If things get desperate then just walk around to Keppels ....have a bbq..overnight sleepover and some good wine etc etc. Then report in for a hamburger with the lot by wood heater at the Igloo Buxton! The guy at the igloo is convinced the members of the ski forum are all crazy!
You can do as I did and drive up to JB plain, park for free and ski some fresh tracks between Dinner Plain and Hot Ham. It is not a day trip , but I am planning to repeat the XC ski fix , over 3 nights with snow camping at JB Hut.I am already looking at the calendar and the weather and snow forecast for another trip along those lines. LM , Mt.Stirling and Mt.St.G. are not delivering day trip XC skiing thus far , so If the snow will not come nearer to me then I will go further to the snow.
It’s been snowing...Lake Mt may do well today with that frontal system about to pass through there this morning. As to road status? We better hear from Teckel as to accessibility .....through Black Spur and up to Lake Mt. Are there any issues with Vic Rds? Temps are slightly negative ....
I am watching to see if there will be enough snow to XC ski on at LM tomorrow . I will decide as of 1630 today. Meanwhile the Mt. Buffalo snow camera is having a ' rest'. TBJ at Mt. Stirling got some good snow judging by their snow camera. https://www.ski.com.au/reports/australia/vic/lakemtn/index.html The LM Trail condition photos are from a few days ago. The best indicator is whether the car park at LM has snow on it and the rooves of the buildings as seen in the roving panorama camera.
The cams looked promising. Looks like team EB is just going to bite the bullet and go up tomorrow. We'll try to arrive well before 9am to avoid nuff nuffs driving in the Black Spur. lol
I do hope the LM report gets updated TODAY. Malvern East being covered in hail as I type which should mean snow at LM this sfternoon. Buller updated their report at midday and I expect will again this afternoon. That's how to do it! Letting us know what the conditions are in a timely manner. Getting all the family's xc ski gear together for a first ski of the season tomorrow is an effort so we need to know by this arvo if it's worth the packing effort, going to bed early, getting up early and fuelling over 4 hours of driving there and back and paying the gate entry $$. Y'all know the drill. Without a clear view of snow cover on the trails by 5pm we won't bother. I don't think we're alone there. Not confident that the current LM resort management gets that. A live cam on a strategic trail point would be lovely. Regardless, I hope it's snowing up there significantly this afternoon.
Road closed. Idiot 2WDs without chains coming to grief at Tommys Bend. Or so we've been told. So resort closed for the rest of the day for all incoming vehicles.
I do not think the Numero Uno who presently is in charge of Lake Mtn. knows anything about what XC skiers require to ski or how to run a Nordic ski resort . We cannot blame that person for nuffs nuffs out for a weekend drive in snow and ice conditions coming to grief. It is to be expected, I am sorry to say. We need 10 cms of snow minimum to ski on, a snow camera to show us the trails in real time and not just some hope that there is enough snow to ski on without any evidence!. I think The Circuit road at Mt. Stirling could be worth the drive for some rock hopping. At least the snow cam at TBJ gives us a real time image!!. https://www.mtstirling.com.au/snow-report/ Look at the up to minute snow report for Mt. Stirling 14 cms from TBJ to Howqua gap!!!. We are on having game on up there !!!
Mt.Stirling has the goods, 14 cm fresh cover and still snowing along from TBJ , out on the Circuit road to Howqua gap.I am going up on Monday!!!They know how to run a ski resort for Nordic skiers and give out constantly updated information. See the National parks thread for the necessary web links in one post that I made just a moment ago.
I dont know much about it but I imagine its a tough situation running LM. It needs to make a profit to even exist so good management is crucial to getting that bottom line. Being off the grid only complicates matters. Most of their income seems to come from tobbogganeers so, from a business standpoint, it makes sense that they are their primary focus. However with xc it seems to be a catch 22... need more people to go skiing to help cover costs to facilitate better trail reporting (weather it be by camera network or in person). By many xc skiers won't make the day-trip without a reasonable, reliable snow report. Until these issues are fully addressed maybe something like bi or tri daily photos will help. Or at the very least taking and showing the snow depth measurement at each photograph. Idk. Just my 2c. That being said I'm very appreciative of tackle keeping us up to date with the road status!!
Isn't this the Lake Mtn trip report, conditions and pics thread? Thought I was on the weather predictions thread for the last (lost count) number of pages. Now I am on the Mt. Stirling thread.
A fair comment from @Simon11 . @teckel does her best with what facts she can obtain for XC skiers and we thank her for her ongoing assistance. However I want some solid XC skiing and I know where I can get it for sure. So LM won't get my $57 this time around. BUT Next Friday could be a goer at LM. http://www.janebunn.net/lake-mountain
Have we got any reliable info on snow fall at Lake Mt from 1st hand tourers/visitors ... . Team Bears expected that falls would have occurred this arvo....not a “vibe”thing...but looking at cam and temp and radar flow.... It’s a bit more complicated as base was gone ....and we believe there is a groomer problem with Management. Teckel seems to be the most reliable source we have in this forum .... Money outlayed to get up there vs quality of snow and weather and car parking arrangements... I think Teckel can give us info to make that decision.
Well vic road site is, currently, confirming what Teckel said. Inbound road to LM is closed. They are saying "due to heavy snow fall" I wonder if the road will be open Monday mornin given the snow falls are expected to increase....I hope so
Thanks...I have not caught up with that event. Is there any likelihood that it will open for Sunday.... or are they just expecting similar conditions to breakout again?
CHAINS REQUIRED FOR ALL AWD AND 2WD TOMORROW (SUNDAY) AT LAKE MOUNTAIN. This is the first time in over 15 years they've been required for AWDs.
Such an announcement is promising for XC skiing conditions but consider the Mayhem from a bigger quotient of Nuff Nuffs out for a Sunday slide on their toboggans and then in their cars..... off the road. I am going to Mt. Stirling on Monday.
Do you think there may be enough snow for them to get groomers over? Im tempted to head up anyway (early and be gone by tome tourista arrive!)
IMHO with no base I would not gamble it. I skied there on June 20th with @chriscross and it was barely skiable with 9 cms. I hit rocks and vegetation and the PB on my skis became caught on the hazards and sent me flying. @Equator Bunny was there too that day and she was not that impressed with the coverage either.At Present Mt. Buffalo has 5 cms= Not skiable. Mt.Stirling 's circuit road has 14 cms and still snowing at TBJ. MSG has 6 cms=Not skiable . I am banking on TBJ getting more cover so that the resort at Mt.Stirling might groom it for skaters and Classic PB plodders like me. Falls Ck. should be good on Tuesday once the front has passed and more XC terrain is groomed .
I think there will be. It snowed heavily all day today. Some of my skiers went up on the trails and liked what they found, so it should be good. Just get there early.
Fair enough , don't listen to me , I just like driving long distances to ski , surf and bushwalk in the best available conditions ;-P . Whoever does go for a ski up there ,if they could give us a trip report then that would be fabulous. We are not getting much information from the LM resort. Their trail condition photos are days old , they are not a daily snap shot of the reality on the XC trails. I think next Friday will be an LM XC ski day for me.
Sounds good! Will take a couple of skis so I’m set depending on if it’s been groomed or not! I’ll update on conditions when I can!
Take the Op Shop rock hoppers. Don't muck up your good skis and trash the pattern base if the conditions are marginal. I doubt there will be enough coverage for grooming for skating but who really knows what is going on up there?
I think you’ll find it better than you imagined - thats based on my chat to reception. But tomorrow is definitely a day for wider BC skis, and plenty of warm clothing, Goretex etc... And perhaps a snow shovel, tarp and chains of course. Just hope the road behaves! Low level snow on chains isn't a good outcome for large gum trees!
I really wonder if LM/BB read these pages. I feel like they have no idea how people like me/us are making decisions about whether to go. When it is marginal, which it mostly is, esp at LM, it is worth heading up and grabbing it if there's been fall overnight but sometimes you just dont know and even a live cam at 6.30 in the morning is enough to be able to make the call if the rest of the info has been reliable. LM the last years has been much better, compared to BawBaw which is why our $$'s have gone to LM rather than BB, except when BB has had good reliable cover but their reports have been appalling and completely unreliable. Had hoped to get up to LM tomorrow, but from the information it is not encouraging so we've not packed the gear tonight :-( Thanks to Teckel though and others for posting, much appreciated for the updates that are given.
LM needs a soft drink can on a table with a camera trained on it. Their own table o meter snow gauge!
What has become of the colourful Felix and his video reports of the LM XC ski conditions? . They were great!. Like Borat on Planks ;-P
No. Although ski patrol volunteers get free entry I think. But, I haven't heard boo from ski patrol this year. they advertise around about April. It used to be in the local press, but this year was on Seek only, so many locals didn't even know about it. So use ESP.
The resort could have told us how deep the snow is at the Snow gauge trail point . They could have told us at 5 pm Last night , But they did n't and now some of us have FOMO!.I am looking at going up to LM this Friday. It should stay cold during week with not too much R**n during the week and the place will less busy on a weekday esp. seeing that school term 3 starts tomorrow. http://www.janebunn.net/lake-mountain It seems there is finally enough snow for a usable base for XC skiing too.
I hear you Xplora, I think the XC resorts could all do with a (Insert resort) General Chatter thread. Definitely not wanting to dampen anyone's enthusiasm but every time I look in for a report I don't see one.
A fair comment but as of late until now there has not been any snow to XC ski on at most places. We Nordic skiers have had too much time on our hands NOT SKIING.
Mr Tee your enthusiasm inspires a lot of others so don't stop doing what you do. When I had fully functional knees I was similar to yourself, fired up and champing at the bit to get out there. We skied Lake Mountain when it was more about the XC skiing and interestingly the cost for four XC skiers in one car was higher (I've mentioned this elsewhere). We would go on every weekend that there was ski-able snow other than our annual week at Hotham or elsewhere on the Alpine.
I feel I have chosen wisely to wait until a week day to visit LM this coming week , after this most bountiful gift from above: Real Skiable Snow.Meanwhile Mt.Stirling is going from Good to VG at TBJ with the road open and chains being fitted to ALL VEHICLES. That is a good sign for tomorrow's mission.
It is something the mods can look into and I am not having a go at people. If there is nothing to report then report nothing. We don't really need hopecasts and automatic Jane Bunn forecasts every day as there is a pretty good weather forum running already. I guess I was getting sick of getting alerts for posts with no substance.
I am sorry to learn of your debacle at LM. I have been noticing many somewhat NQR and sub standard differences at LM and how it is being operated this season compared with the bumper season they had in 2018. I have been three times already this season . I get the feeling that Mt. Stirling's management are far more competent and able to comprehend what things are required to successfully operate a XC ski venue so that patrons go home with a smile on their faces. I will report back from Mt. Stirling tomorrow, Insh`Allah. https://www.mtstirling.com.au/snow-report/
Could someone (resort staff or competitor) point me to where I might find the results of the mini series held last weekend and this weekend?
So the reason why AWD was imposed to have chain fitted. The staff elaborated that yesterday they had (most) AWD went all over the shop driving up and down the road. Fair enough. Can't blame the staff for that but they should see if everyone has fitted their chains on. Some people asked the staff whether their car is 4WD (umm.. it's your car tho.)
The car park situation sounds exactly as I would have expected in AU. This was a freak snow fall, no one could have seen it coming... on a weekend no less.. unpossible!...
The gate staff were very unprofessional and unhelpful with the AWD chain condition. Vehicles that are clearly AWD including those with only part-time AWD were let through without chains as long as the driver declared their vehicle was 4WD. That is ridiculous and I think the staff would legally be in breach of their duty of care by doing that after the resort posted the "All AWD and 2WD vehicles must fit chains" condition.The few drivers who were honest about their vehicle status were forced to fit unnecessary chains while the rest of the vehicle same class passed them by chainless. This inane, unfair and random approach cost us another 20 minutes of valuable ski time before the wind picked up and it was another bad moment for an already frustrated carload of experienced xc skiers. Lake Mt this year is a bust. It does not deserve my further patronage. The occupants of our car won't be back until it is clear that the resort and staff are able to function appropriately.
Geez...with Baw Baw and Lake Mt sinking under the weight of mismanagement and no grid power and the weight of masses of snow players and crazy vehicle policies, xc options nearer Melbourne are now down to Gwinear - when the snow level, grooming and weather stars align - and a significantly longer trip to Stirling. With kids'sport on Saturdays a Stirling Sunday gets a bit late home for a family. A family sized heated campervan is becoming attractive to roll up Saturday night and get an early start up Stirling. Like @Mister Tee on XC Skis I'm moving over to the Stirling thread....and the Gwinear thread.
Good move. I think snow players would be better served doing their own thing away from LM at the moment when there is snow elsewhere minus the long delays and the entry fee. Some families had their snowplay for an hour while waiting in the static car queue then they turned around and went home. Their little kids were happy to chuck a few snowballs and slide down the road bank. There are possiby spots on the way to Woods Point past the LM turnoff where a lot of fun can be had with a toboggan and hot chocolate and making a snowperson.
