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Discussion in 'Alpine & Snow' started by choc, Jul 15, 2006.

  1. Djon

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    Static Vic radar below, see the <a href='http://www.theweatherchaser.com/weather/observations/radar/Animation_Vic'>2 hr animated version</a>. This will update. [​IMG]

    It's not very often you see it coming in from the SE like that.

    <img src='http://www.theweatherchaser.com/images/radar/SEAus.85.jpg'>
     
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    Oh, oh - just when we thought we were out of the woods.
     
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  4. Vermillion

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    Djon - February 2005 reminds me... [​IMG] but not that bad this time.
     
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  5. skiflat

    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    Yes but after that r*in band hopefully not too much more !
     
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    Yes Djon... unfortunate.


    Question [tad off-topic]
    1. Do smaller rain droplets make better snow?
     
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    Jesus, I hope so for the sake of those that are trying to make a quid out of those mountains.
     
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    Yeah, not as much r*infall in the alps perhaps, but that was there was no snow to wash away being out of season, and there was a very decent (10-20cm?) snow accumulation after it passed. If we get a similar fall this time round I would be happy!

    Here are some snow cams from Feb 2005, more <a href='http://snow.barratt.com.au/z/snowcams/200502'>here</a>.

    <img src='http://snow.barratt.com.au/z/snowcams/200502/hotham2.20050203092504.jpg?display=original'>

    <img src='http://snow.barratt.com.au/z/snowcams/200502/huge.20050203090245.jpg?display=original'>
     
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  9. frazels

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    Strange wind direction because of the two Lows above us

    [​IMG]
    **Will update**
     
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    At least it is southerly and it is getting cooler. We have had some OK falls from the SE but generally NSW fairs best. Probably be OK above 1700.
     
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    You guys aren't suggesting what I think you are suggesting are you?

    The temps are too high.!!

    By the way what where the temps on that summers day?
     
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    Is that a trick question!? [​IMG]

    Or do you mean what sort or r*in droplets is less bad for snow cover?

    Southerly would be good if it was air that originated from the south (which it normally does)...

    The air/r*in coming up now has been 'around the country' if you like. We still need a good southerly feed to come in for things to get really cold, which isn't looking like happening for until perhaps Tuesday.

    Looks like it will be a bit cooler at times until then though which may be enough for some wet snow about the higher resorts... <img src='http://pages.prodigy.net/indianahawkeye/newpage09/3.gif'>
     
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  13. frazels

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    July 2005
    Average Min -2.9
    Average Max 0.2
    Snow ~50cm
    Rain 5.01mm per day average

    July 2006 (to date)
    Average Min -3.3
    Average Max -0.7
    Snow ~30cm (only half of month gone)
    Rain 4.12mm per day average

    Info from BoM website
     
  14. POW_hungry

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    Don't quite understand your question as it's an Oxymoron (can't be snow if it's a 'rain droplet').
    But if your refering to the size of snowflakes. A large spanned snowflake, generally means it's much more mature than a smaller 'grapule' frozen state precip. As it indicates that the flake has been super-cooled and picked up size through picking up atmospheric moisture/frozen particles.

    Therefore a big snowflake would be more beneficial than smaller, for snowdepth.
     
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    As a straightforward weather observation, it's been +3C and steady pouring rain at DP since 4pm [​IMG]

    Vis about 2-300 metres max, wind light ESE.
     
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    Woops. I meant snow 'droplets'... not r**n :headbang:
     
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    Did we have all this doomesday hubris last year?
     
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    They've had 6.8mm rain at Bairnsdale in the last 3 hours. The temperature dropped almost a full degree when it hit.....
     
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    Well, we had a bit more of a solid base.
    At the moment... its snow 5cm... week passes... snow 5cm... week pases... etc
     
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    Yeh, Djon this one has been around the world and agree we need a more southerly feed to get it really cold. It may however pick up some of the colder air from the low that hit NZ (hopefully). At least it is not northerly!! Anything is better than nothing at the moment and we are just living on hope.
     
  21. skiflat

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    Hotham down to 0.4 but heavy rain looking at Fletch cam and by the radars [​IMG]
     
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    Hotham is 0.4!!! And as Djon said a rain band is comming! Give it a while and hopefully it will drop down to -'s
     
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    Temps seemed to have stalled at about .07 at the top of Thredbo and .05 at the top of PB. Going to bed very deppressed. Not looking forward to viewing the cams tommorrow morning it may be ugly. Hopefully not.
     
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    AndDee explain to me why that is bad. i know it is still in +'s but it could be worse! it could easily drop into negatives soon.
     
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    Thats weird cause i can actually see a few flakes...
    Looks wet though.
     
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    Bloody weather making me a liar- One last check before going to bed and the temps are falling again .04 at the top of PB and Thredbo. Keep going baby!!!

    Goodnight
    :out:
     
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    BTW... I have it set on the best light to see it flake, so dont touch it! :p
     
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    YAY! Pow-Hungry keep us posted!!! This is great news. I dont care if its wet i just care its snowing!!!
     
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    POW, have you got the URL for Fletchcam please.
     
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    Looking to get heavier by the minute on Fletch's cam now... C'mon snow!!!! plenty of moisture left.
     
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    Its above 0 so it's rain basically, maybe ice pellets/odd snowflake. Also that temp is at the top part of the mountain, so down lower it will be warmer/definate rain
     
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    Damn!!! I forgot that it was up top!
     
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    Thanks POW
     
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    Actually the Hotham AWS (last time i checked) is near the load station of the Road Runner chair.
     
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    It wont load for me [​IMG]
     
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    The road, near the busstop, and car park is more interesting IMO. It is still very shiny (ie. wet), you can see reflections in it for different things. When you can't see reflections we would have something of interest... [​IMG]

    9:30pm AWS update not too far away will be interesting. We really need less than say -0.5 tonight on the summit for snow accumulation further down on the bulk of the runs.
     
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    Yeh the cam has too many people looking at it now, Thanks POW!!! but from what I saw it doesn't just look like rain! [​IMG]

    Yes at least -0.5 would be nice, not sure that we'll get it!

    Also the East Sale radar is now down until 10:45pm for windfinding [​IMG]
     
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    [​IMG]

    To the top left of the image, in the light. Extra heavy sleet or wet snow.
     
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    9:30pm - Hotham
    Temp 0.3
    Precip 4.2mm
     
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    Feel free to move it... i was just stirring. But it's not a bad view where it is! [​IMG]
     
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    hmmmm this could be alright. we need to wait for 10 to see if we will get anything worth talking about.
     
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    Can anyone else confirm this?
    I thought it was just a MHRMB weather station.
     
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    Not to sure of the apartment Fletch has it mounted on, but it's the same bulding as Swindlers and the Grocery Store i believe. Which would be about 50m above the AWS.
     
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    Hotham down a little more at 9:30pm to 0.3c (<a href='http://www.theweatherchaser.com/maps/index.html?lat=-36.67723060234621&lon=147.3870849609375&zoom=9&lid=173'>see here</a>). Baw Baw is still warm at 3.8 and seems to be in the relative thick of it, though further west....

    Certainly doesn't look like it will get really cold tonight, but <img src='http://pages.prodigy.net/indianahawkeye/newpage09/3.gif'> it gets just a little cooler (one degree would be nice). It has cooled off more already than I thought it would... [​IMG]
     
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    [​IMG]

    Falls Creek, 0.5c.

    White Slurpy coming out of the sky.
     
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    Actually... I may be wrong. I might be thinking about one of the resort snow depth measuring sicks. Anyone?!
     
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    Ur right there Djon - Fingers Crossed!
     
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    The BoM Mt.Hotham AWS is on top of the summit (1849m ASL). The fletch cam is at around 1770m, right in the village. Same building as the supermarket, ticket place etc.

    The lift company will have a number of mini-weather stations dotted around the place to help them with snowmaking.
     
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