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Advice needed Kids and T bars

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by southpaw, Aug 20, 2019.

  1. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah, smiggins for me - I avoided the slow assed chair so it was all Ts
     
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    Pass.
     
  3. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I started xc skiing, cant remember what type of lift I first rode. I remember getting excited when dad said we could catch the chair up, instead of skiing up DHG, but it was on wind hold. I think my first lift experience was a School trip to Thredbo, in the late 70's, so a chair, to get to the Tbars on Merritts. Might have been a skis off chair though.

    Its not that T's are hard, just that I cant see why they cannot be improved somehow, at a very minor cost.
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Skied a T bar at Sunshine when I first learnt in ‘85. Do they still have one? Then Perisher was all t bars on FV, recall taking my then 4yr old up (he’s now 22). Just tell the kids they have to go up together. Follow them up, jump off if they fall. Repeat. They’ll get it pretty quickly.
     
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  5. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I learnt to ski on a nutcracker
     
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    Snowfi One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    My two have always been motivated by money. The rate was 50 cents each for every tbar ride together. Telemark in the afternoon was $1 if they made it up first go, cut up track and long queue if they fell.

    The other incentive we used was unsupervised* runs off the jbars at smiggins. Couple of laps each day, they had to stay together. At the time the lifties on the jbars were always friendly and helpful for beginners. *We were never far away, often close behind, but they thought it was special.
     
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  7. zac150

    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    So not much has changed, you’re not that far behind them ;):D
     
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    That would be cobber actually.
     
  9. Snowfi

    Snowfi One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Nah, this year I'm not even close...
     
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  10. southpaw

    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Yeah like sponsoring them in a walkathon I get it. I made a rookie parenting error a couple of years ago when we started parkrun- I told them they would get a Fitbit each when they broke 30 mins for the 5k, well I should have checked how much that bit of plastic tat was before I made my promise! I now carefully cost my incentives!
     
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  11. Zimbooo

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    Tight pants and high voices.

     
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  12. Sadie

    Sadie Chk Chk Boom Moderator

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    Now that is a messed up invention. Had a skier jump on in front of me without a nutcracker or gloves. Held on for as long as he could until he fell off. The rope bounced, my arm went flying, I let go of the nutcracker and it swung up and cracked me in the mouth. Ow!!

    T-bars... how about self loading at club fields. You get the hang of it pretty quick there.

    I’m pretty short and I can tell you that they rarely rest behind the back of my front leg. Now, that’s uncomfortable o_O
     
  13. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    I find a Poma with a disc between the legs easier than a t-bar on a board. There’s a massive one to get back to Zermatt from Italy - big downhill sections and steep uphill drags.
    And being a single rider thing anyway there’s no judgement for going single.
    yeah, I dunno.
    I haven’t stacked off a tbar in a number of years, but I still don’t enjoy them.

    Take the Basin for example, got some mates who LOVE the Basin. Happy to lap it over and over, up the tbar, ski down, up the bar again.
    Now ... I can justify riding the Basin t to go up and over to Karels, ride that and access the off piste lovelies over there or The Bluff or whatever. Worth the pain for the gain.

    Lapping the Basin for the Basins sake - nope.
    A short shitty run, wind blown or not, is a short shitty run, then you unclip, shuffle along in a queue calling single to get eyerolls from skiers before being dragged up the hill at snails pace by the soft fleshy sensitive part of your leg, to do it all again. Whoop whooop... I’d rather dodge the learners at Cruiser.
    Ha ha!
    Yep.
    Rode Karels t with a tall skier mate a few weeks back and had to ask him to please lower the bar a bit as it was lifting me off the ground every time he stood tall. Ouch!
     
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  14. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Rode a t solo last week too for the first time in ages. Trickier than I remembered!
    Double with a skier is great, my preference.
     
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  15. southpaw

    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I did the same thing a couple of weeks ago, had never ridden one on my own. I had read advice on the forum that the best way to ride solo is to balance the other side with your hand - definitely would have fallen off if I hadn’t done that.
     
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    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    What’s a nutcracker?
     
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    A rope tow requiring a detachable hand held clamp to ride it, still common in NZ club fields. The clamp resembles a nutcracker.
     
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    The key is to look and focus on where you want to get too, to the very top of the lift line. Most falls happen because people are focusing on their skis on the snow or whats happening next to them, if you look where you want to get to most of the time you will get there, this goes for skiing trees (focus on the gap not the tree), making turns, paddling on a standup paddle board, look at your feet or the tree and thats where your are going to end up.
     
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  19. Sadie

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    This.

    Stand up and head up and let the t bar take you up the mountain.
     
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  20. Sadie

    Sadie Chk Chk Boom Moderator

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    Riding double with a skier can be easier. I’ve found that some skiers start shaking at the thought of riding with a boarder. I can understand if the boarder is a beginner...
    @scullee doesnt mind riding with me...could be that I pinch his bum on the way up though.
     
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  21. Sadie

    Sadie Chk Chk Boom Moderator

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    Ooohh going downhill would suck LOL
     
  22. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    It's an interesting experience. Rode a T like that between France & Italy.
     
  23. DbSki

    DbSki Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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  24. zac150

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    Not sure I’d be all that comfortable challenging them either
     
  25. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah it was weird as I hadn't thought about it for years as I've happened to have a partner always.
    Quickly remembered.
     
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  26. Marty_McSly

    Marty_McSly Backwards to the future! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Might also have something to do with the similarity in height




    :out:
     
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  27. Marty_McSly

    Marty_McSly Backwards to the future! Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm happy to share with a boarder, any time, as I hate riding a T solo. I will always ask first though, if a boarder is confident sharing a T.
     
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  28. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    Same. But sometimes they don't like sharing because they're worried they'll take you out also if they fall. Not gonna happen!
     
  29. Marty_McSly

    Marty_McSly Backwards to the future! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep. Lots of experience in your case, lots of inertia in mine. :D
     
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    Don't worry, I've got my own fair share of inertia!

    LOL
     
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    Why do people seem to think that the T has to be horizontal? I'm 6'2" and I can ride a T-bar easily with a 10yo, just by angling the T.
    And a tip for skiers riding solo - if you feel like you're sliding off the bar, grab the end of the T behind your butt and sit on the hand. That will take away the slippy feeling and have the added benefit of warming your hand - more so if you fart a couple of times on the way up.
     
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    Make sure the kids are having a good day and getting along (no fighting) when you next get them to have a go. Mine can be feral on the tbars together some days (literally will spend the whole ride trying to hurt each other or pushing the other one off) . Otherdays they are little angels. LOL I have ski school to thank for their mastery of tbars. They can load faster than me on eyre!
     
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  33. southpaw

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    I’ve decided to put them in ski school for a few days next week with a special request for intensive t bar training.
     
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    Great idea. Kids seem to behave better for the instructors than they do for us and try harder. Good luck. Knowing kids they will master it quicker than us adults. :thumbs:
     
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    Best way. Our two cracked them last year via ski school (5 and 7 at the time). The instructor took them to Piper and after 3 runs they were absolutely fine, with the added incentive of the jump park on the way down.
     
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    I rode a brand new T-bar for the first time in decades last season . . . in New Hampshire near Boston. Was glad there were a few people to watch to remember how it's done, most were seniors first thing in the morning since it was midweek. But there were a few families with young kids too. Odd to be all plastic instead of metal. Used to have a chairlift but it was often on wind hold. What's unusual is that all the trails at the summit are groomed blues.

    Haven't seen a T-bar in the Rockies. But there are a few pomas around that are "commuter" lifts. The one at Telluride is so slow and short that a boarder who fell off (twice) walked it faster than the poma riders. Big Sky has a steep poma that gives access to some slopeside condos.

    Waterville Valley T-bar at the summit, March 2019
     
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    Slow Poma = Monkey Bar at Falls Creek. That thing is painful. It has half a perch that wobbles around on the cable and is so slow that you are almost not moving. It’s a balancing act.
     
  38. Marty_McSly

    Marty_McSly Backwards to the future! Ski Pass: Gold

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    That's the sort of poma they have at Perisher. A beginner lift that's the first step off a carpet.

    Lakeside was a bit of an eye opener for me.
     
  39. Sadie

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    Did you ride International? It is Australia’s only triple black diamond run.
     
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    there used to be a T at Breckenridge

    just checked the trail map and it's still there
     
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    After reading this last night, it came back to me instantly today. Was going through trees under Excelerator and faffed a bit, stopped looking where I was wanting to go and ended up making a tit of myself in front of some Olympian mogul folk from France. As an aside, it was great watching them and other nationalities training today.
     
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    Watching the French team from the chairlift was great, there was some seriously talented skiers.
     
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    So many people had no idea how to ride it!
     
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    nope always insisted they share and that i would teach them to share.

    Helped when i was in uniform!
     
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    There is one at Whistler
     
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    Smiggin’s is certainly the place to learn. Start with the Poma and when they are comfortable move over to the T-bar. Generally no major que so if you fall off, nothing lost.

    Our 7 and 11 year old, who are now both very competent t-bar users, are next too impossible to get on a t-bar together, afraid they will knock each other off. Prior to this year I would typically take my youngest between my legs. Most lifties will let you do this.

    Failing all that, as many people have already said, 3 runs and your kids will be masters.
     
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    Marty_McSly Backwards to the future! Ski Pass: Gold

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    I didn't get over that side unfortunately. I was carrying an ankle injury and had to take things a bit easy. Probably best that I did, I understand that your mending leg has caused you some grief on International. :D
     
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    There's a few at Whistler Blackcomb, and one on Whistler mountain that you have to hang on to the T until it goes around the bull wheel. It caught me out the first time.
     
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    How old were the people having issues with the Breck T?

    Still T-bars around in the northeast U.S. Probably none left at the three midwest ski areas that Vail Resorts bought and added to Epic a while back. The one U.S region I haven't skied at all is the midwest. Maybe when I get Epic for a season to check out Colorado more I'll go visit relatives in the midwest during the winter.
     
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    LOL Only for the first load. It almost rocketed me to Mars and I wasn’t prepared. Second attempt I was ready for it.
    Hope your ankle is ok.