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Japan trains, buses, internal flights, car hire, discounts

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Sandy, Dec 20, 2013.

  1. Crispy013

    Crispy013 One of Us

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    If you are picking up in Kyoto, then you will more than likely get stung with the 4WD & Snow tire add-ons.
    The reason I could get it at such a good price, was that I'm picking up in Morioka where these come standard.

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    I fly in to Osaka (couldn't get any flights to Tokyo on frequent flyer as we only recently switched from april plan to January. Any tips where we could Shinkansen to, to avoid the excess charges?
     
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    Hmm, your itinerary makes it interesting. Having a car in Tokyo would be frustrating IMO. My initial thoughts are catch the train up to Matsumoto. Then drive to Madarao, I guess drive to Tokyo (but it will probably sit idle somewhere), then drive back to Fuji and return to Matsumoto. Train back to Kyoto.
     
  4. Sandy

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    You have to make sure there is somewhere to PARK a car, if staying in Tokyo.
     
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    I can't work out how to get 4wd cars ?
     
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    TOCOO coming out the cheapest at the moment
     
  7. Crispy013

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    Unfortunately kind of hit and miss on Nippon website. Doesn't seem to be an optional tick box like most other providers.

    The location of the car rental site tends to dictate whether a class of car is 4WD or 2WD.
    i.e. when I pick up in Morioka, the Wish is labelled 4WD, but I do the search again in Nagano and it's 2WD.
     
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  8. Mils

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    heh there in lies the issue 30k yen to get to mastu one day for 1 adult and 2 teenagers... Thus why car is trumping all from Kyoto.. will just need to make sure I get the winter tyres and 4wd for the windy roads of Madarao.

    In terms of Tokyo I plan to park at one of those outer train stations at 1k yen a day for 3 days. or If I stay at a place it will have parking. (I might be staying with friends)
     
  9. Sandy

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    Mastu? Matsumoto?
    You need to work out how much it will cost in road tolls + fuel from Osaka to Matsumoto.
    Tolls from Osaka to Matsumoto looks like about 10,000yen one way, and let's say 5000 yen for petrol. Round trip is about 30,000yen.
    Then add the extra cost of snow tyres. Maybe 1500yen/day. 10 days = 15,000yen.
     
  10. Donzah

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    Yeah thats what i'm tossing up. Osaka to Hakuba
    3 x train fares - return = 64,000 yen

    vs Tolls 20,000 yen + 10,000 yen for gas.
    Plus 20,000 yen for snowtyres.
     
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    How long do you plan to be staying/visiting Tokyo and Fuji?
    Because this may help...
     
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    Tocoo release their snowtyres plans next week.
     
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    3 days in Tokyo, not much Shinkansen travel there mainly the non Jr trains.

    1 night in mt fuji most of which will be at fujiq

    Every time I think about trains the price is so much higher than an expressway pass. Just need to pick the right one
     
  14. MadPow

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    Get the train to Kanazawa and pick up car from there. Snow tires standard and can get 4wd. We used Times Rental last time but there are others. The train is a thunder bird but quick and express. less than 3 hours to Madarao on freeway. Scenic coastal drive and you can pull into a couple of resorts on the way up for half a day!!
     
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    Sometimes you have to follow-up with a phone call to get 4WD/Snow. Better still, call prior to ask if they have them. Of course this works best if you are able to call japan numbers and speak Japanese.

    Keep in mind - getting a car in non snow country may mean those options are not available. You are going through what I did when I flew in to Nagoya once. Ended up settling for 8 passenger 2WD van for Hakuba valley mini trip.
     
  16. Donzah

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    Yeah cheers.. I meant in specific to Nippon.
    I know how for Times, Nissan , Toyota etc.

    At the moment i'm looking at a 4wd compact with snowtyres for 7800 ex Kyoto. To drive up to Hakuba.
    *i'd rather drive than catch the train. Save money and all that.
     
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    Now I'm looking at a Subaru levorg ex Kyoto. 9180 /day
     
  18. Donzah

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    Wife says yes
    done deal
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  19. Crispy013

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    They are generally a rare breed. Who are you going through?
     
  20. Donzah

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    It doesn't have a 4wd surcharge - for obvious reasons .
    The snow tyres max charge is 20,000 yen.
    For price , vs train to Matsumoto, hire a small C-2 compact with 4wd surcharge and snow tyres .
    It came out identical
     
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    I couldn't find an outlet that had them in kyoto for jan 13.

    also what does it mean if the date is red in the calendar? are they not open? I noticed it for weekends and also some other random days with jan 13 being one of them...
     
  23. Donzah

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    Jan 13 is coming or age day. A holiday
     
  24. Mils

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    ah crap. so I need to get the car on the 11th? more to pay :doh:
     
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    So I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to visiting Hokkaido (I've never been). I'm curious about baggage allowances for domestic flights.

    If I book a Perth -> Sapporo leg, do I keep my 2 x 23kg limit on the Tokyo -> Sapporo leg? Or am I bound by the domestic bag limits (1 x 20kg).

    I'm assuming if I was then to get an additional internal flight halfway through my trip (let's say from Sapporo to Iwate) then I'd also be bound by the domestic baggage limit of 1 x 20kg? I guess the obvious answer is to allow two break days (weekend) moving from place to place, and black cat my heavy stuff from Hokkaido to Tohoku.

    As a side note, is the idea of spending a week on Hokkaido and then spending a week in the Tohoku area easy enough to manage in terms of logistics? Seems simple enough with the internal flight.
     
  26. Mils

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    who was that with?

    I am currently trying to find the best deal.

    I am travelling to Madaroa so I think I need 4wd as aparently that road is pretty hectic. Can anyone confirm? It's 16,000 yen cheaper if I don't get 4wd.. I know I am getting stung with 20,000 for the tyres... (dammit)
     
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    Yes, better to have 4wd and snow tyres. Madarao is around 1200m, so it's high.
     
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    Having experienced been stuck in Madarao with a 2WD, yes!
     
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    See, that is what I am worried about driving to the snow from Tokyo with my brother in law - probably only summer tires as well!

    We will newer make it to Shiga Kogen, before moving on to Shimane. :(
     
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    every car is booked out with them :(
     
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    What dates?
     
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    Try Budget. They have some good deals in Nagano. Or RentalCars.com
     
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    Im finding it difficult to use hyperdia eg.. Tokyo to Echigo-Yuzawa.. keeps saying incorrect info?? Any one else have issues?
     
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    Just tried then no issues. Echigo-yuzawa, just type the echigo part and then it should auto generate in the box below.
     
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    Hi, Question for Hokkaido/Japan guru. I will be renting a car in Hokkaido in early December to visit a number of ski resorts. Just wondering if there is anything to watch out for in regards to Toll road. Should I prepaid, cash, or pay through car hire agents ? Are there admin fees when paying through agents like in Australia ?
     
  44. Donzah

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    Just pay cash in Hokkaido. It's a simple process.
     
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    ETC? Edit: I've driven in Hokkaido but can't recall if i used many toll roads
     
  46. Donzah

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    Yeah there is ETC.
    However as you said. Not that many toll roads to make worthwhile
     
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    We always use ETC as it's sooooo much less hassle do just keep driving through the toll booths. Fix up the bill at the car rental place at the end of your hire. For us though, we worked out it was going to be cheaper to get an unlimited ETC toll pass for our holiday.
     
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    ECT is great when you're hightailing it back to Chitose from Asahikawa or from further south near Tomamu
     
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