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Advice needed Maiden voyage

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Signal du Bassia, Jul 16, 2020.

  1. Signal du Bassia

    Signal du Bassia Hard Yards

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    So I finally will go check out the Australian backcountry on Sunday.
    Plan was a very low key skin up to guthega trig and maybe pushing toward Tate.
    I have significant Experience in BC back home but not in Oz. Looking at the snow conditions and weather, is it a good objective? Should I stay subalpine for the first trip? Is this area exposed to wind or ice due to the cold weather after the wet snow we had? Can I access NE aspect line for softer snow?
    Really I’m happy to listen to any intel and recommendations the forum as to offer.
    Seriously very excited to get out the back.
     
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  2. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Might be some walking to get around to the Pass to link over to Tate, but should not be troo far after the recent storm.

    There will be some sketchy spots as you go round.

    The whole loop is a bit over 18km, I think we did over 1000M vertical last time we did this, just can't find the trace to verify right now.
     
  3. Signal du Bassia

    Signal du Bassia Hard Yards

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    Would it more straight forward to go illawong bridge and then Tate ridge toward Gills knobs and back the same way?
     
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    buckwheat One of Us

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    Illawong has knobs on it if conditions are marginal (ie punching through to mint bush) or icy (lots of side hill). But allows better access if heading towards Twynham / western faces. Up to you!
     
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    Reports indicate horrible breakable crust BC at the moment at 50 kph winds forecast on Sunday.
    Probably a good day for low expectations and nice views.
     
  6. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes and no.

    Guthega Trig Consett Stephen Pass Tate Gills Gills Knobs loop is a classic and simpler that via Illawong.

    Use Illawong for your wander after the GT Tate loop when you’ve scoped the terrain from Tate.
     
  7. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    So for that forecast my recommendation would be start at Guthega and do out and back on the Paralyser.
     
  8. Signal du Bassia

    Signal du Bassia Hard Yards

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    Do you climb this ridge?
     

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    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    This ☆

    About the only thing to change between now and Sunday is freeze/thaw/free and an increase in wind.

    If this snowpack was in Europe or USA etc no one would venture near it.

    Spotted a kid at 1900m holding a slab of crust that was small pizza oven size
     
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  10. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    I had a trip intention form filled out to do exactly what the OP said.

    I've had numerous people PM me saying don't do it ! Conditions are horrible !

    So instead I'm skiing Da Bo on Sunday to kick start things for the season. Will also be trying out some new BC camping gear Sat night.
     
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  11. Signal du Bassia

    Signal du Bassia Hard Yards

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    I’m more than happy to scale it back to looking at the snow from the pub.
    Only objective on the day is skin a bit, remember how to do conversion without looking like a clown and get out of Canberra for the day. I have green light for a weekly trip from the family and 2/3 snow months in front of me.
     
  12. Signal du Bassia

    Signal du Bassia Hard Yards

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    Da Bo? Where is this magic place with no crust, no wind and warm blue sky?
     
  13. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes.

    There is a little bridge over the Creek to find to start with.

    You will find sheltered ski lines off the East faces.

    The easier climbing is on the West side of the top of the ridge.
     
  14. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Conditions might be very ordinary. But I would poke my nose out and have look, you can always turn around if it’s diabolical.

    If you turn around, poke about and look at things from the car, map in hand as part of getting familiar with the area and working out future options.
     
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    teckel Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Da Bo = Thredbo
     
  16. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well there goes a weeks entertainment down the tube. ;)
     
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  17. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I should add @Signal du Bassia that @dawooduck lives local to Jindy and spends a fair bit of time at Thredbo so his comments are reliable and from ground zero.

    But my experience is the Main Range is a big place and conditions vary a lot with the different terrain, altitude and aspects. So it is possible to find bearable conditions even when crappy over the larger area. Part of the fun is learning where these are and that is different for different people.
     
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    Myazma One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    The ridge @skifree is talking bout can be viewed on the Guthega live cam middle left. Looks good this morning ( from a distance).
     
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    Overnight freeze so now firmer on firm. Creeks, trees and rock fall should be avoided.

    Suns out, no wind, glorious day.
     
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  20. Signal du Bassia

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    Truly appreciate the inside knowledge Given here (but even me knows that Perisher is down the tube....:D sorry).
    It certainly will inform my decision making on the day.
     
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    nezumi One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    No no, the Tube goes to Perisher.
     
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  22. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Are we digging a hole for ourselves here?
     
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    nezumi One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Sounds a bit boring.
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    But good fitness training.
     
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    Weather glorious yesterday (Friday). No cloud, no wind even on top of Twynam. Enough snow, but crappy icey. Not crusty - frozen. Very strange, the sastrugi pointing east! Enjoyed the scenery, but not the turning. Did a Illawong, Twynam, Anton, Tate east ridge circuit returning down the old lift line.
     
  26. Signal du Bassia

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    Well. I remember with I love mountains. Great way to recharge the batteries!
    We took it super easy on Sunday and follow advice going to the paralyser.
    Loved the skin up. Ski down was tricky at the top with breakable crust (not the best snow for a first day of the season) but softer wetter on the sunny lower slope.
    All in all great day out!
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Nice work, good to read that you did get out.
     
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    No previous experience to compare to but good coverage from 1600m at least. The snow had a small crust on the northern aspect slope in the morning. Would not support my weight skinning.
    Ski some east facing slope from top of paralyser. Crust made it hard to turn (speed and GS turn better choice but lacking commitment for a first day of my season).
    Lower NorthEast facing slope on the way back to guthega had soften. Slow, wet snow but quite nice to ski.
    No new snow until we left at 4PM.
     
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    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Welcome to the australian backcountry. Its only ever nice and fluffy a few times a year.
     
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