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Japanese Whisky

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Sandy, Jun 8, 2013.

  1. marv hucker

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    Haven't run into the same thing. The two near me always have some, one across the road from the last rental always (albeit 4 yrs ago) had some. Prices have risen a little, but Japanese whisky was pretty well under the radar 5 years ago, normal market forces there.


    If only there was some sort of location on the internet or something you could find it out. Pity.

    https://www.danmurphys.com.au/dm/se...Hash=c0c63b56f16ffec15e000e01c8ea9752d9e8e17d
     
  2. Sandy

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    But not the age labeled bottles.
     
  3. marv hucker

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    Here's a shocking fact for you, they're not producing ten million bottles of each aged batch
    Finite stock, bigger demand = rising prices

    Dem Chinese though. Buying the stuff that we want to buy, with their money.
     
  4. azzski

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    Incorrect. There's a few of the miniature aged bottles still available (though they're collectibles, 50mL bottles aren't satisfying anyone) and there was Hakushu 18 year old available this morning at a crazy price, now sold out. In addition, I bought a bottle of Hibiki 17 last week from these guys as a gift. The supplies are limited, but they do source some every now and then.
     
  5. Sandy

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    I'm talking about normal 700ml bottles. They've un-bottled a lot of regular bottles, and re-bottled them as miniatures, but charging regular sized prices.
     
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    Listen to what I'm saying..... Millions Japanese drinkers suddenly started buying age labeled Japanese whisky from April 2015, instead of scotch, once they realised that they were beating scotch in international competitions. They virtually stripped the shelves in 2 months.
    It's NOT the Chinese.
     
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  7. azzski

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    Apart from when I mentioned the mini bottles specifically, so was I. Hibiki 17, 700mL bottle, I bought last week. Hakushu 18 Year Old, 700mL bottle, sold out this morning (at a very steep AUD799 a bottle).
     
  8. marv hucker

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    Yes... that's the joke
    It's the same deal with property in Melbourne
    3 or 4% of the people buying across the market are actually Chinese.
    Yet people constantly blame all the price rises on 'the Chinese'. Much easier to blame someone from somewhere else.
     
  9. Sandy

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    Yeah, there's a lot of that going around!!!!! LOL

    Chinese NY in Japan during the snow season!!!! While there's an increase in numbers, it's NOTHING compared to the actual New Year numbers & Japanese long weekends!!! ;)
     
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    I'm sure I broke the clerk's heart at Yamaya in the middle of nowhere in Tochigi when I asked if they had any more 18YO Hakushu, and he clambered behind all the bottles of whiskey, then vodka, to find 1 bottle hidden expertly behind everything else. I'm sure he was saving it for himself, but when he saw a white guy come in and ask for it he had to sell it to me.
     
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  11. Sandy

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    ROFL

    An Aussie storekeeper wouldn't be so self sacrificing
     
  12. Vermillion

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    Absolutely. I think he was more shocked in seeing 4 white dudes in his little country store, when there's only 2 that live in the whole town!
     
  13. Sandy

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    More likely to be a age labelled bottle hiding in a tiny country store though..
     
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    What tax? The shit is basically free compared to what we pay in AUS.
     
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  17. Sandy

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    Looks like it's less than 100yen on a bottle of whisky + 8%. So on a 5000yen bottle, you could save a whopping 500yen. ;)
     
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    This says 22.5% (Alcohol tax + Consumption tax)
    [​IMG]
     
  19. Sandy

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    The consumption tax on that table is 5%, so it's more than 2 years old.

    This is different to the other link you posted.
    e.g.
    "The tax on a 750-ml bottle of wine ¥60" From that table, the tax is 58 + 76 = ¥134
     
  20. DPS Driver

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    I like this thread.

    Imbibed plenty in Japan over the years. better quality than the stuff I drank out of recycled soft drink bottles in Slovenia with the boat rowers in Bled. Ah hazy good times.
     
  21. Sandy

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    Mentioned earlier in the thread and was the reason that age labeled Japanese whisky has become hard to find, from April last year:

     
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  23. DPS Driver

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    hey if the japanese whiskey is getting harder to come by, then switch to good old Aussie whiskey from Tasmania. The Apple Isle is making some of the best in the world now.
     
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    Spent last week visiting some of the Tassie whiskey places. Hellyers was probably my favourite, and yes some are very nice. But most don't hold a candle to the complexity and balance of the better Japanese whiskies IMO.
    Plus they are about the same price!
     
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    Did not taste any from Apple Isle though, will look out for it next time :)
     
  26. Sandy

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    They can charge what they like at the moment, that bottle-o is probably the only place importing it right now.
     
  28. DPS Driver

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    Keep your eye out for Sullivan's Cove, it was awarded the worlds best single malt in 2014. the first time a whiskey from somewhere other than Scotland or Japan has ever won the award.
    Lark is another good one. We're also turning out some decent gins as well.
     
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    Hellyers Road also has a good rep.
     
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    We visited Nikka last March. Had a great day! Knowing nothing about Whisky it was very interesting for me. I had a whisky loving girlfriend with me and for me it was like taking a 5yr old to see Santa. She was just so excited and loved every minute of it. The back story of the family was the most interesting thing for me though.
     
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    "A whisky loving girlfriend" Hmmmmm... I'm visualising right now.
     
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    LOL Possibly correctly.
    She's a fabulous human.
     
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    [nods approvingly]
     
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    @LMB did you find any other interesting things to do or good lunch places in Yoichi? We're heading to Niseko soon and we will probably head to Nikka if we have a rest/bad weather day.

    I'm wondering what other things there are to do in town if we make a day of it. We won't have a car, so will be catching the train.
     
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    @Cheese Mountain it was a hideous day weather wise. We did a little wander around Yoichi (which has quite a few food places) but we decided to head to Otaru for some fabulous seafood on the canal.
    We also caught the train :thumbs:
    It was a pretty good way to spend a stormy, blizzarding, mountain was closed day.
    However booze for breakfast was a bit daring!
     
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    Thanks for that. Sounds like a great option for foul weather days.
     
  39. churchy

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    stating the obvious here, but the status quo hasn't changed miraculously... Just got home and I trawled everything from big departments to tiny backstreet stores and found virtually no single malt japanese whisky carrying an age statement aside from the usual suspects.

    I picked up a bottle of nikka 12 premium which i haven't sampled yet. I tried some Mars Tsunagu (NAS) which was pretty tasty but my partner decided she'd rather use the limited luggage space bringing home some much cheaper imojyou shochu for which she's developed quite a liking.

    fwiw, I'd rather drink something much peatier and smokier (lagavulin is my go to), but it's always been nice to be able to pick up very good japanese stuff for not much money. shame those days are over
     
  40. Sandy

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    You have to go after something that's not Nikka or Suntory. Then you have more options.
     
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    Yamazaki 12YO is back in Australia but it appears they can charge what they like. DMs has it for $200. The lowest I've seen is $170 and some small bottle shops are asking $250.

    Crikey, as good as it is, that is a premium price.
     
  42. Sandy

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    That's pretty much right. It's started appearing again in Japan on Rakuten, generally for around 15,000yen.

    There are other lesser known distilleries also appearing with age labelled single malts:
    Kurayoshi 18 about 11,000yen
    Kurayoshi 12 about 6,000yen
    Kurayoshi Sherry Cask 8 about 6,000yen
    Yamazakura (can't remember the details)

    Howevrer, you can get a MUCH larger range of Scotch single malts than before, obviously to compensate for the lack of Japanese age labelled product.
     
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    I bought a bottle of the Nikka(?) Whisky with the metal samurai on top for my old man for father's Day.
    Hope it's good, will have to investigate.
     
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    This one. The metal topper is much more substantial than you'd think. The cynic in me thought it was plastic but it's heavy as. Looks bad ass on dads mantel.

     
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    I cant believe that 4-5 years ago I would bring back so much Hakushu and Yamazaki from Japan that i'd get lazy at times and just mix it with coke. Yes, that's right, I had so much 12YO stuff I would mix it with coke. With coke. You fugging idiot Verm, did you think this would last forever?
     
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    it's really been the last two years it's taken off yeah? I mean in 2016 on Hokkaido I was still buying that sort of stuff sub $100, 50 bux for Single Malt Yoichi in Sapporo etc. I just saw it at duty free in Melbourne and almost spat out my coffee
     
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    Yep don't bother with duty free any more, for any type of whisky.
     
  48. Sandy

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    You can still get heaps of Single Malt Yoichi, but it's no age label.... unless you go to Rakuten where you can pay 30,000-40,000 yen for a 12yo.

    HOWEVER, if you know what you're doing, you can find Glenfaclas17yo single malt scotch for 7000yen, or Bowmore Islay 18yo for 8500yen.
     
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    It was never good to buy duty free.
     
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    I would not be that categorical. :whistle:
     
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