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Question Japanese visitor to Thredbo

Discussion in 'Thredbo' started by M_G, Mar 20, 2016.

  1. M_G

    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    Hi all, regular poster over on the Japan thread. Need some help with a local here heading to Australia.

    Background:
    He runs a popular local crepe shop here in Myoko (Akakura Onsen) and because of the massive increase in Aussie visitors he wants to head over to Oz in June and check out the 'village vibe' and how things are done. To this end I've thought that his best bets would be Jindy and Thredbo. His focus is not on skiing but business.

    Would I be on the right track with this idea? I was also thinking to suggest Falls and Bright. Haven't been to either place in over 25 years so I really have no idea.

    What he needs:
    I'm sussing out best options for getting to Jindy where he will base himself. From there he can maybe hire a car. I'm thinking it will be cheaper to be based in Jindy than Thredbo so looking for some reasonably priced accommodation options suitable for a bloke who speaks very little English. Any suggestions please?

    Thanks in anticipation for any ideas.

    @benchives ? @Ozgirl ? @dawooduck ? @Telemark Phat @Angus_McCrory ?
     
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  2. Donza

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    What's his budget?
    Check and post on Jindynotice board on FB.
    Thredbo....no go. Too exey.
     
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  3. M_G

    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks Donza, will have a look.

    Cheap as possible. Flying J* down.

    Might also have a scroll through AirBnB.
     
  4. Donza

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    Jindy... shared room will be 15,000 yen a week. If he wants a long term rental..
     
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  5. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    Station Resort, Jindabyne. At the same time he can canvas the aussie tourist and their level of want, desire and cost limitations.
     
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  7. Zimboo

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    If flying into Sydney, two options regarding car hire.
    a) Hire car from Sydney and drive to Jindy (5+hrs), or
    b) Domestic flight to Canberra and hire car from there.
    I don't know of any car hire places in Jindy.
    Driving a hire car to the snow in NSW or Victoria isn't cheap.
    Eg NSW:
    1) Daily small car hire rate about $50 a day
    2) Daily National Park entry for Thredbo or Perisher $29 a day
    3) Chain Hire $10 a day
    4) Above snow line driving insurance extra $25 a day (from memory).
    5) Petrol $10 a day?
    So, just to get to Thredbo or Perisher costs $124 a day in a small hire car.
    He will need to check the hire car company policy regarding above snow line driving if wanting to drive to Thredbo or Perisher. Some hire car companies don't allow it at all, whilst others will require that the driver takes the above snowline driving insurance. You also can't nominate days within the hire period for above snowline driving - it's a extra $25 a day on top of the rental rate for the duration of the hire. Even if the car is only going up onto snow for 1 day over a 10 day hire period - yep, that would be $250 for above snowline insurance for 1 day - complete rip off).
     
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  8. D-eye

    D-eye Photographer and skier Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    June might not necessarily be the best time as it will be right at the very beginning of the season and very quiet.
     
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  9. travelislife

    travelislife One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Get direct jetstar flight NRT-MEL. Hire Car. Head to bright. Have a good look around the tourist business there. Head up to Falls. Head up to Hotham. Should give a good feeling and range I would have thought. How long is the timeframe? Typical Japanese FIFO of 4 days?
     
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  10. M_G

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    Thanks for all the feedback. I'm trying to collate it all into readable chunks to explain to him.
     
  11. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    You really should talk to me about this.
     
  12. Tanuki

    Tanuki A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    For the village feel and vibe I'd say Bright over Jindabyne anytime. Travelislife's advice is good, hire a car and visit bright, then Hot-ham and Falls. Head up to Jindabyne via Khancoban for one of the best scenic drives in AUS. He'll get a good feel for country and the people. Would be happy to show him around the hill at Hotham or Buller if the timing works out.
     
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  14. Ozgirl

    Ozgirl Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    I have a few thoughts... let me process them and come back with a good response.
     
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    benchives Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm thinking if it is entirely for business purposes then what he wants to achieve can probably be done without the travelling. I'm hesitant to agree a fact finding
    Mission would do anything more than reinforce what he already is speculating and I reckon s lot of money could be saved by a thorough investigation from the comfort of his own country. If you really want to help him make some time to sit down and map out some concrete objectives and I'm sure you will find that they can be realised without spending precious capex on the trip.

    The other thing I always thought was how much it would suck for a Japanese tourist with no English to go to Australia for snow. IN Japan it's so easy as everything is in English, I can't imagine a myoko local getting around the Australian alps without a lot of trouble - we aren't very helpful compared to the Japanese imo

    If he is dead keen I reckon he hooks up with someone bilingual - he will be able to ask questions and investigate more thoroughly that way

    Otherwise the suggestions here to save money have been good
     
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  16. skichic

    skichic A Local

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    There will be a new shuttle service starting up this season out of Jindy. Picking up from Cooma with stops along the way to I think skitube. Followed by a Jindy only pickup and then reverse in the afternoon. Snowy Mountains Shuttles. He's been canvassing ideas and prices on the FB Jindy noticeboards.
     
  17. benchives

    benchives Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Does it "stop" in Fiji by any chance?
     
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    skichic A Local

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    "Based in Berridale, an early pick up at Cooma at approx 6.15am. Stopping at Berridale, Kalkite turn off, Jindabyne then onto the Skitube for first tracks at approx 7.30. Back to Jindy for an 8am and 9am pick ups. We will have an afternoon schedule matching the morning run to help everyone enjoy there day in the snow. Night skiing from Berridale every Tuesday night."
     
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  20. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    There is a huge need for this and I hope it goes well. Whilst people think Japan is hard without a car, Jindabyne, Perisher and Thredbo are almost impossible.

    There are a lot of parents who should be very grateful to my mogul skier for all the lifts he gives kids. He has a full car, both ways, 5 days a week, because there is no other way for these kids to get to the skitube, apart from their parents driving them.
     
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  21. M_G

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    Thanks for all the extra advice. Sorry @skichanger , this was just thrown on us and he's taking off back to Takada tomorrow so had to gather a wide range of opinions and information in a short time. Once he'd put two crepes and a bottle of sake on the table we were obligated to help him.

    One problem is that he is 60+ and basically doesn't know how to use the internet, or email. So any research via that method is out. Basically he gets all of his info old school, by talking to people like us.

    I looked at the Bright/Fall combo, which would probably be my recommended option, but have been reliably informed that June is very quiet and he wouldn't get much out of it.

    Renting a car and negotiating his way from an airport to different resorts and back? Bit of a bridge too far for a guy like him.

    There might be a bilingual speaker in Jindy we can hook him up with but working on that.

    Coming for a week. Maybe 4-5 days in the ski resort area. Will not be skiing.
     
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  22. D-eye

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    Just make sure it's after the weekend of the 13th or there won't be much to see.
     
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  23. skichic

    skichic A Local

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    Yes I do hope he is successful, he's really trying hard, asking for feedback, and trying to set a price point that's both affordable and profitable. The number of kms I travel in winter is ridiculous, and mine doesn't even do any training!
     
  24. BobGnarly

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    Save him some ¥¥¥ and tell him to double his prices and stop being nice to his customers.
    That's probably all he will learn on his trip ;)
     
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  25. Zimboo

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    Something like this?
    Seems to cover everything, ie Bus transport from Sydney or Canberra, stay in Jindabyne (so can look around there), daily trip up the mountain in bus included, meals included.
    Midweek might be OK, weekend would be Ozzie bogan central.

    http://www.snowtravel.com.au/mains/coachtrips.jsp

    http://ozsnowadventures.com.au/australia/
     
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  26. Zimboo

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  27. Telemark Phat

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    There is a couple in Berridale who own the Sushi Van. The wife is Japanese and may be willing to help. The only other Japanese residents in the area I now of moved away a couple of seasons ago.
     
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  28. Zimboo

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    @ojisan ...........................maybe he knows of a Japanese snow enthusiast group or community in Sydney that visits the NSW ski area?
    Might be able to help?
     
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  29. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    mmm have been thinking about this and have a few ideas that might work for both him and parents.
     
  30. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    We know a few people who speak some Japanese that might be able to help. Just need to talk to them first. I reckon his best bet would be to fly to Cooma on the new Rex service.

    Another option is to fly into Melbourne and catch a bus to Buller or Mansfield.
     
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    ojisan station master Ski Pass: Gold

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    Where I was getting Japanese language lessons have an annual trip to the snow.
    Would suggest maybe seeing if the Japanese foundation in Sydney have snow trips.
     
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  32. Piste Again

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    A couple of thoughts :

    The clientele at the station resort or the backpackers probably aren't typical of the Aussie who goes to Japan for skiing. He probably needs to see in-resort at night.

    I agree with the earlier post about driving. He'd probably be better off flying into Canberra and getting the bus.

    The place will be as quiet as a church in June. He'd be better going just after the July school holidays or in early to mid-september.
     
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  33. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    There are many well-off citizens whom chose to stay at cheaper digs to get as many days on snow as possible, including using tents and sleeping bags. They also happen to be well-healed global travellers.
     
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    Bright doesn't have much winter vibe at night, especially midweek.Cafe owners used to (may still) take annual holidays in August because it was so quiet. Mt Beauty has more winter evening vibe than Bright, but still not a lot. Driving to Falls every day is a whole lot easier than driving to Hotham everyday so there are quite a lot of potential Japan skiers who stay (or live) in Mt Beauty.

    Still i would have thought Jindy would have a lot more going on than Bright or Mt Beauty

    Agree about avoiding June.
     
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  35. Tanuki

    Tanuki A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Agree completely, I wasn't thinking of nights (which is prob what this bloke is keen on)
     
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  37. Budgiesmuggler

    Budgiesmuggler A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Jindy has more going on, but bright always seems to be packed.

    For resorts probably falls and Thredbo would be best as those have more of a village.

    Perisher and Hotham don't really have a village to speak of.
     
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    If driving to Jindy from Canberra he could stop in at the Bredbo Pancake and Crepe Shop. Never been there myself, so it may not be indicative of what he wants to provide to his clients. Anyone got any experiences from there?
     
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    A long time ago. I won't be back. A classic example of one bad experience cascading yea unto all the generations.
     
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  40. skichic

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    Never been there but the cafe at Bredbo (south of the Xmas barn same side of the road) is nice. Homemade pies, good food, good coffee.
     
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    Harper11 Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I don't really understand what this guy is hoping to achieve.

    how does the village vibe in Australia relate to a crepe house in Japan?
     
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    He's trying to understand what these "lamingtons" are that people keep asking for.
     
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  43. M_G

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    Ski village in Japan v ski village in Australia?

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    Haha, looks like PaulyG front row!

    Is that pancake place in Bredbo ever open?
     
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    This
    June will be dead quiet, not much happening food/cafe wise at any resort, maybe even no snow (god hope not).
    If there were some objectives known, they could possibly be answered by the knowledge base in these forums.:thumbs:

    If he does get to speak to a cafe owner he will only find out that: the season is short, the food is crap, the prices are exorbitant, it's hard work, a lot of patrons are rude, wastefull and throw their rubbish on the ground.:headbang:
    I spose it will be an eye opener for him though.
     
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    I was thinking the same thing ............. That said , there used to be a crepe shop in Thredbo in the 80's .
     
  48. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I dropped in there with a Japanese guest. He wanted to bring Japanese to stay in Bredbo just to experience this cafe. Took a lot ot convince him it was not close enough to the resorts.
     
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    Might have a bit of trouble finding accomodation too lol.
     
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    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    Not bad. Love its history. Note the dripping glass windows because of their vintage.