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Japan: Hakuba 07/08 Trip reports, photos

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Sandy, Dec 14, 2007.

  1. Belly

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    Cham, Sli can answer as well, but we found the train the best. Get a cab from your accomodation to the main Hakuba train station, catch the line up the valley for about 6 stops. Problem is I can't remember the name of the station near Cortina [​IMG] Cortina Resort run a free shuttle between the resort and the train station. Cortina itself is quite a drive from Hakuba / Echoland.

    Sli, what did you think of the hotel at Cortina?
     
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  2. Sandy

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    In spite of the GFS charts Sarge1 has mentioned showing rain for Sun/Mon, and Snow-forecast showing rain on Monday, Snow-forecast are NOW showing rain on Tuesday instead. It's showing the maximum freeze level at 1600m on Tuesday during the day.

    To tell you the truth, I STILL don't think the freeze level will get anywhere near as high as that. I'd be surprised if it got up as high as 1000m.
     
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  3. 50fifty

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    For Cortina get off at the 4th station from Hakuba - "Minami Otani" - then shuttle from the station. Best to get the Norikura/Cortina pass combined - plus theres deals at the mountain and from the 7-11's for ticket/lunch deals (the meal at the hotel is really good)
     
  4. sli1

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    The owner of our Hotel/Pensione drove us to Cortina. We got a Taxi to Tsuigake then bus back from there as the bus from Happo only runs to Tsuigake.

    50Fifty and Belly are on the money in terms of the nromal way of getting to Cortina.

    The Hotel at Cortina is worth the trip alone - Ugly, scary, built unbelivably big, it could never be filled. The best lunch I have had in Hakuba.
     
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    Happo Trip Report 17/01/08
    Some more snow over night. I hadn`t skiied Happo since the snow started falling and firstly went for some of my tried and tested tree runs with mixed results. Some nice turns in there and some crappy ones. Just a note on going off-piste here, be very sure you know the exit route, not because you might have to walk uphill, that is no big deal. River crossings (everywhere) and climbing out of river banks is dangerous. I wasted an hour this morning doing this.

    The key for today was to get up high. Much deeper than down low. Unfortuately it was brutally cold and quite windy up there but the reward was in the decent. It was easy to find deep powder off the summit and lifts immediately below as the wind was blowing snow in creating large drifts. By 1:00 there was plenty of good lines still to be had but a couple of hours spent first thing yesterday and this morning in that braced position not knowing whether you would hit the old rain crust at the deepest point of the turn had my brain wanting but the legs no longer capable.

    The conditions are now very good and although the old rain crust can still be found, it easier to find places where it does not exist anymore.

    The coldest day I have experienced in Hakuba today. In the afternoon the wife and I had a little walk around. Compared to when I first came two years ago there are Assies just everywhere, especially around the Happo Gondola area, ie Mominoki Hotel. Anyways I can recommend a few spots we have been eating in the last couple of days - Koi-ya (Carp Sashimi, cooked Carp and Eel) - tastes a hell of a lot better than it sounds. Hindi Momo - Probably the best Indian I have ever had. I enjoyed a coffee, sandwich and custard roll at Mon Pigeon. The set up of this bakery is over the top but great food and coffee.

    Somebody asked how I rated Cortina. The longest sustained steep runs I have found in bounds, in Hakuba valley, only saw two other foreigners upto 3:00pm. 8:30 to 1:00 pm lift tickets cost 2300 yen, smallish area - but big enough for one day, pain to get to, clearly gets more snow than the resorts at the southern end of the valley. I had an awesome time there.
     
  6. Sandy

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    "Snow Forecast" is now showing "light rain" at the bottom of Happo Tue morning, and early Wed, with "heavy snow" starting Wed night. It's still showing a freeze level of 1550m.

    My personal take on it, is that it will be marginal at the bottom of Happo on Tuesday, (freeze might be around 800-900m, not 1550m), it will not rain Wed but snow, with a reasonable dump Wed night and Thursday. Looks like strong, cold winds Thurs, still snowing Friday.
    Then I head up to Hakuba on Saturday. [​IMG]
     
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  7. scottski

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    Managed to ski Cortina when we were at Sanasoka 10 days ago. Suna Alpina consist of three resorts. Managed to make it accross and back by Lunch and had some good on piste runs. The price was unbelievably cheap and included lunch. Great looking water ramp park for summer fun if your there.
     
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    Was looking at weather charts last night thinking this looks pretty good for mid next week.

    I like the way your reading it Sandy being the local expert!
     
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  9. Sandy

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    Putting paid to ideas of rain on Sun/Mon, it's forecast to snow on those days IN TOKYO!!!!! Ok it may not come off, but it's looking quite cold anyway!!! [​IMG]
     
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  10. Cham

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    Great report sli1. Thanks for the on site info

    Sandy...I hope your right! I feel like a big kid in a candy store just thinking about what next week may bring. Where is that pic of that little fat kid doing that dance when you need it.

    If you were a betting man how much snow would you expect out of Wednesday Thursday Friday?

    1 more sleep and I'm out of here. Now off to finishing packing.
     
  11. Sandy

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    Maybe 50cm at the top and 30cm at the bottom.....
     
  12. Cham

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    insert here picture of little fat boy doing a dance...double speed! ;-)
     
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  13. loc

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    sweet - i hope the goodness remains till i get there in feb
     
  14. Sandy

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    Remains??

    Why wouldn't you think that there would be another 4 or 5 dumps before then???
     
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    thats what i meant - goodness as in dumps

    bad expression on my behalf - probably should've said hope it continues!

    either way - i can't wait
     
  16. Sandy

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    [​IMG]
     
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  17. skiflat

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    Yep I am going to have one now and most days before then... Oh Wait..... Sorry not funny!

    There will be at least 4-5 dumps as Sandy said before then, the weather patterns seem to very nice for Japan this year, far better than 2007 that's for sure.

    Also your worst day overseas is generally better than your best day in Australia! Getting slightly off topic but my skiing days in Australia are very limited now, but I will make a 1 week trip to Perisher Blue as that resort is soooooo good!
     
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  18. Sandy

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    Looking at the latest charts, might be less than that, but we'll see.....
     
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  20. snowishing

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    how is the forecast lookin?
    today was hard and fast with some soft patches today. Powder still to be found off track but a bit heavy. Need a bit some fresh stuff!
     
  21. Sandy

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    Forecast for the bottom of Happo Tuesday 0 degrees, 2 degrees Wednesday, with a freeze level of 1100m.(not 1550m)
     
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    It's snowing now as I type. It wasn't supposed to snow until Wednesday but we already have 5 cm or so on the car and it will be good tomorrow!!!!
     
  23. Sandy

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    Now they are saying the highest freeze level will be 950m on Wednesday.
     
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  24. fattwins

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    Still some good stuff around if you know where to poke your nose!
    [​IMG]
     
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    Freddy...it aint the one but that is gold! Pretty much what I was taliking about.

    Ok I am now in Hakuba....report time.

    Yesterday...skied Hakuba 47. Was a great first day to warm up. Still plenty of untracked to be found in the trees. At least boot deep. Heaps of fun to be had here.

    Today woke up to some fresh in the village. Around 4 - 5 cm in the village and around 10cm in the alpine. Not stacks of fresh but enough to wet the lips. Got first lift and the groomers on Happo were fantastic with the fresh sitting on top. Happo is a pretty impresive place. The backcountry looks awesome! Steeper than what I epected. Fattwins....I now know where your coming from now. Some sick lines to be had out there.

    Staying at the whitehorse hotel. This place rocks! Great location, great service, great people. Highly recommend this place. Anyways...looking forward to what Wednesday may bring.
     
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    The bc is awesome when its on, too bad we are in a bit of a bad cycle for the bc to be on.
     
  27. Sandy

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    Highs across northern China are still dominating. That should change in a couple of weeks.
     
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    see you in four sleeps... [​IMG]
     
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    should be snow from tomorrow through to saturday!
     
  30. Sandy

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    I'll be there Saturday, late arvo / early evening. [​IMG]
     
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    Top session this morning. Bluebird powder day. Awesome tree runs. Sweet dry pow. More snow due tomorrow.
     
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    SJ and Ski.com mini sic in Hakuba on Saturday night. Let me know if you are coming.
     
  33. Sandy

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    So TJ, what are the details Sat night?? I'm heading into Hakuba late arvo/early evening on Sat, with one friend.
     
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    Saturday 26th January, 2008
    White Horse Hotel
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    BBQ and drink for 2000Y
    Happy hour starts at 5
    Meal is at 7
     
  35. Cham

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    Man I second that! Cracking day, thanks to TJ. Showed us a primo area and it was botomless all day long! Punching the air sort of stuff after each run. Never have I been to a place where you could ski a fresh line the entire day and not fight for it right until last lift. Fantastic!

    Dont worry TJ.....my lips are sealed ;-)
     
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  36. Sandy

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    Rain at Happo on Wednesday???

    Pffffffttttttt.......

    It's snowing moderately, RIGHT NOW in Yokohama & Tokyo, down to sea level!!!!! [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    TJ were you in the same place as some friends? [​IMG] a couple of phrases from their emails/messages "icy mogul hell" "hardpacked" "freshies first thing if you could find them"

    are you keeping secret stashes to yourself?
     
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    Bucketing down right now in Goryu.
    See ya all at Whitehorse Sat night.
     
  39. Sandy

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    Will do!!!! [​IMG]

    (Bucketing in Tokyo too)
     
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  40. TJ

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    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Let me guess. They were riding Happo or Goryu. It's a big valley with lots of options. 10 resorts. Yesterday was a cracking day with every one of our crew having a great time.
     
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    How many of you are coming Tackie?
     
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    It started snowing here at 8 this morning. So much for the rise in freeze level. Looks like it will keep snowing for the next few days. Good times ahead.
     
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    How much so far? Anyone prepared to stick their neck out and say how much we'll get?
     
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    Hi TJ. Four of us will be attending.
     
  45. sli1

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    Evergreen BC report:
    I've just arrived back in Melboune today. Went BC with Evergreen on Monday with a group of 9 clients. It was third time lucky for me on this trip as the previous two efforts to get on the most advanced BC course were thwarted by the unstable snowpack. This was the "intermediate" (fox) BC course which actually morphed during the day to become a bit like roller derby style anarchy in the forest. The area we rode was from the top of Tsuigake to the Norikura ridge. According to my fancy smancy watch the height of the ridge is about 250 meters higher than the highest lifted point on Happo although it doesn't feel like it because it is treed all the way to the part of the ridge we went to. It makes the area pretty protected from wind and allows contrast even on bad vis days. It hadn't snowed properly for about 3-4 days but the recent cold temperature meant the snow had stayed light and dry. The glades up there were nice and open and we got some great turns in. Unfortunately it doesn't compare with the bang for buck vertical in skiing the northside of Happo (what I did last time) but conditions meant that simply wasn't safe.
    All in all, a great day and well worth the money.

    We got in three runs for the day moving further across the ridge with each run to make sure we got fresh snow.

    One gripe - the two oldest people on the tour didn't stand a chance. We followed of an existing steep skin track which got pretty crappy because we had several mebers of our group were on snow shoes. The steepness and uneveness of the skin track meant there was now way their equipment was going to get them up the hill. They packed it in after an arduous battle to get to the top of the ridge once.
     
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    Today just got better and better at happo. 2cm on top of the groomers when i started at 8.30 and about 25-30 depending where you are by the end of the day. Judging on the forecast for today which we delivered much more than predicted (on snow forecast). Tomorrow could be a day to remember.

    See all you on first lift tomorrow.
     
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    Another day to remember today....It just puked its guts out all day long. Tomorrow will be epic!
     
  48. Tim Craig

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    Sli - did you come across a sort of trig station/metal landmark on your trip out of Tsugaike?? I have skied that area with Evergreen before.
    I can second your gripe about the variability in the skill levels of the group you are with. But this isn't always the fault of Evergreen, as sometimes people overestimate their ability or just want to go along with their friends.
    Last year we ended up leaving our trip after one run because the slope was too mellow and the others in the group had not skied powder before. A bit disappointing for us as we were really looking forward to some steep backcountry. (Have to admit that on the day it was cloudy and snowy and therefore would have been stupid to try and ski any of the exposed above tree line terrain, but we would have preferred to defer our trip for a better day in better terrain with a higher skilled group).
    HOWEVER, Evergreen did come through for us when we expressed our disappointment. Dave from Evergreen took us a week later at no charge up to ski north face Happo, which was one of the best runs of my life. Bluebird, 30cm fresh snow, steep pitch

    Anyway sounds like things are looking good over there for the next few days. All talk of rain seems to have gone very quiet!!
     
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    yeah I think so, well that's what they sms'd to me! [​IMG]

    they should be at the SJ party on Sat, I replied over on SJ as the group grew from 4 to about 10 [​IMG]
     
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    Tim,
    In a group situation there will always be issues with variation in ability and fitness, especially with 9 in the group in this case. I was the only one in the group that had BC experience and I didn't know any of them. It was my last skiing day of the trip, there was know new snow and enjoy walking up hills so I decided to ski this area anyway. It worked out nicely as it is ideal terrain that my wife would enjoy and we can tour their next time.

    My little gripe was that I felt sorry for the oldest two members beacuse I din't think they had a chance to see whether they were fit or skilled enough. The guide was leading the way, 6 snowshoers behind him and then me. He used an existing quite steep skin track that then became munched up with the snowshoes. On my 94mm waist skis with skins all the way to the edge, I could not get up the pock marked track and started breaking a new trail myself. By that time, the other two were already stuffed, slipping with each step they took. They had not been BC before and would not have known that life isn't meant to be that hard. One of the two older ones had skinnier skis - Salomon Scrambler hot, with skins that were nearly 10 mm in from the edge on either side. They had no hope. The equipment was hired from Evergreen.

    No, I didn't see a metal trig thing up there but vis wasn't great up the top either