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Meidjo NTN

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by lennysan, Aug 9, 2015.

  1. lennysan

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    Anyone tried this new binding, I'd be interested to here from any first hand experience.
    I'm currently riding on Freerides so the thought of shaving a kilo from the weight is very tempting, cos that ski touring pack is always HUGE! Just mounted the spare set of plates on the fisher outabounds in preperation for a four day tour on the mainrange, its a lotta boot/binding for not so much ski, I will report back next week :)
     
  2. Kletterer

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    @Boodwah has an intimate relationship with a pair.
     
  3. Untele-whippet

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    @Telemark Phat has a pair too.
    The actual real weight per pair with the new stronger upgrades is apparently 1040 g, still bloody light.
    I've got TTS which is about the same weight per pair, about 950 g
    http://wasatchski.com/tts.htm
    I really like the TTS, I've only had a few days on them, in bounds and outta.
    Great for tele and parallel turns and touring but still a little Dynafiddly stepping in compared to NTN Freedoms and Freerides, plus no brakes so I need a pesky leash.
     
  4. Boodwah

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    Did first decent (15km, 1000m up) tour on them yesterday, and they tour just like Dynafit.
    Although I broke both of them last week, this was my fault, and having remounted them properly, they're now totally robust.
    I'm new to tele, but these bindings are the biz.
    My only grizzle is the heal-piece which is rubbish.
     
  5. Kletterer

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    Seems like a lot of you are going to the Dark side lately. The Whippet has cast a spell
     
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  6. lennysan

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    Ouch you broke both of them !! pilot error? or are they tricky to mount correctly?
     
  7. Telemark Phat

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    They are the equal best touring telemark binding, along with TTS. I'm not a fan of how the TTS ski where as the Meijdo ski very well.

    The Meijdo is still in beta. I'm having problems with mine popping out of tour mode and I'm slowly dremeling plastic to solve the issues.

    They are the future of BC Tele and i recommend them to anyone.
     
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  8. Boodwah

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    Read a great article about Refugio Frey in some ski mag fairly recently - when are you going?
    @lennysan - check out BC chatter thread a few pages back. I neglected to mount the 'retrofit' which adds strength to the spring pivot.
     
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    Saw a pair at Broken River in NZ. Also apparently there was a sighting at Perisher on the weekend, I assume it was one of you guys.

    Curious, do you lock out the tech toepiece, or can you release from the toe? Looks like it could work out to be a safer tele binding as well compared to the duckbill.
     
  11. Boodwah

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    I haven't released from the toe, although it is possible. There is a springed release mechanism in the duck-but from which I've released appropriately a couple of times. Unlike (what I do anyway) AT tech bindings you don't seem to have to lock the tech toe piece for extra security - you only use the lock mechanism for the toe when in touring mode.
     
  12. Boodwah

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    What i found touring on the weekend is that the boots are now the limiting factor. They are heavy, clunky and nowhere near as flexible as some of the newer light AT boots. I am tempted to try and fashion some bellows into an old pair of Dynafit touring boots...
     
  13. Untele-whippet

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    Get these, you're using resort boots
    http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/scarpaterminatorxtelemarkskiboot-p-77934.html
    Designed for touring.
    Love mine, got then online
    PS: Wilderness Sport in Jindy had them last year but not on their crappy outta date website.
    Bruce!!! I would have bought from you if your website had shown you had then!!!
     
  14. Boodwah

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    I hear what you're saying!
    Some of those Dynafit and Scarpa AT boots are amazing ---- but no bellows :(
     
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    Oh contraire, I hear telemarkers bellowing about their heavy boots everywhere.:)
     
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    If it has a bellows it is a boot.

    If it does not have a bellows it is a box.
     
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    I missed this. Third week of Sept after Interski.
     
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    I was around Perisher on the weekend on my TTS rig, might have been mis-identified if someone saw the tech toe and tele-ing. Green skis green helmet orange jacket. Say hi :)

    Pretty keen on a pair of Meidjos. Felt I couldn't quite justify the money on a first season beta-binding last year but it did have me a all hot and bothered. It looks like what NTN, especially the Freedom, should have been all along (though I've had a lot of fun on my Freedoms).

    Supposedly it takes a standard Dynafit crampon without any fuss, which would be sweet? I haven't sorted out a crampon setup for my TTS rig, and the Freedoms are on skis that don't see much steep hardpack/ice so haven't bothered there.

    -LJS
     
  20. Boodwah

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    Will see if I can dig out the article for u...
     
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    I fractured one of my Meidjos properly today. Probably irreparable.... Very sad.
     
  23. Telemark Phat

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    No good, I fixed my tour mode. What happened.
     
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    oh no!
    I am glad someone is out there stress testing them
     
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    Bang. They look totaled :(
     
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    Why do folks insist on making bindings out of plastic???:blb:
     
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    What's French for a bit of fencing wire?
     
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    I have a pair of Meidjos on a pair of Liberty skis- now I'm scared!!!
    My rig is a pair of crispi evo's on 184 Libery Helix's.
    So far I've only done 2 days on them and they have been fantastic. Coming from G3's I found them no problem to ski straight off- really natural. The tour mode was just awesome out on the razorback. Made skinning out a dream.
    If they last... they are the best binding i've used. If not- a very expensive failure. Boodwah I would love to know why you think they failed and how I may avoid this happening...Apparently the early plastic was suspect and has been redone.
    Really they are awesome to ski though, friends on NTN are trying to come to grips with the constant aggressive nature of NTN, these feel like 75mm but laterally stiffer and release or lock depending on your need.
    My 105mm rig is with 50g of a pair of crossbows (foam core) with basic g3's and so much easier to ski- yet really wide. Boots are also a good factor- they are super comfy, stiff and tour well, but have a touch of heel lift.
     
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    Um because people want lightweight bindings, that are also reasonably priced? And also because plastics have many desirable properties?

    Try make all your gear out of steel, see how that works out for you...Or how about carbon fibre? That's clearly the perfect material that doesn't have any problems.

    Or how about aluminium? The french tried that, but apparently the bindings are as reliable as fencing wire.

    We hear all the innovation in the ski industry is in backcountry gear right now, but it must SUCK to be developing new products. Everyone wants light light light lighter, but of course not much more expensive than downhill gear, and heaven help you if some overweight american on the TGR forums breaks something after hucking a drop at warp 10, because you will never hear then end of your incompetent design and dangerously poor production quality.
     
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    Was just in a turn - had had 3 days prior doing many turns at higher speed and torque, so maybe just fatigue. Since I'm new to tele I don't have anything to compare them to, but i was really loving them. They turn well and tour well. Will write to the company and see what happens...
     
  35. Majikthise

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    Or gaff tape..
     
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    When you see the number of broken plastic parts handed over the counter as I have the only conclusion you can draw is it is a poor materials choice.

    This goes across bindings for all riding methods.

    And I have busted enough plastic myself.
     
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    Not sure of the engineering feasibility but often wonder why they don't reinforce relevant shear and pivot points in plastics. like reo in concrete or the skeleton in us.
     
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    Is there a noticeable difference in feel between something like these, and NTN?
     
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    TTS are just as good on the up as the Meijdo, but I'm not a fan of how they ski. The lateral control is fantastic but they're either too active or too neutral for my taste*.
    *Personal opinion only, may not reflect other user's experiences.
     
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    @Boodwah do you have any video of you skiing? Some styles of telemark certainly put more pressure on bindings than others. The Meijdo may not be ready for your style.
     
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    No vid. Will have to wait now to get any. Basically I've settled in to fast, low, wide turns : that's the way I like it.
     
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    Aha aha..that's the way aha aha..
     
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    I think TP doesn't have the new adjustable cable block? (I may be wrong)
    The new under foot cable block has 3 settings, so as long as you mount it with inserts you can fiddle the resistance factor which I did so now they ski pretty much like my NTN. I've got the cable thru the middle position ---- for me the forward position was way too neutral and I think the rear position would feel like an AT fixed heel lock down ( but I'm a bit of a gurly man )
    The resistance can also be changed by adjusting the cable in the spring cartridges.
    It took me 2 days of fiddling to be happy.
    Great easily deployed 2 height heel lifters too.
    NO PLASTIC.
    My 2 cents
    Typed while having coffee and cake at Black Sallees
    Now off to get some fresh :)
     
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    I've got the adjustable block TW. Bindings which attach to the duck butt just seeem to ski better than ones which attach to the heel. The TTS would ski a lot better if it had a stopper under the toe. The Meijdo would ski better with one too, but the duck butt attachment just seems to not need it as much.

    I'd still choose the TTS over the rottafella bindings, or I suspect the new 22 Designs NTN binding for BC use.
     
  45. Untele-whippet

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    I stand corrected ---- fair enuff :)
     
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    *Personal opinion only, may not reflect other user's experiences.
     
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    I'm not sure you saw my point, I think you're underestimating how much people care about weight and cost. It's impossible to make things that will never break. You have to compromise on strength.

    You could make 10kg pure steel bindings, and someone will still expose them in road salt on the roof racks all winter, store them in a garage next to the ocean in summer open to the sea breeze, be unlucky to get a part on the tail end of the production quality bell curve, and have a failure after a couple of seaons, and then rant on the internet about how crap the bindings are and how they should have been engineered better.

    All you can do is try and keep failure to a low enough percentage for a range of typical use that you have to decide on. Sucks to be in that percentage, but stuff happens.
     
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    Reinforced plastic would be the go I reckon. Wouldn't add too much weight but a whole lot of strength. Might try a repair job whilst waiting for reply from M equipment...
     
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    Sorry sbm, I do understand your points about weight and cost and production. But when you see the same part from different manufacturers broken time and time again. Think heel throws, I reckon every single design has been a failure upon 1st issue. And we are talking about a part common across tele bindings. You'd think in 25 plus years design and production would be at a point where these parts could be designed, tested, re-designed, tested and released to the market in a reasonably reliable form. To date no one has managed this.

    Nerve mind the more complex parts and new forms and shapes demanded by the design progression in bindings. Sure people will always find innovative ways to break things, but I really think that not enough work goes into the basic engineering particularly the plastic parts. The evidence is in the failures.

    I do regret not making a photo record / library of failures as they came through.

    As for testing, do not give beta stuff to fit lean experts, give it to bumbly beginners and really big folks.
     
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    Often it is the plastic selection that is the point of failure. Quite a few bindings suffered failures of one sort or another and the ultimate fix was a change in the plastic selection. For example G3, Telebull Dog and BD all have followed this route.