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Lack of Technical Steeps- Thredbo vs Perisher vs Hotham

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by NotCody, Apr 28, 2021.

  1. NotCody

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    As a Mexican advanced skier, I am used to Hotham, which has a few steeps that have some technicality and are double blacks, like Mary's Side. Buller has some nice steep mogul runs too.

    I've moved to the ACT and am wondering are there any runs in NSW with any real challenge ? Looking at the trail maps, only kamizake is a double black and thredbo has none... :(
     
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    I have never Skiied at Thredbo in my life, but my dad who has skied at Perisher since he was 6 says that Funnelweb is one of the, if not the trickiest runs in Australia. its long and steep. Someone who skiers there more regularly would be able to give you a better idea on that front.

    In regards to perisher, Kamikaze is great, Rockgarden and Parachute (but it never really opens), going off North P T-bar you can find a huge array of steep with rocks and trees and technical things in the way, just have to be prepared to explore and go off the beaten track a little bit.
    No, there are no real Double black diamonds, but there is plenty of steep technical.
     
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    Technical steeps

    Perisher:
    The Rock Garden and Kamikaze area is really the only "falling not advisable" runs where you can mix up lines to increase the "steep factor".
    Climb up from Olympic finds a nice sustained line.
    Hip check rock at Guthega.
    A line or two out Double Trouble way
    Smiggins cornice

    Thredbo:
    Maybe a few turns up high in powder bowl but usually stymied by a rope off, trees n rocks increase difficulty.
    A couple of turns on Frank's face where the challenge is to actually make a couple of turns.
    A line out of Kosi chair towards the bluff dependant on snow formation.
    Hidden place off Super Trail
    Another off Snow Gums
    Merrits Falls from top
    Cannonball
    Sponars Rock into Creek
    Funnell Web maybe

    None of the above compare with Hotham or Buller "steeps". Pretty hard to find good sustained technical steep in NSW resorts.

    Hotham is awesome when it's on.
     
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    Hotham is the schizzle - you may be disappointed when hunting for in-bound steeps in NSW. Kamikaze / Rock Garden / Chance are all good, but pretty hard to lap on a sunny weekend in August. #11amRidgeQueue
     
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    No real serious in bounds double black in NSW. Kamikaze really is not worth a double black most of the time, but in certain in conditions it is - nearby Rock Garden IMO has some slightly trickier turns in one or two spots. Olympic has a short punchy top.

    There are short unmarked technical pitches you will find soon enough if you explore but nothing sustained in bounds. Easily accessed steeps from resort areas to my knowledge is pretty much Stanley's Gorge at Thredbo. It is out of bounds but easy to get to but can take some effort to get out of (that effort increases rapidly if you use the wrong exit strategy) and slides from time to time. Take someone who knows the lay of the land in Stanley's if you go otherwise bush bashing will be your thing for a good hour or four.

    If you ski tour there are betterer options that I know not, others with more experience beyond the boundary might (or might not) tell more.
     
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    It's not steep steep, but as a Victorian who spends half his life in Bull Run Bowl and the Buller Chutes & has had some good times in the Hotham steeps like Coles Bowl and Lindsays etc, I enjoy the skiing off the Ridge chair at Perisher. There's some good fall lines and sustained runs, and it feels like the chairlift goes up in an area where many feel like they just go forwards.
     
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    From my experience as a Mexican Hotham/Bulla lover, the NSW resorts have a different feel. You won't find Hotham steep bowls or Buller long black fall lines. You will find generally more reliable snow cover with fast morning snow from the colder NSW nights, also with the plus of the associated snowmaking. Wind blown stashes any time the wind picks up. Plenty of space to avoid the crowds when you learn the secret spots. And rocks, lots and lots of big rocks, that often make the run much more technical. I've had more big stacks at Thredbo than Hotham over the last 50 days at each.
     
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    Inbounds at Thredbo Funnel web and the second/lower section of CGB followed by the exit runout are fairly demanding. The Schuss (when skiable) and around Michael’s mistake are also fun/challenging.
     
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    I forgot the Schuss at Thredbo which is a challenge for many reasons but now the chair has been removed not so much.
     
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    Depends what your take on "steep" is but nah, nothing unless you head out the main range.
     
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    FWIW I grew up in Bright and skied many many days at Hotham. After discovering the Nuances of Thredbo i would choose the Bo over Hotham in good snow any day of the Week.
     
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    Yep Hotham has better steep terrain than anywhere I’ve skied in Australia. Hands down. No question.

    But both Thredbo and PB have some fairly steep terrain. Neither are entirely flat. I’d happily enjoy skiing all of them, and have many many times.
     
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    I get more scared skiing super trail on a busy day. Not even lol. That’s just the fact.
     
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    That's why you must leave it alone and move over further to the juicier runs. ;)
     
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    You have it in a nutshell: "Discovering the nuances of Thredbo". I have gone to the dark side many a time but have failed to get the high I was hoping for? I reckon you need a local skier to show the ropes at the Bo.
     
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    Pull out the pocket map and go for it.
     
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    Or....follow the Ski Patrol. ;)
     
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    Very little is "technical steeps" and nothing on resort funnels to narrow creek crossings and very steep side traverses.
     
  19. Billy_Buttons

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    The creek at the bottom of Little Beauty in the early melt is a great trap for the inexperienced Bo skier. No. 1 son went for a swim during one of his lessons in his early youth! LOL
     
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    Hardly compares, blue run in the melt
     
  21. Billy_Buttons

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    Sorry...got off topic.

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  22. SMSkier

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    I once thought that the run off the J Bar at Smiggs was steep. Blardy steep and scary. So much so I declared skiing was dangerous and stupid!!!

    Fast forward about 4 decades - maybe it was not so steep but a few times each ski season I go back - it keeps me grounded recalling how petrified I was.

    Steep and technical opinions is going to differ for everyone IMO.

    Couple of seasons back I was BC skiing out off Club Lake and surrounds, with some very good skiers as part of the Arc’teryx crew. I was not one of the good skiers.

    First drop in, for a few moments, memories of the Smiggs episode came flooding back. Turned out ok but I initially thought that was steep. Others just jumped, hooted and then were gone while being filmed.

    It all relative......
     
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    So much this!!
     
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    Elevator
    /thread
     
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    Not that steep. I've skied it on cross country skis.
     
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  26. DidSurfNowSki

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    OK then, Perisher towers run, early season on the manmade about 3pm.
     
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    Pony ride carpet :) 2014

    Went back the following year and went wow this thing is flatLOL
     
  28. SMSkier

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    I rest my case. It’s all relative. :thumbs:
     
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  29. Telemark Phat

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    I've only ridden pony ride when working. Otherwise I just skate up the hill.
     
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    Many years ago when Mrs cqen2l was 4 months pregnant with #1 son we managed to stray onto a very icy and rock hard funnel web. Fairly new to skiing and an FNQer she was, well, distressed. Eventually got to the base, straight to the pub where she downed a bottle of bubbly. Child is good. Wasn't happy with me. In my defence, first trip to Thredders
     
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    I've friend who's a Spanish Instructor and when she first started at Perisher she asked me how to ski to Guthega. I told her about pleasant view. When she tried to first take a guest she turned left too early and took her low intermediate guest down Double Trouble.
     
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    I don't get the "steeps" thing inbounds.
    Just means they'll be rutted crappy moguls as people ski across the fall line.
     
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    Fair effort that.
     
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    Imo nope. At least not more than three turns worth. And nothing without a walk of some kind.
     
  36. jonathanc

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    pfffft that's nothing - I've done it on a snowboard
     
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    Respect if you used your toboggan properly and sat down on it.
     
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    He may have had to post posthumously....
     
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    My first days skiing was on the one run that is still just as scary as an experienced skier. Front Valley.
     
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    At least it was open and had snow on it ... :p:p:out:
     
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    Every year, every run can be different, especially when you get frequent dumps. The inbound runs can completely change as groomers don't do a lot of grooming when there's dumps. 1981 :D
     
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    My first day involved nutcrackers.

    Far scariest!
     
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    Did Mary’s slide get rounded up to a double black?
     
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    Goats Gully in the afternoon. Not steep but technical. Love the t-bar crossing.
     
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    Not as bad as it used to be...
     
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    Wow that’s awesome - on soft boots and Xc skis ??? ? . I’m presuming club lake is about as steep as main chute of blue lake ?

    Thanks for all the knowledgeable opinions, looks like I’m def touring more this season.
     
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    As good as place as any to post it...

     
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    The beauty of thredbo for me is not the steeps but the stashes
    The bluff after a big blow from the NW, with knee-deep winblown powder. The Bowl after a dump. The steep face below The Tors (as steep as you want to go - shame it's only 30m long).
     
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    For those of us not familiar what hill are the pics from. Obviously not backcountry as I can see a lift. Obviously Australia because of the snow gums. Mt Buller?