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Advice needed Kids and T bars

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by southpaw, Aug 20, 2019.

  1. southpaw

    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    My kids (7 and 9) really struggle with T bars to the point they will insist on avoiding them which in turn really limits where we can ski as a family. In particular my 7 year old is small and slight for her age and my wife can’t seem to manage the height difference and as result they both end up falling off. Obviously the kids are better matched height wise but aren’t competent enough to manage being on their own T bar. I’m wondering if others have dealt with the same issue and have any suggestions?
     
  2. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Meh...
    They’ll grow.
    I avoid tbars also. They give me a massive inner thigh bruise (one day when it’s quiet I will trial behind the butt and see how we go) - I only do them if the group I’m with really wants to, or to access some incredible laps. Yet I find plenty of great stuff to play on accessed by chairs. Is it so terrible to let them stick with chairs with the exception of the odd tbar to test the waters/height changes every now and again?
     
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    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    someone is going to say teach them to HTFU.
    are they on skis or boards? maybe ski in Vic for a couple of years till they get stronger - t-bars are a rarity. None at Falls, 1 at Hotham, 5 at Buller but not a big deal to avoid them
     
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  4. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think kids together are more likely to handle T-bars than any combination of adult and kid. Find an easy T-bar and practise.
     
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    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    Perseverance in having the kids ride together is the answer
     
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  6. climberman

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    They’ll get competent on their own (as a pair - does that even make sense?!?) in about two or three rides. Just practice when they are welded and it’s quiet. Offer rewards for completion :)
     
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  7. DbSki

    DbSki Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Times have changed, these days when I get a Tbar with someone short I end up with the bar behind my knees or legs to suit them but when i was younger older people DGAF and I had to go up with the Tbar behind my back to suit their height.

    Anyway.....
    My solution to this is like my T-Chair idea (Chairlift + Tbar on same lift towers)

    A T-Poma
    Tbar could have a small extension rigid cable off the centre bar with a Poma button......so 2 riders can use the Tbar and single riders can use the Poma button and hang on Tbar part as handle bars to hang on to.

    But lift makers just never seem to think out of the box so I don't expect we will see them.
     
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  8. melty68

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    T-bars were invented to test if you really love skiing and your family...best to be avoided at every opportunity.
     
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  9. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Get them on the Jbars at smiggs to begin with. That establishes the feeling and muscle memory.
    Then progress to some of the other easy Tbars .
     
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  10. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    I must have missed the memo. I like them!
     
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  11. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    Really? Quick and easy way up the hill.
     
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  12. southpaw

    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Thanks, it seems that they’re more common here than Canada where they starting skiing, or at least Perisher seems to have heaps of them. Didn’t know about Vic resorts.
     
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  13. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah Perisher does have alot .
    I know people , good riders . That have only ridden OS.
    Never ridden a T-bar.
    They looked like numpties.
     
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  14. southpaw

    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Yeah getting the sense that putting them on together may be the go. Trouble is we’ve just been weekends this year so far so it’s adds to the pressure.
     
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  15. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    The best Tbar to learn at Perisher is Happy.
    However a really good one to practice is Mitchell on Front Valley.
    Also Telemark (before it gets busy ) is fantastic.
    My daughter mastered Tbars at age 6. However. It was either that or walk.
     
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  16. melty68

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    Yep but never good with new skiiers it's a hard concept to realise you can't sit down,especially if you are still snow ploughing.
     
  17. climberman

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    They can learn. It’s just standing up :)
     
  18. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Its basically the skiing stance
     
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  19. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm not sure about Telemark. I have seen carnage where it crosses the road. Piper is fairly benign.
     
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  20. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah j bars are waay easier and good to develop them up. Had a 3.5yo on a slow one in france, he wasn't thrilled but it worked ok, his big brother all over them. Haven't tried tbars yet, I meant to take em to the basin last week but it was always windy as.

    In other news I fell off a t bar last week for the first time in maybe 25 years LOL forgot I was on teles and hit a bump LOL oops, over the bars. My buddy was very WTF
     
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  21. melty68

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    Empathy kids...it's easy coz we have skiied for a long time.
     
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    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah that's not an ideal starter imo
     
  23. Ozgirl

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    Yep kids on together... I have a great shot of two little tackers under your kids ages, nailing them! Paretns would approve of them being internet session though!

    They will get it.

    I learnt on a poma and rope tow. it was (as Donzah said) either that or walk!
     
  24. climberman

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    I was a kid who learned on them, and my kids did too. They ride them without query. Actually they are more fun. Pretending to push your kid off a chairlift is dangerous. Off a t bar is hilarious.
     
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    ive given up j’s on the bars man.
     
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  26. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Taught Poppy on it.
    Was the best IMO.
    Mainly cause she got the idea of when it went flat vs uphill
    And it was empty as until 11am or so.
    Like dead quiet.
    The other good T's.. Happy etc get crowds.
    IMO the crowds and the fear of falling off overrides the tacker.
     
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  27. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Your kids are old enough to push you off now............
     
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  28. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Hmmm interesting points
     
  29. climberman

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    I know!!
     
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    Just keep persevering, it will come with time. We went to Perisher this year for a few days after only skiing/riding at Falls Creek. The kids tried the T-bar on their own but didn't feel confident. We ended up getting the two kids a private lesson where they did T-bars until they were confident. Took about 45min then the rest of the 2 hour lesson was general stuff. I should say both my girls snowboard and are a little older than yours. They still won't ride a t-bar with us, but will happily go up alone or together which works well for us. Older daughter would avoid the Pomas at Falls, but last week went up the International Poma at Falls I wonder if the T-bar success helped with this....who knows!

    Good luck!
     
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    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Started when my daughter was so small I had the bar behind my boots. I didn't like that. Now we are 7 and doing all of them with ease.

    Easy rider at Thredbo is a really good one to practise on.
     
  32. southpaw

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    I will try them together on the same T when I can find a quiet One. They’ve come a cropper off the Happy Valley T a couple of times but that’s quite steep in parts so might try to find a gentler one.
     
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    exactly! Since before Charilifts were invented!

    Im serious.

    All the beginner runs were serviced by tbars not chairs.

    Raising pansy's i tells ya!

    Empathy FFS! You don't know, what you don't know!

    I was waaay more afraid of learning to snowboard and getting off a chair with only one foot in that i ever was riding a tbar with someone (not alone thats a different story!)
     
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    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    The carnage was much worse way back when it was the old Poma button lift. Crossing the road was a real adventure when I was small enough that I got air every time.

    Had to catch it first up every morning to get over to front valley. I learned to snow plow just before getting to the road, then let go and sling shot to the other side. If I didn't manage to land it cleanly I'd have to walk the road to Sundeck. I knew I was getting older when I didn't have to worry about being too short to cross the road!
     
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    My son has mastered them this season, but then he had the incentive that he had to master them to go up a ski level and be allowed his stocks full time.

    As said above we remind him the t bar pull you up the hill, it is not to sit on.

    We started by taking his stocks so he only had to focus on the bar, He then progressed to one stock and the inner hand holding the bar. He can hold his stocks but small hands make this harder so I tend to help if he is with me.

    Now a caveat, I am vertically challenged but I don’t get the height thing for skiers (can’t talk for boarders). If skiers are struggling with this I reckon they are trying to sit on the bar.
     
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    Nothing wrong with our height mate.
     
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    Definitely kids together is best. My kids loved that independence. And they love drag lifts; nonstop skiing and they are more confident to ride alone than they are on chairlifts. You could also try sending them up one at a time. Or as others have mentioned, t-bar behind the adult’s knee.
     
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    Depends on where you learned to ski. Coronet Peak had a J bar and 2 chairs back in the day. Came back to Australia to be confronted by these t bar thingys as an advance skier and made a complete fool of myself.
     
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    True but I am a fraction closer to the kids :D
     
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    Make it up x 8 and its double choc ice cream for dessert.
    Make it up x 10 and we come back next year.
    Dem goals!!!
    After dat, regular fat kid onda T's. LOL
     
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    Yep we carry snakes and jelly beans for short term goal setting so I am on board with your strategy!
     
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    we are in australia though cobba!
     
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    I have a daughter (now 18) that has never liked sweets or chocolates................she skis well and now snowboards.
    Edit: Sometimes it's new shoes that does it..............lol. LOL
     
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    Ozgirl A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Haha!

    I was bribed with chocolate as a kid, both to ski and to past spelling tests. Couldn't bribe me with them now!
     
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    ...also, my kids had a lot of experience riding platters before they tried a T-bar.
     
  46. Zimbooo

    Zimbooo One of Us

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    But dem shoes?
     
  47. southpaw

    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I’ll see how long sweets work, when they grow out of that I’m hoping they are in it for the love of the snow.
     
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    Patience is the best advice for parents....make it fun, it's not a race.
    If T's are a issue for you at Perisher maybe consider a family lesson on a clear day just to ride T's together and make it fun. The 3rd voice is gold.
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    When was the last design on a T? 50 years ago?

    Our arses are fatter now for a start, and this thing called snowboarding got invented.

    From what I can see, zero design to cater.

    For the person that reads this, and makes a squillion dollars from a redesign, throw me a biscuit
     
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    Funny isn't it.
    My memory is T's was where you started before going higher and progressing onto chairs.
    Perisher.