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Missing in Tassie

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by teckel, Jul 15, 2019.

  1. mr

    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    a nice one!
     
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  2. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

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    These would have been difficult circumstances in which to light a fire but I can't help thinking that a really big fire would have helped. But under these conditions the usual little fire kit with a candle stub and box of matches are useless. The trouble is that the real "OMG Must light a fire kit" is a quarter kilo of extra weigh that would in most cases never get used and you have to have it with you at all times. My Canadian and American mates tell me this is why a lot of them wear small chest packs at all times
     
  3. Rabid K9

    Rabid K9 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Very beautiful big sticks!!
     
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  4. Rabid K9

    Rabid K9 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I have used snow shoes with tails on extended winter trips in Tassie, in some areas (proper alpine with a decent snowpack) they can be useful, other a hassle as you've said. Some trips have had to use them to go to toilet in night, snow so deep, other trips just extra ballast on side of pack.

    One of the issues with Tassie snow is indeed the lack of cold. Going can be not be to bad in those rare events where it's stays below zero, pack firms & is relatively dry. Unfortunately, heavy snow is usually followed by warming & rain, so effectively you end up swimming through waist to chest deep semi-frozen slush mixed with bushes at around 1.5C. Throw in some massive dolerite scree fields for proper bone breaking obstacle course.

    Not knowing all the details, I think there is a possibility this chap may have been able to extract himself from that situation back to Narcissus hut, given the geographic proximity, however it would have been very, very tough.
     
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  5. Gimped

    Gimped One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I don't think you would be able to keep it going in those weather conditions.
    You would more likely become hypothermic trying to tend to the fire.
    Better to hunker down in that -10 sleeping bag!
     
  6. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

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    Was it a -10C rated bag tho?
    I am still hoping to see the gear and equipment list for the trip. I am thinking of doing the track next winter
     
  7. Gimped

    Gimped One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I should have been if you are hiking in the middle of winter with a known "weather system" predicted!!
     
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  8. Rabid K9

    Rabid K9 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    After many 'cool' nights with a -15C bag in Tassie, I up specced to -40C bag. Keeping ones goose feathers dry is a constant challenge in those conditions - when your sleeping bag is your only zone of dry warmth for the foreseeable future, happy to have some additional degrees in my pack. Nice to actually have to open zips a little on last trip.

    It's really hard to illustrate how chilly those not very cold, wet conditions can be. Have slept in the same bag (-15C) at -25C in Hokkaido, wasn't to bad, constant wet temps around 0-5C in Tassie, have to follow core warming ritual to have a 'reasonable' nights sleep.
     
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  9. Gimped

    Gimped One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Wow. Didn't realise the ratings went that low!
     
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  10. mr

    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    i agree, keeping stuff dry on multi day trips in oz is pretty tricky. after 2 nights, it starts getting quite difficult
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Night one, bag rated at -15.

    Night two, bag rated at -7

    Night three, bag rated at 0

    Night four, oh no.

    its well known that damp is a bigger killer here, than temp.
     
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  12. Rabid K9

    Rabid K9 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Here's the bugger. Probably easier to get an angry tiger into the stuff sack, but it's pure luxury to get into on a cold night or day. My partner actually bought it, but a bit too long & heavy for her, so damn of damn, it fitted me perfectly....

    https://www.marmot.com/cwm--40-slee...sleeping-mountaineering-sleeping-bags#start=1

    She went with the warmest women bag from Mont, which is still a beauty as well, just a few less tonnes in her pack.

    https://www.mont.com.au/nemo-wmn-hyd-xt-lhz-980gms
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    After my very first tas wander (might have been Western Arthurs, can’t remember one prior) I converted to a multi dry bag system for everything. And have maintained that and being obsessive about keeping stuff dry ever since.

    As a system it works well in the snow as well.
     
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  14. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

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    And why I use a decent very breathable Goretex bivvy over my bag [ most of the time ] and I've been doing that for a long time but a week with no sun still hurts.
     
  15. Bogong

    Bogong Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep, I have a sleeping bag that's kept me toasty warm in the snow on the North Island of Australia.

    But the South Island of Australia is totally different. On a rain sodden 12 day epic on the Eastern Arthurs I took to sleeping in my raincoat for extra warmth after the first week because there's nothing like Tassie damp in constant 4 degree temperatures for killing the effectiveness of any down bag. Synthetic sleeping bags aren't really an option on longer Tassie trips because of their bulk and extra weight.
     
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    teckel Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm sure his bag was sufficiently rated. He survived how many days and nights in it without getting hypothermia? And I doubt that he is going to post his gear list anywhere for people to pick apart! Like what's already happened in this thread.
     
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    teckel Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Followed by:
    Hmmmmm
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah, they do.

    I’ve got a toasty warm bag - but the two base camp nights atop Kili when it was snowing - fully clothed including down jacket, north face beanie, and down booties, clothing for the morning inside the bag and a roasting hot Nalgene bottle to cuddle up with.

    PB upgraded to this beast for Aconcagua
    https://www.phdesigns.co.uk/hispar-1200-down-sleeping-bag-k-series?osCsid=r3rcdhiv970735gf6m85rqjf93
     
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  20. Rabid K9

    Rabid K9 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm the same. Have one big dry bag pack liner, then multiple smaller for the various, all inside big canvas warhorse.

    Am obsessive as well, condensation is no friend of mine & helps keep pack in order. If my dry bags go into pack in different position, I walk in circles. For years always ran candle lanterns to dry things out a bit inside tent. LED lights don't quite do the same thing.

    Find putting on the 'walking set' of clothes in morning quite the trauma, complete with muddy, frozen sock & boots, usually with at least sixty leaches waiting, but console myself with 'at least I'll have a dry, not muddy seat of clothes to put on when I get back into tent tonight'.

    After all this talk of wet, cold, mud, hypothermia, rescue etc, one of my favourite campsites in the beach at Lake Petrarch near where he was rescued. Sunny, warm & still, beautiful views of the mountains, fews sips of rum, romancing in the sand....

    Then there is the snakes....

    It's not all suffering down there, just mostly.
     
  21. Moondog55

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    I'd not be picking or pulling it apart, just making sure my kit was as good. What works when things go well is no assurance they will work when things go belly up. And as much as I love my own winter bag it is only rated -4C taking into account my age related drop in sleeping metabolic rate Maybe a few degrees warmer after the rejuvenation
     
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    Here she is keeping warm not using her - 958C skua down filled sleeping bag....

     
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    This.
    I had a bad night recently on King Billy w equipment I thought I'd be fine in - but those temps just above zero, the moisntness and breeze nearly made for a very bad trip.
     
  24. Moondog55

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    Nikwax and / or Hyperdry down has helped a lot tho. Also despite the hideously high cost of candles I do use an old UCO candle lamp sometimes and I find it helps a bit. This thread and the corresponding thread over at Bushwalk had me searching for a LW synthetic overbag to protect my own down bag, something less specialised than my Nunatak overquilt and I found a very LW lightly insulated synthetic overbag here
    https://www.mountainwarehouse.com/au/traveller-50-sleeping-bag-xl-p18461.aspx/red/
    I'll be camping at Pretty Valley for the next month or so and will trial it and see how effective a 50GSM layer is
     
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    LevRMark Hard Yards

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    A past Tassie Premier said something like that about the Franklin River ... ;)
     
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    Geez- have not seen you here for a a while N .
     
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    Something like this?

    Former Liberal premier Robin Gray, who campaigned to dam the Franklin and famously declared the river "nothing but a brown ditch, leech-ridden, unattractive to the majority of people"

    I doubt Gray actually knew what choss was though....
     
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    Actually credit for being the biggest and most influential advocate for hydro dams should go to a premier who played for the other political team, the wonderfully "individual" Electric Eric Reece.
     
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