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Question Merino base layers keep getting holes in them

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by Peanut, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:46 PM.

  1. Peanut

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    I realised very quickly when I got into skiing that I sweat a lot and synthetic base layers get very smelly very quickly, and the smell does not wash out easily. However, every set of merino base layers I get end up getting little holes in them when they are put away at the end of the season.

    I’ve just pulled out the 200 weight Icebreaker top and pants that I bought last year and found that they have small holes in them. How do I stop this from happening?
     
  2. qwill

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    mothballs
     
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    Moth balls?
     
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  6. Peanut

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    I would have thought that if I had moths, they’d go for my other woollen stuff as well, but none of that gets holes.
     
  7. Arne

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    If you have to, camphor. Not moth balls. Then you won't smell as bad as every grandpa in the lift line.
     
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    As said..... you are feeding moths.
     
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    I've been thinking of putting my woollen gear into plastic tub with lid or something after winter. It's an annoying problem.
     
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    I just stuff all of my gear in a couple of those heavy duty shopping bags (the nylon sort of material), turn the top down and shove it in the back of a cupboard that rarely opens till winter. Haven't had a problem yet.
     
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    GS Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Where are the holes? I couple of my lightweight merino tops developed holes and i thought moths but realised it was from pack shoulder straps and waist straps
     
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    Belt buckle pins are also guilty.
     
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    Ziplock vacuum bags for the win
     
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    I trust you wash them before putting them away. And yup - moths or silverfish.
     
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    I'd be surprised if moths. Generally the thinner merino develops holes. My 200gm are unaffected, however i have some 150gm which have holes everywhere. It is simply that the fabric is too fine. A major reason why other merino companies blend with other fabrics. Its a bit of a trade off.
     
  16. almontyrat

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    Definitely moths in mine.... even in a few tops that have never been worn sadly. My house now smells like my nana's. Got to love that naphthalene.
     
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    I seem to buy a new 200 weight icebreaker top and sometimes the matching long johns each winter. I cycle and XC ski and this attire is what I wear in the white season for both activities. Yes they do develop holes. I suspect it keeps the thermal merino wool garment manufacturer in business .
     
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    A few stiches does the trick, preferably with the fire going, a whisky warming and something good on the tv or the stereo. Sometimes I even talk to friends and family while sewing. It's relaxing, at least until a finger and needle meet.
     
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    Vacuum bags for all our winter gear during green season. Also helps with space saving as we have limited storage space at our place.
     
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  23. Peanut

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    The holes are fairly randomly distributed, but tend to be on the lower part of the torso on the tops and around the tops of the thighs on the pants.
     
  24. Peanut

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    Yep, they get washed. I wear a lot of merino/wool generally through winter and none of it develops holes during the green months, so I’d be surprised if moths are only going for my merino undergarments.
     
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    Looks like I need to invest in some vac bags for my merino stuff then. Thanks all!
     
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    Looks more likely to be from your outer clothing...like zip pulls and velco pulls etc.
     
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    I blamed moths and then I realised it was only occuring in the heavily loaded areas. Crotch worn out of the pants only. Turns out it was holes made by my pin dick.
     
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    In a recent little jaunt I circled the globe.

    This trip included travelling on regional US carriers, I was very baggage weight conscience as I couldn't offset this with any deals. As such, I didn't carry any spares of anything.

    Imagine my horror as I pulled out my Merino base layers which had been chewed on by the little beasties...

    Watching this thread with interest !
     
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    They’re unpredictable.
    They’ve ruined a few things of mine, including woollens stored in a camphor chest.
    Pricey!
    Now I have various forms of repellant things which I replace regularly.
    That seems to work.
     
  30. LMB

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    Mine too.

    I have experienced the same.
    Bought the most amazing full length light merino cardigan a few years back, but it came in summer, popped it in a drawer, pulled it out still with three tag on a few months later to finally wear in winter and it was FULL of holes. Unrecoverable.

    Anything I’m precious about now gets stored in a ziplock bag.
     
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    Some woollen gets "Mothproofed" at manufacture. I'm sure it doesn't get advertised much because the chemicals are noxious and probably cause cancer and gigantic cockroaches or mutating Volkswagens. I have a very fine woollen suit I loaned to my brother and when it was returned it was full of moth-holes and not much good anymore, only took a couple of months, No mothballs in his wardrobe
     
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    Beasties were taking the clothes off my back - little €\/*@==#!&_ !!
    Tried the smelly balls but couldn't handle the smell. Then bought new set of sheets that came in an oversize clear plastic zipper bag.Now have everything merino stored in the bags and no more holes
    Bonus with the clear bags, makes it easy to see where things are and now have everything organised into their own bag,,,base layer tops, mid layers, ,socks, thermals. Also have clear zipper bags for above neck items, gloves, goggles and electronic junk and first aid kit.
    Makes it easy to store and pack before a trip. And using clear plastic bags makes it easy to go through airport check security (Not that that will be happening any time soon)
     
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  36. Spence

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    A little fabric bag with some cotton wool balls with a few drops of tea tree oil on them. Placed in a wardrobe or draw will stop all sorts of critters apparently. And it’s not an unpleasant smell like moth balls.
     
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    Just be aware if you see moths or holes appearing, it is the moth larvae that do most damage and they don't care about smelly balls or being confined to plastic bags.
    To kill off the larvae, you will need to wash your gear with hot water (unfortunately not recommended for merino but after a warm wash, air dry in sunlight and then place in freezer for a couple of days. Then store with the smelly balls or in sealed plastic bags to keep moths from laying more eggs.
     
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    I just read that the moths don’t eat. They don’t have mouths. Like you say, it’s the larvae.
     
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    It probably isn't moths, or other critters. Merino, particularly Icebreaker, just isn't very durable. Compared to polypropylene the value really isn't there. I sweat like **** but with decent washing can keep synthetic baselayers going for years without getting stinky.

    If you want merino, go for a merino synthetic blend. Merino really isn't all it's cracked up to be.
     
  40. Telemark Phat

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    Make sure to zip up every garment when washing Merino. The teeth on the zippers will put little holes in your wool during the wash
     
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    True. And I put all my merino in wash bags before putting in the wash machine. Extends the life enormously Far more friction and rubbing in the washing machine than wearing - Still have lightweight pure merino in excellent nic after 6 /7 seasons of use.
     
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    And yet I have 15 yr old icebreaker still in perfect condition. I’ve actually never had to replace an icebreaker item, I just keep buying more.

    I use it for cycling base layer too, so gets plenty of use.
     
  43. chicski

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    And I just throw mine in the machine on a wool wash, normal detergent, no smelly balls.
     
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    this is what +1 does, she makes little lavender and tea tree bags
     
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