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Latest addition to summit of Bogong

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Craig D., Jan 16, 2007.

  1. trappers

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    Well Principal and I are having a ding dong email discussion. He seems to condone it (while still distancing himself from it) because there are similar crosses all over the french alps, and I pointed out that most of those crosses are memorial crosses or have some other form of historical significance.

    Either way, my kids won't be going to that school if it has even some of that kind of arrogant evangelical student body.
     
  2. teckel

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    Tell him it's gunna disappear. And wherever they erect similar monstrosities in the alps, there will be a repeat immolation, and you might even wear a white gown and white pointy hood for the purpose. :evil:
     
  3. Fangin'Wolvy

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  5. Fangin'Wolvy

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    Traps, tell him I'm prepared to do a 1000km round trip just for the occasion. I'd not do it if I didn't feel strongly against it in all fairness.

    Also good excuse to venture to the summit for the first time, vandalism or not.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Hmm. Judging from the recent ski "season" it might be better to just...sacrifice that cross hehe
     
  7. trappers

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    It appears principal man doesn't like me any more as I pointed out that by condoning this behaviour by including the article on their website, they are partialy responsible for it, as they indirectly encouraged it.

    Anyway, The school does seem to condone what happened, so stuff em- keep writing to the principal. principal@stac.vic.edu.au
     
  8. trappers

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    BTW here is the transcript of emails to date... -updated-
    Perhaps I was a bit over the top ... but you get the idea [​IMG]
     
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  9. Bogong

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    Good work Traps. They must really be living in a world of their own if they think that this won't offend those who regularly visit the mountain, whether they're locals like ex-cattlemen or tourists like hikers and skiers.

    This same approach of blocking out the real world world and focusing on their own small community is what has given us other religious nutters, notably that mad muslim mullah from Sydney who wants his congregation to have lots of kids so they can die for God in a holy war agaisnt Westerners.

    This silly, selfish, self-righteous, introverted Catholic priest may not realise it, but he has more in common with the mad mullahs than he does with ordinary people. We think about how our actions may affect others, he doesn't.
     
  10. trappers

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    Updated to include the most recent response [​IMG]
     
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  11. Azz

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    Does anyone know what the concrete cross on the Bright side of Hotham village is there for?

    It's about 1 k from the bridge.
     
  12. Vermillion

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    if it did get struck by lightning...ahhh the southpark episode with 'ghosts' and the 't for time to leave' comes to mind. fantastic.

    If someone had died there then that would be ok i guess, or if there had been a serious accident with fatalities it would be acceptable as a sort of 'shrine' like you have on the roadsides at fatals, but no god nut speaks for me, i dont want no nut 'claiming' Bogong for me.

    I see they're from Tynong, bunch of country freaks :p

    My stance: Leave it. Go up there and just pretend its a tree or something, take a leak onto it, hang stuff off it etc. Could also use it for firewood, but it looks like treated pine so dont breathe it in.
     
  13. TeleTangler

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    Its enlightening isn't it. From Trappers thread it certainly seems that the pricipal of the school is condoning an affiliated body breaking the law.

    I wonder if a few emails to the Victorian Education Minister, Premier and the local members of Parliament might be a more effctive way to go. I'm sure a few choice questions about how much public funding a scool that encourages affiliated bodies breaking the law deserves would go down a treat - especially if you copied in our friendly friar.

    These organisations always astound me - they are more than happy to demonise other faiths (see the rant about the Koran on the school's website) but are more than happy to take public money. Money derived from the taxes of hardworking muslims, protestants, buddhists, hindus, confucians, zoroastrians, witches, voodooists(?), druids, Jedis etc etc.
     
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    I dunno guys but I reckon it's much ado about three quarters of sod all and Trappers is going to take ages to untangle his underwear.
     
  15. Fangin'Wolvy

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    C u guys on Wednesday.
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    [​IMG] @ Wolvy
    You gettem girl!!
     
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    FYI a friend of mine who is very involved in service work on Mount Bogong has been in touch with parks (not DSE). Parks are in the process of removing the cross. Knew it wouldn't last two weeks!
     
  18. trappers

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    Good ... tell em who put it up and tell em to send them a bill for its removal.
     
  19. VSG

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    I wonder if Parks will walk or fly up there? Choppers cost $,000's an hour.

    Or maybe we lobby for more permanent access to Bogong's lofty heights... link
     
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  20. Craig D.

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    Noooo! :no: Keep our glorious mountain free of development! I hope the summit of Bogong is only ever able to be reached by people who have worked up a decent sweat getting up there. If you aren't capable of shifting your own @rse up there, then you shouldn't be up there IMO! :tany:
     
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    Amen to that brother!!
     
  22. VSG

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    I should have inserted the [​IMG] emoticon. It was my roundabout dig at the fools who think they can transport what they like to its summit. And the fact its gonna cost the Vic taxpayer for Parks to go up there and remove it. As Andyr tells us.

    [​IMG]
     
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  23. Bogong

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    VSG and Craig. In my role as resident high-country history geek :nerd: you blokes orta see Cleve Cole's 1935 "master plan" for the development of Mt Bogong!

    There are snow pole lines and huts everywhere even a few gondolas, rope tows and roads [​IMG] I'm probably the only Mt Bogong regular here who thinks it would have been fantastic! He managed to get some snowpole lines and Bivouac Hut built before his death in 1936. Planning for Summit and Cole Huts was already underway. Michell Hut was on his plan, as was a large base hut near the treeline on Quartz Ridge. In the late 1960's the Quartz Ridge plan was revived, but the hoo-ha over building Michell Hut scuttled it.
     
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    Interesting, Bogong. I wonder if Clive had properly assessed the environmental constraints of the Bogong plateau - namely, the weather. And how it would affect tows and gondolas. They'd be on windhold most of the season, yes? [​IMG]

    Thank goodness it didn't get up. Early attempts at putting tows and infrastructure into the NSW main range were eventually shut down. Northcote, Kunama Hutte, etc etc. Good thing, too. [​IMG]

    Nice to dream about it, though. [​IMG]
     
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    Anyone here own this page?
     
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    Mark my words today the cross tommorrow the church [​IMG]
     
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    What is it with people and religion? I just don't get it. :rolleyes:
     
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    What a pity that wasn't built.

    It would've been great!
     
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  29. Bogong

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    It would have been called "Hull Hut" and was intended to both provide a refuge in the West Peak area and relieve the pressure on Cleve Cole Hut which was (and is) crowded and over used.
    I haven't seen the plans, (the Mt Bogong Club will have them), but I understand it was to have at least two rooms and would've been rather comfortable.

    I wish the religious enthusiasts who built the inappropriate summit cross would build this instead, or at least rebuild Summit Hut. They're the only ones with the zeal to continue lobbyng in the face of the inevitable obstruction from greenies and bureaucrats who never go near the place!
     
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    Nice addition to this post, Bogong. I often wish this is the way our skifield development went...a few small huts, caretakers, effort and sweat neeed to get there, a few rope tows, no grooming, shchnapps, beer, gluwein by the fire at the end of the day, getting holed up by the weather and having to miss work (!!)...take NSW for example, what a blight on the landscape bloody Perisher is...far better to have continued with the few backcountry huts they had...for gods sake, they were all out there skiing Lady Northcote's Canyon in the first half of last century, and Little Austria etc. how many get out back now?? Instead it's all consumer skiing and mass envornmental destruction. Even NZ has a far more sympathetic attitude to its skifield development...I have read of these plans for Mt Bogong, and yes, they do make interesting reading.....OK, shoot me down!!!
     
  31. Bogong

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    Welcome to our weird little world Andy! Yes, despite what someone said at the end of p 5, Mt Bogong would have made an excellent N.Z. style 'club field'. Basic, but comfortable accommodation, a few rope tows and 100 awesome runs where you have to 'earn your turns' by walking. It has ferocious weather that delivers regular powder top ups but necessitates a few 'weather days' where no-one dares to go outside. Drinks anyone? [​IMG]

    That's why I have such an affection for Mt Mawson, with 4 rope tows and 7 small lodges, its the only club field left in Australia. The Main Range 'club field' only lasted a few years, but Lake Albina Lodge, Kunama Lodge, 3 bush huts and the Mt Northcote tow-house accommodation must have been a terrific little ski community in the mid 1950's. Ahhh... maybe I was born 50 years too late!
     
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    Arrghh ... Another Chockstoner. Welcome Andy
     
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    Thanx for the welcome guys!! Let me know if you're keen for a cimb!
     
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    will be at Buffalo this w/e if you're up say g'day!
     
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    I agree Bob Sinclair,

    Certainly I agree with Trappers' perspective in part but a lot more diplomacy, subtlety and respect could have been employed.
    From my experience it's a lot better way to get your point across and reach understanding on contentious issues.
     
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    Well I believe it was inherently rude of them to arrogantly errect such a symbol on public land! But I don't think I was rude. I make no appologies for what I said, and I think I was relatively diplomatic. I did not attack him personally, I attacked the idea of puting the cross, "How dare you" ... vandalise public land and then have the gall to ask people to "respect" it just because 12 yearolds carry it up ... was a fairly reasonable thing to do! I don't see that as rude, perhaps emotive displaying how angry I am about this, but not rude.
     
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    Fair enough you were emotive as the issue dictates but rhetoric about the pentagram seem a bit OTT to me. Also Muslims have a crescent not a cross but that is by the by.

    The wholes "extraordinarily arrogant" is also rather harsh, it was just the plain wrong thing to do (and this could be articulated with more intellect). These people are obviously zealots and alive with faith and went to make the gesture I don't think arrogance played a part. Other parts of the emails you sent are overly sneering and sarcastic.

    Good on you for at least having the energy to right the wrongs and actually get off your behind and make contact but it was rather coarse in part and I just think when dealing with issues like these to try to take the emotion out, rely on logic and remain in control.

    I'm not having a go at you and don't want to be seen as tearing you down. I guess everyone appraches things differently.

    Not saying I would have done any better or anything at all. Hindsight is an exact science and perhaps things can be done differently.

    Cheers
     
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    Mmmm.. I think we should install the other international symbol that 3/4 of the world is devoted too... [​IMG] :wally:


    [​IMG]
     
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    Trappers, I think you lend the whole affair a gravity it never deserved in the first place. The best you will achieve will be to harden the resolve of a bunch of idiots who might well believe they are fighting for their beliefs with so many people so eager to tear down their icons.

    "Cross goes up. Cross comes down. Game over."
     
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    VSG, i was thing something more along these lines...

    [​IMG]
     
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    Maybe I might cancel my trip to Canada and instead go to Mt Bogong. I hope that's not false advertising Hopey.
     
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    Well..........just got back.
    My knees are stuffed and anyone who makes it to the top n back in one day, ought to be named HERO.
    Cross has been removed on Sunday, I am told by a local who I caught walking down the mountain 1.5km before base @ Cow Camp.
    I decided to go ahead still n venture into the unknown.
    Will have a full report n pics shortly.
     
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    Well done Wolvy! Hope you enjoyed your moment on top of Victoria :cheers:
     
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    I want to do it again, persay 2-3 weeks time.
    Give my knees some time to recover.
    I now know what type of get-up-n-go kit I need, not the blarsted blunnies n denim jeans...pfft.
    Been looking at the NZ made Macpac Sanctuary 700 or better, waterproof needs no shelter. I'm itching to go again, come to think of it.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Congrats Wolvy! I still remember my first ascent of Bogong. It was a special moment for me!

    By the way, I notice that Ranger Kev has kept his head down and hasn't posted on this thread, which is probably wise, considering his job!

    But where is he? Has he been moved? Has he been muzzled from talking to us? He did a great thread on Mt Bogong a few months ago and answered all our questions http://forum.ski.com.au/ultimate/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=003860;p=1#000000
     
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    then a winter trip, Wolvy?
     
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    Oh Oh Oh, count me in if there a winter trip going on. Please take me. (I board, but am getting seriously close to adding a split board to my collection)
     
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    I'd be in a winter trip BUT ONLY and ONLY if I train every second day walking 8kms between now and then. Winter would be harder but not impossible between now and then. Yep I'd be up for it. DEFINITELY.