Opinion New lifts/ lift and snowmaking upgrades

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  1. kiter

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    After a record year I for one would like to know what's in the pipeline in these areas and offer some suggestions . Can the blue cow chairs be retrofitted with a delivery mat similar to the freedom chair and sped up ? IMO this would make for a better experience for customers across the whole resort . Blue cow is rightly a favourite part of the resort but the wait times on ridgechair are rediculous . Mt p sorry but the triple and double are woefully slow and queue times are bad here too .any plans here ? how about a high speed chair for Leichhardt and snowmaking . I heard that smiggsis getting more snowmaking good move .
     
  2. skifree

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    The moving mat is rubbish.

    Detachable chairs rule.

    We are stuck with the Guthega quad as is for a while.

    Put a detachable quad in for the Mt P double and relocate the Triple somewhere, i dunno where yet. Maybe @VSG can offer a suggestion?
     
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    Following.
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    delivery mat.
    jeebuz.
    really ??? .
    lost me there .
    sorry.
    I'm with D.
     
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  5. LMB

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    Detachable high speed lifts for the win.

    It's 2017 afterall.
     
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  6. Donzah

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    Insert.
    Freedom ****ed guthega
     
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  7. nfip

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    Yep.:cry:
    I soo restrained self from comment again.
    :deadhorse:
     
  8. nfip

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    They now so obviously need to re-place the duplex Calf T and some ( on demand ???).
    To help mitigate the issues now created from " unlocking" Guthega.
    The whole chair/ pub / fap has really cruelled it.
    IMO.
     
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  9. W0nkey D0nkey

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    Blue cow can have that bloody freedom chair. Bring back the Poma.
     
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    extend the Pleasant valley chair down rollercoaster and load next to Ridge chair...
     
  11. D-eye

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    I wouldn't say the freedom chair has ruined Guthega, however it does mean a lot of the good runs can't be accessed when it is on wind hold. That could be fixed by putting the j-bar back in on the other side of cow pastures and have it in operation on wind hold days.

    My main annoyance is slow running t-bars, in the past it's been extremely rare for them to run slow.

    As for Mt P the double/triple will be replaced with a 6 or 8 seat chair sooner or later.
     
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    Yuck, that is my least favourite load on the whole mountain.
     
  13. VSG

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    All been done by Perisher... albeit ages ago in the slopes masterplan.
     
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  14. VSG

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    From the Plan (2002)

    Mount Perisher:

    The combined capacity of the two existing chairlifts
    located on either side of the Towers Run is less than that of a single modern chairlift.

    It is proposed to replace this with a single detachable six-seater
    chairlift, located along the route of the existing double chairlift.
    This would have over 40 percent more lifting design capacity than the two existing chairlifts
    ...
    limitation of the six-seater chairlift, which is experienced also with the existing chairlifts, is that it would be prone to closure during high wind although to a lesser extent for two main reasons. First, the chairs are heavier, thereby resisting wind loads better. Second, by being a detaching lift, chairs can be removed and the rope speed lowered, allowing operations in high wind situations.


    And Eyre becomes a duplex



    #perisher @perisher Resort www.perisher.com.au
     
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  15. VSG

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    Yes
     
  16. VSG

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    From the Plan.

    15.4.1 Increased lifting capacity

    To better utilise the good slopes with reliable snowcover on the southern slopes of the Blue CowMountain ridge, a new fixed grip quad chairlift is proposed to run from Blue Cow Creek east of the bottom of the Cow Pastures platter lift to the top of the ridge next to the top of the Blue Cow T-bar. This would greatly enhance use of the area for bothgeneral skiing and racing purposes.
    An environmental assessment of lift options haspreviously been undertaken (Ref. 33) but this was done when Guthega was a separate resort and the options will be reviewed in the context of the current SSMP.

    Access to the lift would be by both repeat skiers using the south-facing slopes, as well as skiers circulating from Blue Cow and Perisher. The bottom station of the lift is expected to be located on the south side of Blue Cow Creek, where the terrain is less sensitive to disturbance than on the north side.

    To reach this station, a bridge for skier use is proposed across Blue Cow Creek near the bottom station. Construction of the quad chairlift would require a new access track to the bottom station. This may be integrated with access to proposed new lifts in the Link Unit as discussed further in Section 16.4.

    As indicated in Table 16.3, under optimum conditions with the extent of slope grooming proposed, the slope capacity associated with the proposed quad chairlift should be approximately in balance with the lift capacity. The slope capacity for the proposed T-bar would be well in excess of lift capacity. Future skiing capacity under other operating conditions is summarised in Table 16.4. When the resort was operating only on artificial snow, the Link Unit lifts would be available only for skier circulation, not for repeat skiing, due to the limited snowmaking proposed in the precinct. Being a north-facing slope, the precinct would lose snow relatively early towards the end of the season, and may not operate under marginal snow conditions.

    Under high wind conditions, the top of the chairlift would be exposed and this lift would not operate. The T-bar, however, will be orientated in the direction of the prevailing wind. Being a surface lift, it will normally continue to operate under high wind conditions, although only for circulation when it was dependent on snowmaking.

    A primary purpose of the lifts is for skier circulation as proposed in the PoM. They would be particularly effective in moving skiers from Guthega to other parts of the resort except during marginal conditions that may occur late in the season. They would have complementary functions, the quad chairlift providing high capacity movement back to Perisher under normal operating conditions, with the T-bar providing direct access to Blue Cow Terminal and providing a backup for high wind days when the chairlift was closed. It is therefore important to have both lifts installed. The existing access from Guthega to Blue Cow via the High Traverse would continue to provide a further means of movement between Guthega and Blue Cow under some conditions when both Link Unit lifts were closed (e.g. due to late season snow loss).
     
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    I heard a rumour that Vail are taking over Charlottes, putting quads in on little paralyser, paralyser and the face out the back of Guthrie's to link the two (with a skier bridge over Spencer's Ck) and that Thredbo/Vail have teamed up to offer combined passes and build a funitel from Thredbo village to Charlottes village with mid stations at Cruiser base, restaurant at top of twin valleys for the views (and side country access to twin valleys) and also at top of Mt Stillwell. Vail then decided that due to the difficulty of building a Perisher village they would actually extend a high speed ski tube to Jindy and redevelop the town centre with high rise apartments to turn Jindy into Australia's first ski city all the while now operating Australia's first true European style 'ski circus'.
     
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  18. W0nkey D0nkey

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    Aye, have a mid load at PV
     
  19. skifree

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    Are we smokin or drinkin?;)
     
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    Bars open!
     
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  21. kiter

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    Awesome
     
  22. VSG

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    Even better...

     
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    Four young kids including 9 month old twins, we all have the flu, nice mixture of drugs in system, severe sleep deprivation....... delirium!
     
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    Bummer about the flue :(, on the upside the side effects are working for you ;).
     
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  25. VSG

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    In case the point of this graphic was missed.

    Those looking for one lift to the bottom of RollerCoaster (from PV) may not have thought through the implications: funnelling a lot of beginners/inters into a steep, narrow funnel with dodgy snow at most times. And compressing the skier/boarder load at the bottom of Ridge.


     
  26. skifree

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    I don't mind punters being funnelled there, I hardly go there.:)

    As for the issues of them all being funnelled it matches the benchmark set (WBP) by Hotham's Snake Gully.
     
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    You mean like the bottom of Pleasant Valley?
     
  28. VSG

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    Mmm.. forum member hurt v badly there recently. Years since I skied Hoffem.. but it and Slalom Gully were breathtakingly busy and mad... all the skier traffic seeking out Heavenly Load. I guess there are the Eastern lifts now.. Orchard etc... to perhaps take some load...



    versus the situation at Blue Cow...

     
  29. skifree

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    Hotham, V poor design.

    Yep aware of Forumite injury in the gully, and it's way not the 1st.
     
  30. VSG

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    Kinda topgraphically challenged... and esp in AU we tend to site runs (and lifts) on S and E faces......
     
  31. skifree

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    True, but I cannot help but think it could be improved from the demo derby it is now.
     
  32. Lady Penelope

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    Just catching up with this thread. Is it 1 April already?
     
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    Oh behave.
    I'm moving pretty valley kiosk
     
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  34. GlenH

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    Haven't noticed that planned new restaurant at Guthega yet, according to them plans.

    Also, a mate of mine wants to know why The Burning Log never has a burning log.
     
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    Are you sure about that ?
     
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    Well, if one consumes their super hot chili con carne... the logs would burn.. :out:
     
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    True but inability/ unwillingness to spend money on solutions is part of it!

    The proposed Imagine lift at Hotham could help Slurpy Gully.

    So could Eagle Ridge - load spreading - but its what 95/96'. Since the last lift went in.

    Lots of good snowmaking at HV has helped but
    Bottlenecks remain unavoidable at peak periods.
     
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    LOL:thumbs:LOL
     
  39. VSG

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    Who can pay?
     
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    I hope they put a Maccers in too.
     
  41. VSG

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    Them Plans are over 15 years old. And, basically went nowhere.

    I think small elements of the Plan exist: protection of the mountain pygmy possum population on Mount Blue Cow for example. And the Quad on Blue Calf (Freedom Chair) was built, close to the alignment shown.



     
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    The only way to fix the queue times at ridge would be a 6 or an 8 seater to increase capacity, if you got a carpet you would have to space the chairs out more, there is a limit of about 6 second between chairs. All a detachable quad or a quad with a carpet does is get you off the lift quicker, it doesn't increase capacity at all.

    I say put a 6 on ridge and be done with it, oh and while you are there, put a quad up devils playground.
     
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    Here here!!
     
  44. Ted Harper

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    The latest I heard is that this will now in all probability NOT be undertaken this summer. Update from the same well-regarded source that had heard earlier in the season that it _was_ likely to be done. Would definitely be a good upgrade for the resort, even if I didn't have a degree of self-interest.
     
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  45. Bato

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    I heard they were just going to plonk a snow factory there.
     
  46. Ted Harper

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    I couldn't say either way for that, but the upgrade that I heard is->isn't going to happen was a new reservoir up the top of J-Bar Land (and lowering/moving the top of one or other of the J-Bars to fit it in), new pumping station, new water and air mains variously servicing the area from the Triple Chair around to J-Bar Land, and an assortment of fan and lance guns. That is what I had heard anyway, and was in-line with plans on the Major Projects website, but if it isn't happening this year then it doesn't matter, as what might eventuate in some future version of it might well be different again.
     
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    Yeah I heard along the grape vine of a snow factory for the Triple Chair.
     
  48. BlueHue

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    There's a DA in for the snow factory, currently under assessment.
     
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    That’s disappointing, although I’d add to my wish-list snowmaking all the way down Blanchy’s and/or Chair Runs.
     
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    That's a shame, Smigs is should a good area for the school trips etc and when open keeps people of FV which is busy enough. If I was resort management upgrading Smigs snowmaking would be no. 1 on my list.
     
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