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Most Vertical Skied in a Day Challenge

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by Makeo, Jun 27, 2016.

  1. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Wait until that 'cheeky Bugger' is a kid in a milo vest! That humiliation is hard to put behind you LOL
     
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    98 kilometres per second! Wow - I'm impressed :)
     
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    9124vm at Perisher 2014 was the biggest day for me.
    Would like to crack the 10K this year.
     
  5. Heinz

    Heinz Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    My record for a heliski day was a day on Triple Peak in the North Buchanans by Wanaka in 2002. It was a semi charter day - we did extra runs before and after the regular day so ended up with 18 runs for around 11,500vm. All in excellent powder except the last run on the valley side which was crusty and that was enough for everyone to say ENOUGH. I was stuffed. Was great, but haven't had the desire to do a repeat of that. These days I'm happy to do up to 10, maybe 12 and have a bit of time to savor it.
     
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    I was talking to Randy Weiman today. He was telling me of a day many years ago he and some buddies skied 47 laps of the Kosi chair at Thredbo. about 25000 vertical metres. He said if the chair hadn't slowed down a few times they would have done more. One of the girls in the group did 42 laps, at 550 vm a pop. On a snowboard!
     
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    I think 47 laps would be a stretch. A couple of seasons back, I did 8 hrs of non-stop boarding (mid-week, late season, no queues) on 34 lifts. Mainly Super Trail and High Noon with a couple of Merritts and a stop for one coffee....

    [​IMG]
     
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    Additionally, Randy said, was measured using Avocet watches. On DH boards. It was ski patrol approved. However they were told to slow down after someone flew off into the trees and broke both their legs.

    I have no reason to doubt Randy. He is an icon in the Australian ski scene from an era when legends were made(1980s), and still is one of the fastest skiers on the hill today.
     
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    I can vouch for Randy's story. It is true.
     
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    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Vail (Perisher)

    Biggest Day
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    Big Steve almost killed me that day.

    Vail (US)

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    Top Speed 105.8 Km/Hr at the @skichic speedway (Northstar)
     
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  12. rdk

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    [​IMG]

    In the Three Valleys, though, so can't compare.
     
  13. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    The planets aligned today. Normo was knocked off top spot for the day.

    [​IMG]

    Tomorrow hoping for more snow and vms
     
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    Is Normo just lapping mid station?
     
  15. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Nah, he was last spotted being a Park Rat with Rocketboy.
     
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    Thredbo has this "Vertical Challenge" promo to win a heli-skiing trip in Canada or something:

    https://www.thredbo.com.au/promotions/verticalchallenge/

    Never knew about it until a mate mentioned he got an automated message / email or something saying he achieved > 5km in a day by the lift pass scanner data etc.
    Interesting.

    Have never looked at any vertical data snowriding anywhere or apps etc. - can't see any access to any such data via my thredbo.com.au website login (very little account info there at all really, mostly access to "shop" options to buy stuff) - there should be users lift scanner data available!

    Didn't have the Thredbo android phone app installed nor active whilst skiing - looks like it has some option to track some such data, dunno.
     
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    Does Thredbo have a vertical metres leaderboard like Perisher? I reckon you could rack some serious numbers by lapping Kosci.
     
  18. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    This happened in Japan in 2017. Shiga Kogen, not Tsugaike at Hakuba.
    About $60 entry. Hampered quite a bit by lift lines on the weekend.
    I ended up 2nd place with 7700m, 51.4km, and best outfit(!!). Won prizes for those: Down jacket, $350 of Adidas sport shoes, day pack and a whitewater rafting trip.

    Best strategy:
    - Steepest groomed vertical that does not mogul up
    - Fastest lift speed, detachable quad
    - Could not do anything about the lift line..... but eventually used one chair that ended up with just 10-12 people on the line
     
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  19. Undies

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    Thredbo app claiming that the current season records are:

    Most vert in a day: 1,931m on July 18
    Season vertical leader: 20,472

    Either nobody tracks their vertical, or there is something really wrong with their system.
     
  20. Heinz

    Heinz Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Fast lift systems in Austria make 10,000vm a day pretty easy. Generally tried to average that. There is the Saalbach Ski circus ski challenge where you need to take 34 lifts to ski Saalbach-Leogang-Fieberbrunn-Hinterglemm and back to Saalbach which takes around 7 hours and amounts to 12,000+ vm. Mentioned earlier this year in the Europe thread. I had a day though before that at Hochkönig where I did 13,000+vm
     
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    I reckon somewhere like Jackson Hole would be ideal. Rendezvous Bowl, a short traverse across the top of Thunder and onto the Gros Ventre. 4,000 feet almost all in fall line and serviced by a fast tram. Or the Face Bellevarde at Val d'Isere. All fall line and serviced by a fast gondola.
     
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    What would be par for Hotham?
     
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    ^^^^^^
    Heavenly chair is over 300vm.
     
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    Depending on tram lines I think a long fast quad like the Peruvian chair at Snowbird or the Challenger chair at Sun Valley would be just as good.
    It's pretty easy to get 15000 vm at Sun Valley before 2pm (including a lunch break).
     
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    hmm how many laps of this are achievable in a day? 25, 30?
    Would struggle to make 10k in a day on HV.

    Rough estimate: 10 mins up, 4 mins down, ski for 8 hours (or 480mins - 07:30 to 16:30 less an hour for lunch) that makes 480/14 = 34 laps for just over 10k (@300vm per lap)
     
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    Most i remember doing was a shade over 15,000vms at Thredbo last year, largely just smashing supertrail with no queues at Kozzie, gladed pissing on the hill and chairlift lunch.

    Was empty as anything in late August and little beauty and true blue had never in my memory skied so fast (just so firm and smooth without being icy, rare and incredible conditions that day, 27 August I believe it was). Thredbo app says it was the fastest I'd ever travelled on skis (won't say how fast though lest I be judged and finger waggled at!).

    Was also a 3.10pm finish to catch the Murray's back to Canberra, so could have been more. Just did not want to stop skiing that day. Amazing. Possibly the best day of solo skiing I've ever had, not due to vms or km/h or even the conditions, was just feeling amazing that day, every turn was just heavenly
     
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    I reckon that gondolas and trams are no good, because there's too much wasted time, getting on and off..... Particularly trams.

    Best to use a medium /long detachable quad, on a very wide slope, not too steep, so you don't get moguls. If the chair is too long, you can have fatigue issues.
     
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  28. Heinz

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    Trams/Ropeways definately would slow you down. Gondolas would be fine. Plenty of high speed gondolas and detachable chairs (4,6,8 seaters) in Austria.
     
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    When I was doing this (competing), I would get prepared and SKATE off the detachable chair, not having to stop until I got to the lift line at the bottom.
    With a gondola, you have to stop, take off skis, walk to the gondola, drop the skis in the racks, then load. And do the reverse when getting off.... even without a line, I reckon you waste 2-3 min each run.
     
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    And the Jackson Hole Tram gets you 4,000 vertical feet in what? 12 minutes. Improved line speed over minor complication at top and bottom.

    The Bellevarde gondola is even less complicated. You can ski to within a few metres of the load platform and are on the snow a few metres from the top.
     
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    If you just miss one you have to wait 12 min for the next, plus the line of people who didn't get on, wait for it to unload, before you can load. Plus you're the first on the next one, so you have to wait for everyone to unload at the top before getting off. Unload, walk out, put on skis.
    Potentially more than 25-30 min from bottom to top. Or maybe as little as 17min if everything works perfectly.

    The fastest detachable chairs run at around 1000 ft/min, so potentially 700ft vert /min.
    If we call it 500 ft/min, that's 4000 ft vert in 8 min.
     
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    And if you chair breaks down while you are on it and you have to be evacuated, or nuclear war breaks out...

    "If" is a wonderful word.
     
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    On the whole, if you a assume a random distribution of arrival times at the tram at Jackson Hole, that you can expect an average time bottom to top of 23 min(best 17 min, worst 29 min).
    (12 min up + average wait and unload time)
    No "if" about that.
     
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    That's why T-bars and pomas might be a dark horse... if the lift stops you can dump it and ski to another lift or hope it has restarted once you get to the bottom...
     
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    And "if" you beat the tram you rode up down (even I have almost done that) there's no "if" about it.

    Seriously.:rolleyes:

    And you conveniently ignore the Bellevarde option, which doesn't have your fantasised problems.
     
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    You have also forgotten that there are 2 trams, so longest wait between trams is 6 minutes. I have no idea where you invented 29 minutes from.
     
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    I was doing the sums on the Jackson Hole Tram. The time and vertical were not mentioned for the Bellevarde gondola, so it not possible to do calculations without data.

    "If" you beat the tram you rode down..... of or nuclear war breaks out...
    Even if things go perfectly: 30 sec to take off skis run to load "if" there is no line. 1 min to load and start. 12min up. 1 min to stop and unload. 30 sec to put on skis. = 3 min. 15min total if perfect.
     
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    Ah, no.

    Each tram, 12 min up, 12 min down. Each tram takes the same time to travel up as the other takes to travel down.
    If you miss the tram, it's 12 min until the other tram arrives at the bottom.

    if you just miss a tram, it's 12 min wait for the other tram to arrive. Then it's 12 min up. Total = 24min, not including load, line, etc.
     
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    Nooo. If you miss one tram the other tram arrives within 6 minutes.
     
  40. Hermannator

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    Upon checking the hotham app leaderboard for today, the top guy had 9,868vm using 47 lift rides. 2nd place 9,483vm with 24 lift rides. Wasn't too far off with my guestimate...

    Edit: I'll put "par" as 10th place, 6k vm @ Hotham...
     
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    Gondolas, detachable chairs and most poma lifts have a max speed of about 5 metres a second, usually closer to 4 m/s.
    T-bars and fixed grip chairs run at 2 to 2.5 m/s.

    But the old Summit Access / Howqua poma lift at Buller ran at 6.5 m/s for a few years before the inevitable carnage caused them to slow it down. There's a fair chance that it was the fastest surface lift or chairlift in the world that was ever open to the public.
     
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    Reckon at Hotham the t-bar is faster than the chairs... Will attempt to measure and report back...
     
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    No.
    The trams cross in the middle at 6 min.
     
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    It's a gondola, not a reciprocating tramway, so no wait.

    L'Olympique
    Type: 30pers. Tricable ropeway
    Ski resort

    Tignes/Val d'Isère

    Height/length:
    Base station1844 m
    Top station2696 m
    853 m
    2148 m
    Speed:8 metres per second
    Transit time: approx. 5:00 minutes
     
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    All a long we've been talking about the Jackson Hole tram.
    You understood that, because you said it takes 12 min to get to the top.
    The tram at the top also takes 12 min to get to the bottom, so the wait is 12 min, NOT 6 min.
    Therefore, if we are talking about just missing the Jackson Hole tram, it will be more than 24 min before you get to the top. (12min for the tram at the top to get to the bottom, and 12 min for it to take you to the top)
    You can talk about your gondola all you want, but we were talking about the Jackson Hole tram.
     
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    Nooo. All along I suggested the Jackson Hole tram or the gondola on the Face Bellevarde, which is apparently called l'Olympique, as examples of good places to rack up the vertical - there are probably hundreds more.

    You decided to focus on the Jackson Hole tram.
     
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    I remember back in 1991 I got some badge at Jackson Hole for reaching a certain amount of vertical over a period of a few days which wasn't particularly hard. Can't remember the numbers though and can't remember if I still have the badge somewhere. This was with the old tram, though from memory I spend much of the time lapping the upper chairs.
     
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    The Skiline system which is used quite extensively in Austria has been good at tracking most (missing a few resorts) of my days over the last 3 trips.

    Overall summary:


    Average did drop off a bit this year. As mentioned before that was all without having to ski particularly fast and still allowed decent lunch breaks at the very well catered Austrian huts (also important). A good lift system certainly helps.

    Biggest individual day was 14,748m at Bad Hofgastein / Badgastein in 2015. I think I would have had a fairly big day at Ischgl this year but they don't use the Skidata system.

     

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    Yup. Quite possibly still the record in OZ? I believe the most vert on a mtb is also at Thredbo (in OZ). Pretty easy one that, though from memory it was over 20 runs down cannonball. Im just a punter, my best was 12.
     
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    There was a charity event at Apex in the 90s for most vert in their 6.5 hour operating day. The lift and run setup were/are perfect for it. Detach quad 530 m vert, 6 minute ride time. Adjacent groomed run that also happens to be FIS homologated DH and thus has firm, but resistant manmade snow. Perennially small crowds anyway but lift priority was arranged by the resort for event participants.

    The fastest ex racer types could ski the Juniper/Old Mill track in under 2 minutes, and the fittest of those could repeat the performance 50 times for 26,500 m in the day. DH race skis were used for stability and speed, and skating off the lift unload was a must because of a small flattish area that would cost 10 sec if gravity alone was used. Race suits were not permitted, good thing because peak speeds would have exceeded 140 km/h (based on what we measured in races).

    During an actual DH race, run times are in the 1:20 to 1:30 range for this track, depending on set and snow conditions. During the Apex Vertical Challenge, competitors needed to average 1:45 to make it to 50 laps. The guys to beat were a pair of former national team speed specialists who traveled up from Whistler, but there were two or three local pairs who pushed them to within a lap or two.

    I'm with Sandy, most detach quads can be run at 5 m/s and there is zero stationary time for ski removal/replacement. Gondola and tram can't replicate that. The other thing is typically they serve hefty vertical, and with big vert comes big variations in pitch, direction and snow quality. It's not that easy to find a consistent steep, wide fall line groomer, and increasing the vert makes the task harder because mountains aren't made in factories. Long vert also rapidly piles up in terms of leg fatigue. Short bursts under 2 minutes with brief rest periods on the lift keep it manageable. Go much longer than that and lactic buildup in the legs will seriously degrade performance and control. Sounds counterintuitive but Sandy described the ideal set of conditions early in the thread. The Apex setup fits the bill perfectly.