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Missing in Tassie

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by teckel, Jul 15, 2019.

  1. teckel

    teckel Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    the facts that he is experienced and well equipped and hasn't set off his beacon are hopefully good signs that he is hunkered down safely somewhere
     
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    Bugger :(
    Fingers crossed!
     
  5. Rabid K9

    Rabid K9 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    That Cuvier Valley / Mt Cuvier area is pretty tough going without snow - deep buttongrass, lots of marshes, plenty of cliff bands.

    With all the recent wet snow & nasty wet cold, would be an absolute thrash fest trying to get out of there, my feel is he's waiting it out a bit. Sounds like it caught a few people out this recent run of weather in Tassie.
     
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    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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  8. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    was he ever actually lost or just overdue? did he actually want/need to be rescued?

    I'm dreading an outcry about how he should have set off his beacon so that searchers could have found him more easily, or worse that he was irresponsible to venture more than 10km from a macdonalds
     
  9. Untele-whippet

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    I heard what you’re saying.
    A good reason to have a Garmin InReach as you can text a msg saying you’re fine and sitting it out as opposed to pushing the button for the whirlybird cavalry.
     
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    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    InReach is on my shortlist of stuff to buy RSN. More for +1
     
  11. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Spot Messenger allows you to program a button with something like "Delayed but OK".
     
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    Boodwah One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thinking maybe good idea to get inreach thingy.
    Can definitely see myself in a position where I'm delayed but not wanting to put anyone out.
     
  13. Chaeron

    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ditto. Last thing we want is Parks authorities closing areas....
     
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  14. Chaeron

    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Good on him. I didnt make the marysville search but quite a different context i think.
     
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    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    Wifey used the Garmin InReach and checked in with doggy sitter when we were out of reception in Oxley Wild Rivers NP last month!
    Many uses, easy communication and selected people can track you too.
     
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  17. teckel

    teckel Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Great news :)
    If anyone could do it, he could. He's a tough bugger.
    I have no doubt that Michael's partner will have him on a leash in the foreseeable future.
     
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    teckel Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes, they were mainly searching in and around town. They had sniffer dogs, canoes, horses etc.
     
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    ecowain One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Or triggering your PLB, SAR pull out the stops to try to get to you in adverse and dangerous conditions, and find you drinking hot choc happily in your tent.
     
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    Gimped One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    If he had been more experienced (or careful) he wouldn't have lost his pack in the first place.
    We use GPS to mark our spots in case fog etc rolls in when we are hiking in central Tassie.
    Hopefully he learns from the mistake.
     
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    mick chopps Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    We bought Old Chopps a Spot G3 GPS messenger for his birthday a few years back and it's the best thing we've done, so his wife informs me. Prone to delays when out on the water or up in the hills and rather tardy with phone use he's able to shoot messages to her at intervals and update her on his whereabouts regularly. Very good option I reckon.
     
  22. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

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    I can attest to the fact that in fog and when snowing it is very, very easy to mislay your pack if it is a neutral colour and there are no retro reflective patches or tape sewn on
     
  23. Chaeron

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    https://www.theage.com.au/national/...-terrifying-9-day-ordeal-20190717-p52840.html

    Evidently after 9 days his tent was collapsing and collecting water, his sleeping bag was wet, and he was out of food.

    He reckons he wouldn’t have made it if not rescued when he was.

    The rescue window turned out to be narrow due to low visibility.

    Combination of tent and sleeping bag the critical element here, along with him staying put in his tent.

    Avoiding exposure & hypothermia - shelter & warmth.

    This is where skiers have a distinct advantage over walkers - the capacity to cover distance in the snow.
     
  24. Gimped

    Gimped One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    From the sounds of it, he didn't have a "4 season" tent either, given that it was collapsing under snow and leaking.
     
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    Heh, heh, press.....

    With no navigational equipment and his emergency beacon lost with his pack, he set up camp to wait it out, not expecting the weather would take a turn for the worse.

    I always carry my tent in my pocket like that, you know, just in case I lose my pack and need to "set up camp".

    I do know someone (pre GPS digital age) who lost his tent, and after an hour was starting to think it was the end, but finally found it, after the weather came in on an xc ski trip.
     
  26. teckel

    teckel Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    And your sleeping bag in your other pocket.
     
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    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I’m still not clear on how you loose a pack! Sure snow and fog equal zero visibility, hell ive skied off a cornice on the Kerries in these conditions but and a big but why move away from your pack in poor conditions if it’s your lifeline.

    And yeah hind site is wonderful but I’m still unclear as to why you would leave your backpack and walk away.

    Yep he managed to then find his tent and to his credit did the right thing and stayed put and out of the elements which is really what saved him.
     
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    GS A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah I'd like to know what occurred that resulted in losing the pack. Maybe he was into ultralight gear and the pack blew away when he took it off to get something out!

    Good effort to stay composed and sit it out
     
  29. Moondog55

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    Even 4 season tents can collapse given sufficient snow, sometimes it falls faster than you can shovel it away. I do hope that his gear list eventually comes to light as I would be very interested in his choices of tent and sleeping bag/clothing
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Stuff can take off and get lost in the mountains.

    Not the same but I took a break at the heli in Chile to use my shewee behind a big rock- placed the baggie with shewee case, pack of tissues, ventolin, Panadol and 2 throat lozenges in down on the snow in reach while I did what needed doing. Wind gust sent it flying kilometres down hill never to be seen again.
    Whoops! No way I was going searching for it!
     
  31. Laska Goralska

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    Oops! So full bladder, runny nose, asthma wheeze, headache and sore throat for the run down then LMB?
     
  32. zac150

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    Still avoidable, in soft snow a couple of boots stomps to create a hollow and gear won’t fly or slide away. In your case it’s excusable as your on a heli adventure and have others around plus access to help is right on hand. If your doing a winter trek in a remote location by yourself, most of your moves need to be very precise and considered. As Alex Honnold would say the risk of something going wrong is minimal the consequence of that something is high.

    If the articles had said the bag slid away in difficult terrain that’s one thing but the articles are vague as to how he was separated from his bag and tent, then found the tent. This I find interesting
     
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    GS A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I can understand that occuring, I've been guilty of 'taking a few more steps' to get a better pic, only to end up quite some distance away. Maybe the weather hadn't yet turned to shite when he wandered away from the pack thinking he knew exactly where it was.....then the weather blew in before he could relocate it.

    Hopefully the whole story will come out in time and everyone can learn from it.
     
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    8-9 days in a tent..I'm impressed.
    I would suggest he has prepared..stuff happens
     

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    They were all “in case” items.
    It was a 9 massive run session and while waiting for the last 2 skiers to come in I decided I physically couldn’t hold it any more. The guys had been going every run o_O. Last 2 came in and they called it!!! Grrrrr - I could’ve held it for the 10 minutes back to the lodge!

    Agreed.
     
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    Ummmm. I can’t get my head around losing a daypack. It stays with me...always...which is why you always have it. With map, compass, raincoat, and whatever else I might urgently need.

    Losing a rucksack whilst you go off on a wander is a bit different. I have wandered off for <20 mins with nothing, and left a pack behind...eg to a summit, but, if that was the case, my tent would have been in my rucksack . It would not have been set up.

    At least he was found alive.

    A
     
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    He’s a photographer, if you watch the interview, he left (presumably heavy pack) to wander to different vantages for sunset photography.
    I’ve done the same thing.
    Disagree that skiing is faster than walking, I’ve always been surprised. Especially in heavy snow.
    Maybe could have seen that weather coming tho...
     
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    Should have been safely watching the footy at home with a Vic Bitter (light)
    Irresponsible!
    It’s dangerous out there.
     
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    What is coming out about the pack makes a lot more sense to me know.

    He has done very very well
     
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    He should have left his empty long neck near the pack- with that strong wind blowing it would have made a nice whistle.
     
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    Sheez, there's always someone ready to heap shit on people who have made a mistake! Any tent would collapse under a pile of snow and the guy was a keen photographer who wandered away from his pack to take some photos of the sunset. It's very easy to sit back on your comfy lounge and criticise but he has done well to survive for so long. Look at the Indian student in Marysville, that was a sad and completely avoidable death.
     
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    Unfortunately not in typical sub alpine Tassie snow - heavy, wet, unconsolidated, usually falling on a base of thick scrub & or buttongrass, ski's or boards become a real liability in those type conditions.

    The area he was in has some particularly solid scrub & 'old growth' buttongrass over marshes, no easy way across / through it except helicopter.
     
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    Thx for the clarification @Rabid K9 - don’t know Tas - something I’m very keen to correct!
     
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    Mother Nature will kill you if you give her a chance.
    We normally remote hike in Tasmania in summer. Even then, we have a full winter setup, because snow can fall in January. That said, this weather event was predicted two weeks ago.
    We all carry gps, logging continually, so we can retrace our steps. We share a sat phone, and can always eat fish if we have to!
    The interesting question is if he had not lost his PLB, would you activate it if you were in no immediate danger
    (AMSA says no)
     
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    Unless you had a locator beacon, anything you lose in that you'll be lucky to find.
     
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    False positives vs. false negatives- the assumption made when an experienced hiker doesn’t trigger their PLB is that they’re OK.

    It was wrong in this case....

    That’s the AMSA position— no emergency, no trigger, thus, no trigger, no emergency.

    However - search & rescue personnel, Police, & family who know someone’s behaviour pattern will not buy that - and the cost & time of a rescue means they probably prefer you trigger your PLB IF you believe they’ve started searching for you... even if you’re OK.


    Default position is the let someone know before you go parameters.

    For me & my wife that’s ETA plus 2 days...
     
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  48. Ubiquitous Steve

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    A good result...well just...We should be applauding those pilots and crew plus all ground crews for their efforts.

    It’s easy to be analytical after such an event..

    Did the chap have snow shoes?

    We can see that snow was very deep unconsolidated and even with snow shoes or skis would have been a slog.
    Park Authorities need to spell it out .....heavy snow will cause catastrophe even for the fittest and experienced ......

    But happy endings to all Tasmanian searches this time...
    Travel in recent heavy snowfall is less than a good idea!:whistle:

    Team Bears like weerabs post....Forum members no matter how experienced can have accidents or suffer injuries at any time.....
     
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    snow shoes in tassie are also a liability... as you step through half a metre of unconsolidated snow onto the scoparia / bushes / logs underneath they get caught at the back and are a PITA
     
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    Tassie is basicaly a pile of choss, sticks and mud.
     
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