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6-seater detachable to be installed over summer. Will be (kind of) sad to see old blue bullet go. What a workehorse!

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Mt Buller skiers and snowboarders will enjoy a new, faster ride up Bourke Street next winter with the exciting announcement of a $6 million, 6-seater high-speed chairlift for season 2019.

The new lift replaces the legendary Blue Bullet quad chairlift with an upgrade to a larger and faster 6-seater. This means less time waiting in lines and more time on the snow for Mt Buller skiers and boarders.

“In 1983 Blue Bullet 1 & 2 were the first high-speed detachable quad chairlifts in the world. Local skiers and boarders will be a little sad to see Blue Bullet go as it’s been a big part of our mountain, but after moving a staggering 500,000 guests every winter - that’s 17 million passengers in its 34 year lifetime – we think it’s time to retire. There isn’t another chairlift in Victoria that has carried more passengers.”

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This will be the fourth new chairlift added to the network at Mt Buller since 2005.
 

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Good on BSL for still investing. This lift doesn’t benefit the ski bum as they steer clear of this area but still, better than nothing.

Hi speed on Wombat would be delicious. Maybe next cab off the rank.
 

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I remember the old double chair that BB1 replaced

How will bourke st handle the added capacity of a 6 seater?
 
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I remember the old double chair that BB1 replaced

How will bourke st handle the added capacity of a 6 seater?

The important part is the design of the load station in my opinion, it is not great at the moment and the benched area is not expansive
 
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Not a chance. Because it was the first detachable in the world it was essentially a prototype and there are no spare parts, when they pulled out BB2 they salvaged a bunch of parts to keep BB1 going.

Thanks

Do you recall where the chair from BB went ?
 
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How will bourke st handle the added capacity of a 6 seater?
It's as much an access chair - at the top you can turn left on to Bull Run or right on to Shakey Knees. Plenty of people start their day there so the 50% capacity increase will be welcomed - it can be a bit of a shitfight down there, I've managed to not ride it yet this season which is a bonus.
 

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It's as much an access chair - at the top you can turn left on to Bull Run or right on to Shakey Knees. Plenty of people start their day there so the 50% capacity increase will be welcomed - it can be a bit of a shitfight down there, I've managed to not ride it yet this season which is a bonus.
Most of my buller skiing days involved the orange pomas, to baldy and summit access. Had to walk up to helicopter flat if you were skiing orange.The very first weekend we were doing single ride tickets on the old blue chair, as well as the poma. Once I was buying day tickets, didn't have much to do with blue
 
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Well it isn't quite the oldest surviving detachable quad, there are a few still operating in Europe that are a year older.

Any news on who will be supplying the new six pack? I'll be a little disappointed if Buller sticks with their brand loyalty to Dopp when Poma and other companies are producing some rather good stuff at competitive prices.
 
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Well it isn't quite the oldest surviving detachable quad, there are a few still operating in Europe that are a year older.

Any news on who will be supplying the new six pack? I'll be a little disappointed if Buller sticks with their brand loyalty to Dopp when Poma and other companies are producing some rather good stuff at competitive prices.

I’m pretty sure it’s the equal oldest detach quad. There are some older detach triples in Europe though.
 

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Well it isn't quite the oldest surviving detachable quad, there are a few still operating in Europe that are a year older.

Any news on who will be supplying the new six pack? I'll be a little disappointed if Buller sticks with their brand loyalty to Dopp when Poma and other companies are producing some rather good stuff at competitive prices.


Well done Buller on another new lift

Massive visitor numbers this year help

Hopefully this is a Doppel lift as the new Poma ar falls is a joke
 
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Well done Buller on another new lift

Massive visitor numbers this year help

Hopefully this is a Doppel lift as the new Poma ar falls is a joke
agree that the new falls lift has been dreadful but IF the problem is icing up sensors, can you be confident that a doppel won't have similar issues?

hopefully something can be retrofitted to address the problem
 
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agree that the new falls lift has been dreadful but IF the problem is icing up sensors, can you be confident that a doppel won't have similar issues?

hopefully something can be retrofitted to address the problem
I remember hearing a story that when Doppelmayr engineers came out from Austria to check out Buller they were blown away by the rime we experience here, it's nothing like they see anywhere else in the world, and the conditions put more wear and tear on lifts than anywhere else. No idea about Poma's experience here but it would seem that Doppelmayr know how to cater for it.
 
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I remember hearing a story that when Doppelmayr engineers came out from Austria to check out Buller they were blown away by the rime we experience here, it's nothing like they see anywhere else in the world, and the conditions put more wear and tear on lifts than anywhere else. No idea about Poma's experience here but it would seem that Doppelmayr know how to cater for it.

I'm not that surprised to read that. Just think about how infrequently lifts go on windhold in the US (well Utah and Colorado) compared to here. Deicing as well.
 
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I remember hearing a story that when Doppelmayr engineers came out from Austria to check out Buller they were blown away by the rime we experience here, it's nothing like they see anywhere else in the world, and the conditions put more wear and tear on lifts than anywhere else. No idea about Poma's experience here but it would seem that Doppelmayr know how to cater for it.
That story dates from over 50 years ago. The story is that the Doppelmayr patriarch had built up a very successful surface lift company aided by their development of the best spring box for T-bars in the world at the time. But he was wary about chairlifts and suspected they were just an expensive passing fad.

So the younger generation of the Dopplemayr family quietly accepted an order for a double chairlift from Blue Lifts at Buller and discreetly had it built, figuring that building a lift for a place as far as you could get from Austria wouldn't get them in too much trouble if it wasn't a success. So that's how the first ever Doppelmayr double chairlift was built at Mt Buller. However in it's first winter (1964), there were difficulties with the build up of rime on the new Dopp chairlift and employees at the company thought Blue Lifts were being overly precious until they received photos in the mail of heavy ice on their new lift. Perhaps surprisingly, they sent engineers out to Australia to analyse the problem during the next Australian winter, probably because they wanted to get their chairlift design right, in the same way they spent so much time and money developing the best spring box for T-bars.

This is in stark contrast to the Swiss lift maker Mueller, whose 1958 Crackenback chairlift at Thredbo was riddled with problems including icing up and more alarmingly, the cable derailing from the sheaves and dumping passengers in the snow on a few occasions. They didn't send out engineers and eventually much of the original Crackenback double chair had to rebuilt with components from the American lift company Riblet. No more Muellers were ever sold in Australia after 1961.

Anyway, Dopp's example of high end customer service at Buller is supposed to have gained them a very favourable reputation in the industry, leading to them becoming one of the two dominant ski lift and ropeway companies in the world today. Mueller wasn't as successful and closed down circa 1990.
 

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That story dates from over 50 years ago. The story is that the Doppelmayr patriarch had built up a very successful surface lift company aided by their development of the best spring box for T-bars in the world at the time. But he was wary about chairlifts and suspected they were just an expensive passing fad.

So the younger generation of the Dopplemayr family quietly accepted an order for a double chairlift from Blue Lifts at Buller and discreetly had it built, figuring that building a lift for a place as far as you could get from Austria wouldn't get them in too much trouble if it wasn't a success. So that's how the first ever Doppelmayr double chairlift was built at Mt Buller. However in it's first winter (1964), there were difficulties with the build up of rime on the new Dopp chairlift and employees at the company thought Blue Lifts were being overly precious until they received photos in the mail of heavy ice on their new lift. Perhaps surprisingly, they sent engineers out to Australia to analyse the problem during the next Australian winter, probably because they wanted to get their chairlift design right, in the same way they spent so much time and money developing the best spring box for T-bars.

This is in stark contrast to the Swiss lift maker Mueller, whose 1958 Crackenback chairlift at Thredbo was riddled with problems including icing up and more alarmingly, the cable derailing from the sheaves and dumping passengers in the snow on a few occasions. They didn't send out engineers and eventually much of the original Crackenback double chair had to rebuilt with components from the American lift company Riblet. No more Muellers were ever sold in Australia after 1961.

Anyway, Dopp's example of high end customer service at Buller is supposed to have gained them a very favourable reputation in the industry, leading to them becoming one of the two dominant ski lift and ropeway companies in the world today. Mueller wasn't as successful and closed down circa 1990.
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Hans told me some years ago, he ended up sending them a Film, to show the level of ice, as stated above, they had no idea how bad the ice is was here. Get well soon, Hans.:emoji_snowflake:
 

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Hans told me some years ago, he ended up sending them a Film, to show the level of ice, as stated above, they had no idea how bad the ice is was here. Get well soon, Hans.:emoji_snowflake:
I've put that version together through a combination of plenty of hard facts and a fair bit of hearsay, but I'm pretty confident it's as accurate as anyone will ever get. But thanks for the correction that it wasn't photos but a film that Hans and/or Blue Lifts posted to Doppelmayr. If somone reading this is close to Hans or anyone else who was around at the time, I'd be grateful to hear how accurate my summary of the story is so I can record the best version for posterity.
(I'm working on a short book or possibly a video on notable Australian ski lifts to be released many years in the future.)
 

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The old Baldy chair towers had channel cross beam up top that filled up with ice creating and ice dome on top of the beam so when you climbed up to de-ice you couldn't reach out and belt the pulleys.
 

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Confirmed on Twitter that it's a Doppelmayr chair

:)
Would have been super surprised if it wasn't.

The only Poma chair at Buller is Howqua - it was essentially a freebie as Poma tried to move in on Doppelmayr but it's also a bit of a franken-chair - the bullwheel is only the width of a triple not a quad which is why the chairs tear around....

Looking forward to Grimus replacement which will be the next new chair.
 
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Can someone let Perisher know about the old lift . They could replace the old Mt p double with it . Ill go high speed detachable quad 1980s tech over 1950's fixed grip slowest lift in the world tech any day. Im sure most perisher riders would agree it might be sad for Buller faithful to say goodbye but we'd be happy to take it off your hands
 
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Can someone let Perisher know about the old lift . They could replace the old Mt p double with it . Ill go high speed detachable quad 1980s tech over 1950's fixed grip slowest lift in the world tech any day. Im sure most perisher riders would agree it might be sad for Buller faithful to say goodbye but we'd be happy to take it off your hands
I’d imagine the chair would be very costly to maintain as it was essentially a prototype. Don’t think Perisher would want it:(
 

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I imagine the BB towers and chairs will join numerous other past lifts in the boneyard. Will check it out over summer.

Still hoping for a late spring slide, but otherwise, looks like I had my last ride on the old girl earlier last season.
 

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Re the first high speed detachable quad chairlift.... seems there has always been some confusion about that...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breckenridge_Ski_Resort

Breckenridge installed the world's first high speed detachable quad chairlift, the Quicksilver Quad, running from the Village base area to near the bottom of Lift B. The lift was constructed by Doppelmayr.[1]
A few places on the internet support this. The lift has been relocated to Owl's Head in Canada and is still on their trail map today as the Lake Chair.
Crazy top station how the haul rope counterweight is completely outside the station itself.
 
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Avoid the thing like the plague but practically I suppose most Buller visitors are beginners or people trying out skiing/boarding. Most of them wouldn't venture much further afield so hauling them up and down the mountain is probably very important. Shouldnt give away my secrets but i just stay on the bus from the lodge until it gets to the Arlberg, bomb down Shakey then work my way across the North Side to the Grimus lift!
 

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top will be about a 1m higher (above the ground), to help skiing back down Bourke street,
but close to same load and unload locations.
 
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Was 1984 when it was installed not 83. Below were the old Bourke st and Baldy chairs being de-commissioned and the foundations for the mid-station of the BB being excavated
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Shame Baldy 2 engine house didn't burn to the ground, would have been a fitting end for it.
 
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top will be about a 1m higher (above the ground), to help skiing back down Bourke street,
but close to same load and unload locations.

I was wondering if the new cgaur unliad would make it easier for beginners to access Burnt Hut. Apparently not? Non skaters seem to struggle. Nothing new.
 
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