Most resort weather forecasts switched to yr.no

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  1. Richard

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    Good stuff. That was my go-to last year, I'm not full weather nerd but it worked well in timing my trips etc.
     
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    yr.no is good. Easily the best automated layman's short to medium forecast tool.
     
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    @Richard want some feedback?

    Ideally you want this to be shared/viewed by people beyond the forum eco-system?
    A couple of suggestions.
    - Jazz the layout up a bit . The font etc needs some work.
    - extrapolate the mm /precip into cm /snow. You could have a disclaimer for the formula.
     
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    Thanks

    Yes.

    It’s just a php parse script provided by yr.no so I’m stuck with the grid layout due to the nature of ‘the loop’

    Fonts? They are same as rest of ski,?

    Traffic beyond ski ecosystem is less important than an iterative improvement on BOM (which is comple te PIA to work with).

    Next iteration I can add wind direction icons.

    Provide a viable formula and I’ll see if my current dev can implement.

    Ideally full API is best for custom layout. This is as good as I can hack together atm.
     
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    Add further grids with registered users (ie regular weather gurus - not everyone!) to input their predictions if they so choose?
     
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    Pundit predictions are hard. We’ve tried a couple times before. You all gravitate back to threads and the predictions provide no tangible value to general public.

    In the aggregate, people want easy to interpret multiday forecasts. Donzah is on the right trackwith his suggestions.
     
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    great stuff. i used yr.no a lot last year. this is a quick easy to find link for me. cheers
     
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    This I would like to do. Presumably it’s a combo of altitude, min temp and precipitation - with maybe wind chill factor. If it need other data points it’s trickier because they are not available to that script.

    So if the (weather) brains trust can produce a formula we can start there.
     
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    Personally the yr.no wind icons and strengths are as useless as tits on a lamborghini.
    They read massively under. I'd almost nuke them to someplace dark and lonely , like sun peaks.

    Re formula for snow...most around here use 1mm precip to 1cm of snow. Its very simplistic ..but works most of the time.

    Like simple icons ...
     
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    Doesn't work on mobile
     
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    Pete’s orig layout I ncluded several things which can’t be done (yet) without more work such as colour coding temp font blue or red

    Is that what you mean?
     
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    Yes it does, it scrolls smoothly to right.

    Stuck with the table we are
     
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    I'm not going to scroll left to right ..sorry
     
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    I'd keep it simple. 1mm = 1cm if temp = 0 or below.
     
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    * Unless Buller
     
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    I was going to post this but waited to see if a more seasoned weather observer agreed.....
     
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    See!
     
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    Buller * asterix's everywhere
     
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    Oh well
     
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    someone local recommended yr.no last year. we compared it to wz for a while and found wz more accurate for falls and mt beauty. small sample size, no science
     
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    I was going to complicate the rule by adding the following:
    If buller
    -> if wind from the west
    ---> if temp < -4C then 1mm = 1cm

    ;)
     
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    Yeah yr.no wind fails, they need to fix that.
    1mm = 1cm works in Aus, for most.
     
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    Turn device landscape?
     
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    See how hard it gets.

    You (collective you) like the yr.no forecast, but not the wind - but wind is important if planning trip up hill for day trippers, so now we are sourcing wind from another source and we got a big fat data mashup to build out.

    This is why mountainwatch gave up and flogged the horse off to Liquid...
     
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    Anyway, I'll keep iterating this script over time - I'll get Pete to convert the table to a responsive div grid as a first start (I'm not satisfied with the scroll either - to be clear, but it's better to build and iterate than wait for perfect).

    1mm precip = 1cm snow is a tad too simplistic to publish. I'd guarantee you lot would poke holes in it 50% of the time.

    An 'above xxxx m' altitude element has to factor and from my point of view, the line has to be -1 or less. 0 deg = rain most of the time.
     
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    Its good, but we have a non scroller and still no snow at Buller.. Situation normal? Be prepared for big swings with yr in snow fall.Its a programme and just goes with the flow..
     
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    yr.no works pretty well if you select the right location.
    Eg for Buller there's two locations 1715m and 1805m elevations,
    Or Perisher: village: 1719m or mountain 1930, or back 2000m

    if you're expecting what it predicts at the higher altitudes to be what you see, at village level, for example, you will be sadly disappointed.
     
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    Yeah but people don't understand precip and how it relates to snowfall.
    Thats why Yr.no never gets shared by socials etc. Cause people look at it and go .ummm 13mm of snow? or snow and 13mm of rain? or or? it confuses them (this is real life scenario)
    As for wind - Yr.no is actually in m/s not kmph like on your chart. I guess you've expanded that using a formula?
    I'd suggest using a light moderate strong wind icon
     
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    WZ is written by humans using sites like yr.no data.
    Its updated daily.

    I think Richard wants to intergrate a model that doesn't need human doings .......
     
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    The future is Meteograms.... Just saying. Doesn't get any simpler than a good old Meteorgram. More scrolling Left/Right for you Donzah.
     
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    I'll turn my phone sideways
     
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    Shit'ouse colour and Icons below, but the graphical depiction is so simplistic to read for any punter (weather or ski).
    All 6 days of it...
     
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    What i do find odd.
    This site has the best snow weather forum in the world.
    Yet its not utilised on the main site
     
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    On a certain US ski forum, I posted a fairly simple meteogram, like the example above. Next five responses were "stop using fancy charts!" and "what does this all mean???". Jeezus it's not that hard to understand the gist of them. They are designed for punters and simplicity.

    That being said, I second that. @Richard you said a while back you were jazzing up the Weather pages, is this the first stage of that plan?
     
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    Main traffic-driver too, as I understand it.
     
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    whereas with mountain watch its so crap forecasts with generic numbers posted .I reckon I see them 100 times a system on my socials
     
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    Well that's one way to drive traffic... With lies.
     
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    You can say that again. There's plenty who have tried, but nothing so far that matches this site in this particular niche.
     
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    snowatch
     
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    Funny story. I had a go of a mate of mine who runs one of the bigger snow shops insta.
    He posts the MW forecast often..... I told him and convinced him how crap it was....
    He moved onto snowatch.
     
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    Well that's a fail.
     
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    Yeah...will still get hundreds of likes and shares though.
     
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    correct, I had to do a conversion (which fortunately was easy), meters per second was not viable.

    no.. kinda

    This is just fixing the bom data pages which are terrible, the bom pages run on an old script that was literally written a decade ago or more. BOM API is a beast to deal with. Weatherzone, Willy Weather et al have spent a decade or more fine tuning, sanitizing and homogenising BOM data. We can't do that level of heavy lifting.
     
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    How would you deal with it on the main site?

    Genuine question, I've been wanting to create a palatable (for the unwashed public) window into the weather forum from homepage since forever. Can't find any method that does not require daily curation and blog-style publishing.
     
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    There is nothing viable about commissioning skilled human interpretation of snow forecasts for this size audience. It has to be bigger picture. Weatherzone's core business is syndication of weather forecasts - to all mediums. Their own website is just one of the channels and a fairly minor rev stream in the scheme of things.

    So, whatever we publish, it has to run by itself and update automatically from data sources.
     
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    Particularly when you have dozens of enthusiasts doing it for you already in the forums. For free.
     
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    Personally I think it should be a combination of both... yr.no graphical and a text format.
    How to intergrate it? I don't know? create a sticky thread that had daily contributions. At a particular time (i'd suggest 5pm- the content gets cut and paste to the main site?)
     
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    FIFY ;)
     
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