a tour off mountain.
Under the current rules re tours. Skiing is impossible.

ie you can only use a gondola under supervision from a tour guide. They will have to escort you on said gondola. Mandatory.

Which gondola you use, at what time and where you sat in that gondola. Has to be noted.
 

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Funny you mention that. There are only 3 countries where you currently must be in a fully escorted group with difficult visa entry requirements. China, North Kore and .......
It really does boggle the mind
 

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It really does boggle the mind
Have a read of this...

 
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Have a read of this...

My god, you would have to be desperate. Wonder how many people are taking these tours up?
Meanwhile, local infections there are averaging about 80,000 per day.
 

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My god, you would have to be desperate. Wonder how many people are taking these tours up?
Meanwhile, local infections there are averaging about 80,000 per day.

The Minister of Land, Infrastructure, Transport, and Tourism, Wada Kouichi, stated there had only been 1300 entry visa requests for travel purposes in Japan as of 15 June 2022. This is despite Japan having its lowest exchange rate in 24 years (136 yen to US$1). Indeed, Japan’s current border rules for foreign tourists are the most restrictive in Asia with the exception of China.
 
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The Minister of Land, Infrastructure, Transport, and Tourism, Wada Kouichi, stated there had only been 1300 entry visa requests for travel purposes in Japan as of 15 June 2022. This is despite Japan having its lowest exchange rate in 24 years (136 yen to US$1). Indeed, Japan’s current border rules for foreign tourists are the most restrictive in Asia with the exception of China.
Yep, back on 95.50. I'm not transferring any more on my Citibank card now. Just chill until there is a change in attitude if there is one.
 

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My god, you would have to be desperate. Wonder how many people are taking these tours up?
Meanwhile, local infections there are averaging about 80,000 per day.
The only hopeful thing I read in this article is as follows:

A FNN/Sankei poll found that 65.4 per cent of respondents support the government’s COVID-19 policies. 67 per cent support its program to encourage domestic tourism within Japan, while another 67 per cent support the loosening of COVID-19 restrictions — such as opening to foreign tourists.

At I clutching to any hope available? Yes.
 
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