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Meidjo NTN

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by lennysan, Aug 9, 2015.

  1. Boodwah

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    I got the heal retention device with my last Meidjos and its turned out to be a bit of a waste of money. You can parallel with NTN very effectively, just with a little less torque. I just don't like my heal locked down any more, it feels unnatural. I just want lighter NTN tele boots - that for me is the final branch of the evolution.
     
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  2. Telemark Phat

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    We just need 75mm to die now and the boot manufacturers will be able to invest in new boot tech.
     
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  3. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    75mm will never die!

    Why, that would be like not being able to buy a beta video tape recorder!
     
  4. DPS Driver

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    Do I detect a splinter group. Are the 75mm'ers the real tele skiers?
     
  5. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yea Na, the real Tele skiers are on NNNBC.

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  6. Untele-whippet

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    So last year!
     
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  7. mr

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    yeah when i got the meidjos start if this season i put my old 7tms with tour and release and brakes and all the bits on mrs mr's skis thinking i was being a good man, getting her a rig at last...... i picked them up the other day to shift them to get something. i couldnt believe the weight
     
  8. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Anyone had any compatibility issues with the Meidjo and Crispi boots?
     
  9. Telemark Phat

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    They make it a bit harder to get into, but no comparability issues.
     
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  10. Snow Blowey

    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    All the cool cats are doing untele now!
     
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  11. zac150

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    It’s temporary I tell you!

    Must resist the peer pressure!
     
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  12. DPS Driver

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    Fear not young man, the almighty (whatever flavour you may follow) is humbled by the fact that you pay homage on each turn via your genuflection.
     
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  13. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    My flexor plate is breaking, so I ordered a replacement plus a spare, not knowing they come in packs of 2.:doh:

    So if you need one let me know & I’ll sell you what they cost me (A$140.87 total so divide by 4 = 35.22 each) plus postage.

    Just need to figure out how to get the old one out the new one in now.:blb:
     
  14. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    This is the flexor plate.
     
  15. Boodwah

    Boodwah One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    i broke one of mine and fixed it with screws and epoxy - but afterwards would have happily paid for a new one
     
  16. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    And this is what it looks like when you decide to run Meidjo s on the skis set up for ATK Newmarks.
     
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  17. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thats 23 inserts per ski.
     
  18. Telemark Phat

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    Why make a light ski that much heavier?
     
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  19. Ziggy

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    HH and Axl only have 8 per ski lol.
     
  20. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I know. :doh::doh::doh:

    But that’s how it’s turning out.
     
  21. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    So that "flexor" plate....maybe a similar problem to the 22NTN? Bendy bits snap? The 22 is metal, but heaps of breaks I hear. Not sure about the new ones though?
     
  22. rols

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    Not enough heel retention on the ATK?
     
  23. DPS Driver

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    5kg worth of inserts.:):):)
     
  24. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    The ATK is very kooky to ski, I was expecting something like a 3 pin feel, but it is different again.

    And these skis are stiff, very stiff.
     
  25. bluestick

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    To avoid skifree’s Swiss cheese skis can anyone answer the following. I have new pair of skis and am keen when and if a ‘light’ Ntn boot comes out( scarpa what’s happening?) to go with meijo but until then I want to mount
    The skis with a 75 mm cable binding ( e.g voile hard wire). Is there any compatibility with binding mounting holes between meijo and 75 mm bindings? Tia of any answers
     
  26. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    NTN boot is already lighter than duckbills of similar performance IMO. Once you change, you dont change back.
     
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  27. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    No, otherwise I would have exploited any compatibility.
     
  28. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Finally broke the step in leaver yesterday on one of the Meidjo's.:blb:

    A lack of care in clearing snow out of the duck butt mating point in the step in on my part. :goose:

    So ordered replacements.

    Lucky I have 2 pairs so can still ski.

    Telemark Pyrenees charges Euro 23.00 shipping this, I suspect I should have ordered some more parts to fit inside this charge which is for UPS, I might be still able to do so if someone needs a small part tell me quick.

    And an aside my sets of redline springs for Meidjos arrived today. Anyone else using these springs?
     
  29. mr

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    No but the fresh pow and cold conditions this year has meant ive also had to fiddle a fair bit too with the lever either clogged or icing up. Main problem is after leaving skis outside in elements while eating etc

    I also had a stack with no catastrophic release.....they dont release well when said ski (with leg attached) is dragged sideways. Pulled a hammy!
     
  30. mr

    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    I now tend to pre-arm them if leaving outside
     
  31. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Interesting, my release experience has been very good.

    But coming from 20plus years of no release to release toe and heel is a novel step up.

    Yep an ongoing maintenance thing. But my observation it is no more or and often less than my alpine ski partners. My ski buddy yesterday had to clear a shit tonne of snow & ice out of his frame AT rig every transition. I just gave my now routine love tap to each ski with binding facing ground with boot and was good to go.
     
  32. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah, i'm still experimenting with pre-arming. I did it the other day at Eyre while snow was falling and it did not work well, repeated exercise later in day at mid-station with falling snow and no pre-arm and seemed a better deal. But as said still playing with which is the better way in the long run.

    I look forward to your further experience with this experiment.:cool:
     
  33. mr

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    I havent yet had to piss on the lever to de-ice alpinist style......

    I also clear under the front lever before popping out my toe, seen it deflect a bit with build up

    My stack was a funny one, a sketchy alpine turn, heel blowout, then upper ski dived its nose under lower ski, and then over the handlebars i went dragging the upper ski under the lower one sideways
     
  34. GS

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    I wish I could recall what happened during a stack so to avoid in future....most of my memories are fun, fun, turn, turn, face in snow, face dragging through snow, stop.
     
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  35. mr

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    The ligaments in my knee pinging away must have burned something into my brain
     
  36. telenomore

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    Hmm, none of these new fangled gadget problems with 75mm? Im a believer. Just saying.
     
  37. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I can give you a very long list of failures including icing up & snow jambing in pretty much all the 75mm stuff. I don’t see either system generally as an improvement over the other in this regard
     
  38. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well there’s the issue there, “alpine turn”.
    ;)
     
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  39. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Put the redline springs in today, they are Vstiff. Good thing i use inserts otherwise I would not have been able to compress them enough to get in but was able to with some disassembly and reassembly. Hope i can actually compress them in the snow.

    @Telemark Phat i have a sort of spare set of these if you are interested in borrowing them.
     
  40. telenomore

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    Nah disagree. Much simpler, less to break down, less moving parts. Sure there are issues, icing very easily dealt with and of course there are many brands and types of 75mm bindings but much less hassle than what is being described here.
     
  41. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Can I come and work in your workshop it sounds peaceful, quiet & simple?
     
  42. telenomore

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    Anytime @skifree. Its simple until people bring in broken bindings! Dare I say, most common breakages we get are King Pins, particularly after the bad batch that went out.
     
  43. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    You know the only binding i haven’t had chucked on the bench when i was spending time in the work shop was the Bomber Bishop.

    As for Superloops the standard answer was “go to the retail wall & select a new binding”. People would beg to have those repaired.

    As for 22 Designs, never buy their 1st born of anything.

    And AT stuff, :blb:why does every broken AT binding owner think it’s a warranty issue? “The binding 24 parts of plastic mate, it’s gunna fail sometime”.

    Despite it’s apparent complexity the Meidjo is very simple to work on & you can get parts, even small detail parts. I should say both Meidjo parts I’ve broken were my fault, and i do a fair bit of skiing.
     
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  44. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Might have to think hard about that tempting offer.
     
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  45. Telemark Phat

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    Heavy, ski like anus, tour like bum and holding back any telemark resurgence. I've not had a NTN binding fail catastrophically. I haven't owned a variety of 75mm binding which hasn't.
     
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    Could be cool. I'll catch up with you when work starts to slow down.
     
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    Well I bit the bullet and have gone Meidjo and the full on boots ( no real alternative than the rather beefy scarpa tx pro). While I will persist, I have found this set up just too stiff and tight. I want something soft and flexy as I prefer to cruise not crank. I think it’s mainly the boot and mymy lack of recent time on downhill like equipment though the binding seems fine and great for parallels.
     
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    Disagree no matter how colourful you make it (although enjoyed the comments). 75mm Don't ski like anus or tour like bum (cant quite imagine how those would come to mind?). I have telemarked, raced (in the distant past) and instructed for many years (despite the forum name, I still drop the knee) on plenty of different 75 mm bindings, resort and backcountry, that have never let me down or broken. NTN super heavy compared to 75mm. NTN are easier to telemark in, no question, that is the point of technology dominating technique and more power to it. That results in a resurgence. Fat skis over narrow skis in the powder produced similar results in terms of skiing skill. We rent both NTN and 75mm setups in my shop and 75mm still in far greater demand, although all tele demand has diminished since the advent to AT tech bindings which now dominate the BC world.
     
  49. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    If you are/ get near Perisher or Thredbo let me know and I’ll look at your set up.
     
  50. bluestick

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    Thanks for the offer skifree but now on way back to northern rivers might be back down again soonish to get this set up comfortable before japan next year. boots need a bit of tweaking will get back to Bruce at ws on this if I can’t fix it myself. Probably more operator capability than anything else.