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Discussion in 'Europe' started by CarveMan, Dec 1, 2018.
I agree a million % but kids nowadays seem to be a bit soft and unless they had a job lined up with award wages and somewhere to live most wouldn't do it .
That is the impression I get from reading posts on here about jobs in the snow for the season .
Cause they have mum cooking/cleaning and ironing for em at home
there are certainly kids who do it still, not necessarily at La Grave. One guy I know took off for canada after Year 12 with no job lined up. Found that shovelling snow was a winner for a hard worker.
added later: very bright kid, private education. family quite comfortable
Is that terrain accessible from the cable car, or is it hike to?
In the movie or CM's post? The stuff accessible off the cablecar is another planet. I'm not sure I would go there to ski, despite desperately wanting to be good enough. It's.... I dunno. It just is.
Movie, but that was my point.
The stuff I did was straight off the lifts or a mild hike, some of the stuff in the movie had pretty serious hikes.
But there's plenty of intense terrain with little or no hiking.
Here's a good list of some of the routes: https://www.skierslodge.com/the-skiing-2/legendary-routes/
On that list I've done Pan de Rideau, La Vaute, Trifides 1, Banane, La Rama, and we tried to do Les Enfetchores but the snow in the valley over the back of La Grave was heinous so after a few turns we put on our crampons and hiked back out.
You should go. Just for 2-3 days and ski the stuff off Vallons and Chancel. Great solid terrain and plenty of ambience montagne.
2-3 days. Or a year
Yeah well that's the other option, get in with a local crew, not everyone will be fully sick hardcore, and ski every day.
After watching that I repeated to CG that I reckon a ski trip based out of Briancon would be a real winner.
Is there a famous Chips Run?
+1 is wondering why the Briancon appeal?
Shit ton of good skiing in the area. Plus it's a cool looking old medieval town. I've been through a couple of times and got a bit of a vibe.
There's some really good skiing in the South Alps with relatively few crowds.
Some of the stuff was certainly just off the gondola, but most would certainly have been a combination of a traverse, hike, rappel. I only did the relatively easier stuff from the lift with short a traverse or hike, but that was enough for me. The thing is La Grave there is no concept of inbounds or outbounds, it is all just mountain - under the lift, away from the lift, and all skiable depending on your imagination/skills.
Completely agree - this is exactly what Erin smart did when she was 17 and came straight from school in the USA by herself to ski (related to Miles the Cham guide), Erin is the only female international mountain guide in the burea at la grave. http://erinsmart.com/about/
I’ve been doing 1-2 weeks a year at la grave for the last 8 years and just love the place, there are better places if you are chasing pow but for an overall experience with manynother options nearby when the snow isn’t great at LG you can’t beat it, Spring touring season is also off the charts.
The queue for the gondola was more than massive.
I presume it was taken on some uber special day and added to the vid for the OMFG factor (like the Kosi Chair queue at Easter for the 10 grand egg hunt).
Otherwise you wouldn’t bother every day.
Yeah I never saw it like that.
There was pow when we were there, not all time but pretty decent.
That one was worse than the time I was there. There was always a fair queue for the first one in the morning, but generally was ok after that once everyone disperses to various locations on the mountain. The lift is a bit antiquated and is a bit unusual. It is a pulse gondola with from memory 5 or 6 coming in together so you had to stand in the right locations to board. There would always be a bit of a stir if someone jumped in the one they weren't meant to. They are the old style egg shape one which get quite cramped if you have 6 people with skis and backpacks.
After the first run you normally skied back to the upper station just above the creek to avoid the walk back up the other side and there was very little wait then.
Grab a croissant and take it easy. Euro access style and one run takes half a day
Then it's pub time
and yeah, damn, I need to get there
The entire valley is epic, much more terrain and so much more vast and unpopulated than the Chamonix valley. There are some amazing multi-day ski tours including the tour de la Meidje - the entire Mt Blanc Plateau could fit in to le Parc National des Ecrins about 5 times. And the deciduous larches make for epic tree skiing.
Also from Briancon, there's the entire Queyras to the SE which is even bigger and less populated again.
Some of my best ever tree skiing was at Abries in the Queyras. As you know Jerome is from the South and I think there's huge scope down there.
We're doing Cham in March mainly cos it's familiar and with bub I'm not sure how much skiing we will actually do, so there's plenty of non skiing stuff, but I'd gladly spend a month down South. Guiding fees aside, Cham doesn't cost us much at all, but I think it would be even cheaper down there.
Cham definitely more baby friendly!
There's this little town in the Queyras called St Veran, the highest town in France, which I'd like to stay in for an entire winter. We did some amazing hikes up to peaks overlooking Mt Viso, which i think is the southernmost 4000m peak in the Alps.
Maybe this April...
We went out to La Grave in the summer - super cute town, and I can see the terrain is crazy... after seeing it not sure I have a death wish and want to ski it.
Love how the valley is so steep - almost feels like you can touch both sides of the valley in places. And the town roads are so steep they have ropes to help get around... needed in summer too!!
Motivation to visit rising
I think this is my favourite La Grave pic:
Cheese and death.
I was surprised how busy it was over summer. Full of cyclists slugging up and down the roads. Made me appreciate ski lifts... carry my sss up the hill and just point down
A little reminder
Baguettes would obviously be available and maybe some salami in that van.
Yeah who'd want award wages ay. Kinda bullshit old man talk though. 20 years ago I was doing seasons here and in NZ and did any job I could find. Plenty of kids doing the same now.
On topic, I wish I'd went to La Grave. I thought it had closed down.
Looked like it might but then the lease was secured by its rich neighbour.
I had the pleasure of spending a season in nearby Alpe D'huez and a summer and the first few months of the winter in Les Deux alpes. I did a bit of climbing around the village of La Grave in summer and also some rafting..
My intention was to cut my teeth as it were in the area however 3 weeks before i moved out to Les deux alpes from london i met my now wife and decided after a few months in LDA that i was going to chase this young lady who was now in Japan. I was informed by her parents that they believed the only reason i was there was because i wanted to be in Japan. I told them they obviously hadnt heard of La Grave...
Still havent skied it, luckily a lot of friends still in LDA
Toby is off to Europe this summer, go with him!!
How was the climbing? Alpine and tech rock or where you mainly alpine?
With a sound guide, you can pretty much scout out lines like this any day anywhere in Les Ecrines or Queyras.
This day we climbed the Col Galibier, up to the right - but there were solid skin tracks like this everywhere.
@Budgiesmuggler I think we stood near the same spot. LG skiing is amazing.
We need more La Grave pics. From this Feb
One of many options.
Pelle Lang guiding.
Glacier skiing. Snow conditions were very grippy. Need to straight line for max speed to exit the big dip (can't see it here).
French guide says "if you crash in ze dip it will take you 30 mins to walk out. We are not waiting for you".
I couldnt keep up with him if i tried haha. Flashbacks of the first time i went down summit following him.
This one from memory was only a bit of traverse away from the gondola.
A bit of powder another short traverse away from the lift.
The run down to St Christophe. A short hike from the top of the top lift, then a very long run down the valley with an obligatory creek crossing. Stop if St Christophe for lunch then a taxi trip of 30-40mins from memory as you are in a completely different valley,