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Advice needed Kosi-Kiandra, ski/boot/binding setup?

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Nicko4334, May 15, 2020.

  1. Nicko4334

    Nicko4334 Hard Yards

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    Hey Folks!

    What are your general thoughts? I'm re-entering the sport after some 3 decades and someone changed everything!
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    It would be a lucky set of dates and weather to be skiing the whole way these days. So lots of walking might need to be in the plan.

    If I was just doing the traverse as a wandery tour with pic stops and poke about in the gentle terrain only and plan the stay high as much as possible I'd think really hard about NNNBC kit.

    Other wise I'd use my standard NTN telemark rig. But that could easily be regarded as overkill for the journey but know I'd be looking for the downs with pleasure. Tho the skis and bindings are very light the boots are a little heavy in this kit. And take a pair of sandshoes for the walking.
     
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    bluestick One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Excursions, Annums, light but strong 3 pin or cable ( e.g voile hardwire or 3 pin cable). You could go down from this nnnbc and eons. A number a fit guns Do it on skating skis in a day. Need to pick ya day though.
     
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    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah lots changed in three decades, much less snow.
     
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    You'd have to be lucky to avoid any walking, but we walked only a couple of hundred metres a few years ago, and the following year it was snow all the way. Still, you need to have boots that are proven to be comfortable, and to take supplies to deal with blisters. Last time I did it I had mega boot problems, despite never having issues with them before.

    What you definitely do want is pattern bases, and not IMHO/IME smooth bases + skins and/or waxes. I'd definitely still take minimal skins in case of ice, but gave up on grip waxes around 1984.

    FWIW, I'd be reluctant to take NNN-BC or the Salomon equivalent unless travelling light and fast, with consistently good conditions expected. The limiting factors will be deep, heavy new snow, crust, and ice, all of which are easier to deal with on some sort of plastic boots. On the other hand, BC gear is lighter and faster (but the boots are likely colder too).

    If I wasn't in a massive hurry I'd take the Vector BCs and TLT5Ps, but YMMV. Realistically, K2K can be done on just about any gear, with appropriate technique and/or caution.
     
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    Go tech bindings with tech boots on Annums patterned base, taking kicker skins and full skins.
     
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    Over the years I’ve skied it 4 x, left, right and centre both ways N-S, S-N.
    Hopefully again in the next few years.
    These days I’d take my Karhu Guides (Annums) tech AT bindings and light AT boots.
    If on telegear, the same skis, Voile Switchbacks with Excursions / T4s or Meidjos / TTS with a light? NTN boot.
    Kicker skins too.
    IMHO NNN doesn’t let you enjoy the downs very well with a big pack.
    Voile Vector BC are a great toy also or the other way Eons.
    And single malt.....
     
  9. satanas

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    FWIW, I'd be reluctant to take tele gear these days due to more weight and limited ROM in the boots, plus less control than AT too. Both (light-ish) AT and BC will be quicker and less restrictive. If tele, *definitely* Switchbacks or similar, not non-free-pivot bindings. Still, diagonal stride is more efficient with decent AT gear these days. Maybe one day there will be a new tele boot with decent ROM for touring, but there's been nothing new in several years. :-(
     
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  10. mholling

    mholling One of Us

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    Would a tech binding and light plastic boot work well with such a ski, for distance-oriented touring such as K2K? (I have bad memories of plastics from my time in T4s.)
     
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    There's a lot more alongy than downy.
     
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    Absolutely a fantastic light touring rig
    @ecowain can verify too
     
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    ecowain One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Yes works well.
     
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    Yes and some uppy. :thumbs:
     
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    Yes. I've done a fair bit with Vectors, Kingpins and TLT5P boots. Last attempt at K2K had T4s savaging my feet, and I've seen no downside to a bit more ski width either - the Vectors are way better than Boundless/S-Bound 98 in anything soft, deep or crusty. (Both these skis were the widest pattern-based ones available when I bought them, but even the Vectors are starting to look narrow(-ish) these days.)
     
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    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    But less uppy than alongy.
     
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    Yes indeed!
    If It was was more uppy that alongy, it'd be a fair climb, more than 114,000 metres up.
    Quite the adventure!
     
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    ^ That's more than five times up Olympus Mons, but I guess access is a tad simpler...
     
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  19. climberman

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    Nick (Jules here) - what’s your aim for a trip (time/speed)?
     
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  20. Nicko4334

    Nicko4334 Hard Yards

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    Slow. Real slow. Multi day with side trips to the J, Tabletop etc
     
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    I'd think glide would be handy.... But I'm attracted to the whole alpine descending thing. Re learning tele turns.... I haven't the time frankly.
     
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    You can get pins (AT tech binding) to glide quite well with practice & attention. Well worth the trouble.

    I think you have now got your ski kit planned. Just need to fill in the blanks as to exactly what products.

    I trust you have a blank cheque lying about, it makes this next bit a lot easier.
     
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    Then something 95mm underfoot with a modern shape, matched to pin bindings at the lighter (but not race) end of the market, and boots at the lighter end as well but not super light or race light.

    Skis not over 3,000g / pair
    Bindings not over 500g each
    Boots not over 1,600g each (aim at a modern 1,300 to 1,500g boot)
    Skins to match skis

    This will do a nice tour and you will then be also able to do any other multi day touring /day trips/yo-yo/DHG/corn harvest uses you want from them.

    You will also need to work out if you are going to walk in the ski boots or take sneakers for Happy Jacks Plain etc. Depends on the cover and forecast I guess.
     
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    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    To it this in price perspective for the above (may need to add postage):
    Skis: $800-$1200
    Bindings: $450-$850
    Boots: $950-$1,200
    Skins: $220
    Gliding off the back of The Big J: priceless
     
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    For anything in the pattern base, skating, chookfooting arenas, I have no idea.
     
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    My current quest. To reduce the skins on skins off on rolling ground out of CP.
     
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    You can have a Tele set up and just do parallel turns no need to learn to Tele. Plastic boots and cable bindings give plenty of control for this.
     
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    I’m getting a pair of Scarpa F1’s and currently have Sbounds 125 with ST Radical. I can get a pair of Annums and bindings that are half the weight of the radicals but still can’t get a really good indication of which ski is better. The use is for covering ground quick and stopping for down if the snow is fun. HELP.
     
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    The Annums with Tech boots are great - with kicker skins the ups & downs are awesome - 30k + days are very feasible.

    The weight gain if combined with tech bindings & boots, plus more control on the steeps with a wider ski offset the loss on distance on the flats.

    As for tele vs. AT with a patterned base - I cheat on the rolling downs by skiing with a locked toe and pseudo-tele technique to avoid added transitions.

    AT gear is SO light nowadays - when combined with a light & firm ski one is only going to preference tele for fun - i. e inbounds, or short terrain trips in awesome conditions, as opposed to average mixed Oz tour conditions.

    Lets face it patterned bases are already a compromise, so taking that compromise to its logical conclusion makes sense.

    Frankenbindings?
     
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    If flat more than vert the narrower S-Bounds, If vert more than flat then Annums. In all cases the lightest binding & boot given distance...
     
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    I’m thinking the answer to the OP is a fully sick rando race set up.

    It ticks all the boxes.

    You know it’s right.

    wadaya got @CarveMan ?
     
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    +1
     
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    Chaeron A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I reckon go full Dynafit skimo - including the fleuro race gear.
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    ATK for the win.
     
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    Chaeron A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    If only there was such a thing as a rando patterned base ski (In between an Epoch and Eon in width, a bit more for the downhill than a XC hybrid, with a decent metal edge and designed explicitly for an AT boot motion - ( i.e. not a tele ski)

    Why do you rate ATK above Dynafit race bindings?
     
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    Yeah we’re not quite in that world, ATK Haute Route would have been good but we’re out of them and working on the next order, they’re made in the shadow of the Ferrari factory in Northern Italy so they’re just re-opening.

    We don’t stock a ski in that rando world, maybe the BC Ova that we have in a short length for light women, their Vastus might be a better option.

    As for boots that’s getting super niche with very little demand, most of the people post in this thread, and if you stock the Scarpa, people will want the Dynafit, and if you stock the Dynafit, people will want the La Sportiva etc etc.
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Made with love, passion & madness.
     
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    They’re beautiful, I would have loved to have put a Crest on my Camox. I’m actually very happy with my G3 Zed but there’s nothing like Italian machined aluminium.
     
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    Decided on these for the boss.
     
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    Chaeron A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    If Italian ski bindings are anything like some of the Italian beers I’ve had I’m in.

    But where/ how do the specs or performance ‘objectively’ exceed the Austrian product...? Maybe a discussion for another thread......
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    What is this need for, how you say “discussion“?

    Find some and have a fondle and all will be revealed.
     
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    Chaeron A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Agreed - See you out there - looking forward to touring my new set-up

    - DPS Cassiars, Dynafit ST Rotation 12’s and Technica Cochise 130’s.

    Haven’t upgraded the knees yet....
     
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    90 grams
     
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    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    It’s insane isn’t it?
    I’d love to try one of those race boot/ski/binding/skin combos one day
     
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    Chaeron A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Fair enough - However for the curious -

    https://www.atkbindings.com/en/brand-2/

    https://www.oicompass.com/corporate...-gimec-merge-to-form-atk-sports/82321.article

    ATK benefit from the capital, industrial capacity and technical know-how of a 45 year old successful parent tooling company working in the Italian motor industry - producing gear box and brake components.

    That’s enough of a decent high end milling and metallurgic materials engineering base to make decent work of expiring patents, plus some indulgent owners with enough capital and a fixed cost base to indulge experimentation by the 2nd generation...

    Definitely worth closer examination...
     
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    So who sells these in oz
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I bought my ATK Newmarks out of a telemark shop in France.
     
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    Sport Conrad, Telemark Pyrenees, Snowinn are international retailers that potentially ship into Oz.
     
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