Opinion Mt Baw Baw 2018 positives so far...

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  1. bawbawskier77

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    Thought I would put a shout out and some positives about the resort. I have been going to baw baw for 12 years this season, been a lodge member for coming on 10 years. My family all learnt to ski on baw baw and I hope that one day my grand kids can do the same. Most of 10 years all I have heard is doom and gloom about the resort being shut etc. Rumours of South face road being sealed and mains power etc.

    Yep all resort have challenges, but I think some kudos should go out to the current board and management. They are pushing #$@* uphill with current government policy, doomsday reports written from people that have probably never visited the resort and budgets/government departments against them (which baffles me given surpluses the state is running). The resort has some great people trying to do what needs to be done to the resort to make it long term viable. They also have legacy issues of past management not being able to manage the resort due to past state governments (labor and liberal) restrictions on what they were and weren’t allowed to do.

    So far this year the resort has got a big player partner this year. They have got Holden onboard.

    Two new magic carpets..

    A snow factory

    Drainage upgrades/fix ups

    It’s the 3rd weekend of the season and they have 5 lifts turning...i can’t recall Maltese running before school holidays in my time going up to the mountain. Yes we got a modest dump of snow last weekend but we normally always get one. Seems to me the snow factory was annouced as the key to underpin the resort this year...and so far runs are going on the board this season. Another 1-2 snow factories and some money spent on resort infrastructure (lifts) would more than make the resort viable and function for a full 12-16 week season.

    Would be nice if a state government that’s running large surpluses and vote buying with its 30 million premiers pickmyproject would commit to a resort that has been sadly neglected by past state governments other than doing the minimum. Give the resort management a 10 year plan/commitment, a master plan for its development that works (the current doesn’t) and 2 years infrastructure works program and maybe 20-30 million for upgrades including sth face rd. That commitment I am sure would then allow the resort to attract private investors that would probably result in a further 30-40 mil coming to the resort. Given the resort already pumps 19-20 mil into the regional economy for the 2-3 mil a year they tip in now, imagine what that type of investment would do regionally....

    Link the projects to have a regional employment quota, create local jobs and apprenticeships. Investment is the key and private investment will follow if the state invests first, private investment has and always will be about returns and security. Currently the state government gives the resort management no ability to offer the security private investment needs to invest for its returns.

    My Thoughts are black and white...always happy to give state negatives when warranted but also give the positives when due...

    PS..found it interesting the baw baw shire mayor at the snow factory opening proclaiming that south face road will be sealed....just didn’t say a timeline
     
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  2. snowgum

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    ‘Invest in the resort?
    ...oh Sir/Madam, if it was only that simple!’
     
  3. bawbawskier77

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    Yes we all know that....gotta keep the beuracrats employed so they can keep writing reports with out of date data/facts!
     
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  4. snowgum

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    True, look if they could find $ to seal SFR (help from BBSC), and somehow get a powerline into resort it would be much more sustainable in an economic sense. Perhaps a decent solar array & maybe a turbine, dispense with the elec grid idea?

    And a chair lift for the summit would do so much for the green season if some decent trails were cut. One day??
     
  5. Chaeron

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    Here’s a mountain bike mecca in the waiting which could possibly even double as a snow resort in winter.... :evil:
     
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  6. bawbawskier77

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    I have heard rumblings about power. From what I heard on the grape vine about sealing SFR that will go ahead but the only way power line up the hill will happen is with some form of solar farm grant from the federal government. Otherwise there are cheaper off mains grid methods of delivering power just that Ausnet is probably not interested when they are cashing a pretty nice cheque currently.

    Hopefully the momentum the current board has keeps up and they can push through a masterplan and get the funding to make it all happen.
     
  7. bawbawskier77

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    Completely agree....a little mountain that has #@%* loads of potential. 2 hours from melbourne it could be anything...

    Rejuvenate the facilities...add in a proper conference facility that is a decent size with some accommodation to suit that market and you have probably a $1-2 mil business for green season at good margins!

    Give VC a proper kitchen so the chef has a chance...cooking on in a room no bigger than a postage stamp must be a challenge

    Convert half the day carpark into a skate park/features for mountain bikes and skate boards....

    Add a kids playground so there is something for little ones when there is low/no snow and summer

    Temporary tennis/basketball court similar to what buller has.....

    Need as much passive income as possible to make things tick year round...

    Feel free to post ideas maybe someone on the mountain tracks these things!
     
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  8. Bpoos

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    Chairlift sure would be great! Do you mean up to the top car park? - But......you know what they did with the last chairlift up there dont you?
     
  9. snowgum

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    Yes! A summer resort (retreat from heatwaves) with a bit of snow as bonus in the winter!

    Lets face from Sth Gippy or Morn Pen & SE subs, Hotham & Falls are still a long drive, even in summer - 5-6 hrs+

    Bawbs offers a compact form within 2-2 1/2 hrs. Making a day / short weekend possible.

    Quite a selling point with fuel expensive, the Hume & CitiLink full to overflowing & Esp. Travelling with kids.
     
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    State election coming " Vote 1 Bawbawskier77 " ,would be nice to see a few more $ spent on Baw Baw, maybe fix up the public W/C, always smells like an open septic tank, and I should know, I'm a plumber LOL
     
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  11. bawbawskier77

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    have you been up this year? I actually think they fixed the sewer over summmer. We saw plumbers working up there
     
  12. snowgum

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    I was meaning replacing the Summit T bar - so that would be say 7-750 horizontal m and 90 vert m. Not huge but then that's BBaw - isn't it? Maybe the big chair (down to the old lower car park) could be stage #2 of the Bike expansion. Perhaps the better xc trails could be hardened to talke summer biking.

    As it is, theye a bit sloppy and rough and mind struggle if subjected to regular biking.
     
  13. snowgum

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    One of the problems that small mountains/ facilities face is that they're largely unknown by the big end of town. Without the interest from the big corps, my believe is that government generally has less interest than one of the big hills.

    Then there's all the lodges, and the race clubs, the ski hires and cafes and bars - again important stakeholders with potential to influence the Government. All this is largely lacking or much less prominent at Baw Baw. Hard to change the past. But the future could be shaped if enough care??
     
  14. 2ESki

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    Not yet, but champing at the bit :thumbs:
     
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    That chairlift sure would have come in handy over the weekend considering the debacle they had when they got a that HUGE 15cm snow dump!! Imagine how great it would be to be able to just ferry the day trippers up on a chair - would reduce the impact of inexperienced drivers surely. Funny though, it was pretty windy and snowy up at Buller too, but they managed to keep their road ploughed, cleared and opened! I know its a steep drive, but still, that requires extra responsibility by management to ensure that the road is ready to go early each morning. Someone might have to get up earlier to clear it in time? Like they do at the other resorts? But..... on the other hand, would have been worse still if everyone had actually made it up to the top - check out the queue at Village Central on a weekend in the middle of the school holidays - one order takerer and one barista to do the job!!! Really?????? They badly need some decent eating and drinking alternatives up there - there is just not enough available to handle the crowds.
     

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    It doesn't help that Kelly's is closed. The facilities simply cannot cope with the demand.
     
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    Yeah - I don't get it - The services on the mountain actually have been substantially diminished! They are trying to increase crowds with their snow maker, but they don't have the facilities to support them! Go figure!
     
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    Stay on topic?
     
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    Even with kelly’s Open the resort does not cope.

    Village is inefficient design from the people who scoped it. Alpine hotel and Kelly’s are 30 years old and end of useful life cycles.

    Best solution is bulldoze alpine hotel and build a new modern version designed to cope with volumes of crowds. Think the base building at Hotham. Just my opinion.

    But again..this goes back to government supporting the mountain to grow the infrastructure.
     
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    Hmmm, with that train of thinking though, every lodge on the mountain is at the end of its useful life......
     
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    Commercial buildings/operations such as alpine or village have shorter life cycles due to changing customer requirements. Village is only good as a boutique restaurant..which is not the market of baw baw

    To survive lodges need to evolve and keep up with some basic requirements on accomodation standards and yep some of the older lodges may not be viable to upgrade which is why people have walk away and left the mountain with the problem...I can think of at least 4-5 off the top of my head.
     
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    We are in an election year!
     
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    Yes we are in an election year, but unless BB gets an experienced and stable management nothing is going to change. Maybe we should rename this thread as 'Bouquets and Brickbats' instead?
     
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    Elections are mostly about swing seats. The safe seats dont really change much imo. Taken for granted.

    So could any W Gippsland seats change by spending money? Its a bit hard to think so,

    So very few go skiing snd only a modest no locals obtain jobs/ living there.

    Where as if Buller failed, you’d see Mansfield MP screaming!
     
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    Play to strengths thou...baw baw is in a liberal seat, with labour state government that shut down power stations in the valley. May not be super marginal or swing seat but 6% isn’t much with federal liberal on the nose and labor looking for every reason to try and look good in the valley....
     
  27. bawbawskier77

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    Have you spent any time with the current management to come to the conclusion on experience?

    Experience can be like opinions...very subjective.

    My view is the government areas above the board are the cause of problems. They change the structure of the board and management but give them the same tools and restrictions as before then wonder why the outcome is almost the same...
     
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    ...and same levels of recurrent funding.

    So inadequacies pervade.

    Govt owned ski resorts are a weird uncomfortable ‘love child’ of socialism and capitalism. No wonder they feel somewhat confused and unloved at times??? (;-/)
     
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    When I say 'experience' it is related to running a full alpine resort with accommodation/food and beverage/lifts/infrastructure/staff/lodge fees etc etc, and yes, I have some knowledge of current and previous management structures over the last 20 years or so, but I agree opinions can be very subjective. I always go with what I see, not what other people tell me.
     
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    Not just no Kelly's but Skiosk not open on Wicked Wednesday in school holidays. There were hundreds of people in the bowl. Many family groups using the new carpet. Have to say the lifties were, in general, positive and helpful although one dad said the lifty told him he would be ok to take 2 first time kids up the top of Hut run.They slid down the side on their bums in the ice. Poor advice.
     
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    Are the resort management working to achieve a successful partnership that encourages and supports private investors? There needs to be a spirit of trust and co-operation so that business owners have the confidence to know that the mountain management is behind them and backing them - they are after all the ones taking the risks. Private investment will never be successful unless there is stability and confidence.
     
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    My view is the resort should not be running them being accomodation, food or beverages, that’s where private investment should be. They should be like a council collecting rates/rents. Running lifts maybe as a part of base infrastructure.

    Key would be a master plan that supports private investment. The current master plan does not as the lots are too large and cost to much to get a decent lease length.