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Metal edge on groomed trail

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by jamie.croft, Apr 9, 2019.

  1. jamie.croft

    jamie.croft First Runs

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    Hi folks,
    Are you allowed metal edged skis on groomed cross country trails in Australia? Specifically Hotham/falls/dinner plains trails.

    Also, what would the maximum width ski be that I could use on groomed trails? Looking to get a do-all backcountry ski that i could also use on groomed trails.

    Cheers
     
  2. Ziggy

    Ziggy Renormed Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes.
    About 65mm width is the comfortable max to use the tracks. If that's not a concern any width is OK but the wider you go the worse they track.
     
  3. jamie.croft

    jamie.croft First Runs

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    Ah great. Looking at some skis that are 68mm. With Voile 3pin bindings. Reckon I’d squeeze in? Or would i end up chewing up the tracks and making it uncomfortable for me and others?
     
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  4. Ziggy

    Ziggy Renormed Ski Pass: Gold

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    Those tracks get rapidly chewed up anyway so I wouldn't sweat it. Go for the width to suit all your touring needs. If you plan to go off-trail, wider is of course better, up to a point. Our snow is usually relatively wet and heavy and around 70mm underfoot is a good all-round width in my book.
     
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  5. Chaeron

    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    A patterned base ski with a metal edge wide enough to take tech. bindings and narrow enough to track well is the go.

    When I’m using the XC trails I steer clear of the groomed grooves as my skis are too wide for them, and there’s never any issue when encountering XC skiers.
     
  6. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    IME the worst damage to classic tracks is caused by skaters
     
  7. Boodwah

    Boodwah One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    This.
    My favorite rig for on and off trail is pattern based metal edged 90mm with tech toes and Tele (TTS) heal. Go anywhere do anything lightly, not in the tracks bc too wide.
     
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  8. jamie.croft

    jamie.croft First Runs

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    Interesting. I’ve not come across the TTS concept before. For flattish/rolling terrain style touring where I’m not looking to climb mountains, would you still choose TTS over traditional leather boots and 3-pin bindings?
     
  9. Boodwah

    Boodwah One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I've never done leather/3-pin.
    All my regular tele rigs are NTN, but for just heading off in to wilderness (with dog), the Tele Tech system is ideal. Super simple, light but robust. I actually just bought the heal pieces and used some old Dynafit tech toes.
     
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    Boodwah One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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  11. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Fischer Nordic Cruiser skis have a PB and full metal edges and should fit into the tracks as well as go off track /BC quite well. I am buying a pair for this season matched with NNN BC bindings. Madshus Epochs will not fit into the track. I have done some off piste BC XC skiing in classic Fischer PB skinny skis in Spring conditions on the B.H.P. .I was fine in those.
     
  12. Ziggy

    Ziggy Renormed Ski Pass: Gold

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    NNN-BC is ideal for that.
    The Subaru of XC bindings someone here called it.
     
  13. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    :):thumbs::cool::skier:
     
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  14. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I have XC skied the groomed Dinner Plain to Mt. Hotham track with metal edges and many of the groomed XC tracks at Falls with Metal edges. It is the skaters that muck up the corduroy .
     
  15. chriscross

    chriscross One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    The corduroy is there for the skaters, Mr T. It's the next level. You should try it sometime. Felix at LM could show how it's done.
     
  16. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Maybe one day ,I will give XC skating a go but BC XC day touring is my thing.
     
  17. skifree

    skifree Part of the Furniture Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    It is worth sampling then adding to your skill list back in the BC.
     
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  18. chriscross

    chriscross One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I understand where you're coming from and observe the recent addition to the quiver. You will be aware, though, that there are some who will aver that groomed trails have very little to do with bc, except, perhaps, as a means of getting out there. On Stirling, for example.
     
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  19. Ziggy

    Ziggy Renormed Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep. Handy thing to be able to do.
    Like double pole, single kick.
     
  20. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I like Lake Mtn. and similar places that have grooming but the BHP is my kind of place for XC skiing.
     
  21. Peagreenboat

    Peagreenboat Hard Yards

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    I ski on 83/ 62's (at the waist) Madshus Eon's with Voile's 3 pins metal edges. They only fit in when it's a bit later in the day and I'll only use them in some circumstances and when it's wide enough to fit, so not to bugger up someone else's fun. The metal edges are no concern on the corduroy, boot outs make me supergrumpy though and its worth filling holes if you stack and especially if still early in the day. The Eon and the BC 90 which is similar have worked for me across all conditions. They do nothing well but I've found them good for me at where I was/and still are. I find now, that I'd rather a ligher ski for LM etc, but did 22Km on the Eon's last year around Falls (though wish I hadn't!).
     
  22. Chaeron

    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Epochs with tech bindings and a light tech. boot.....33km+.... and smiling.