(New) Snowmaking strategies at Baw Baw?

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  1. snowgum

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    With real (sky) snow in short supply and snow-making seemingly struggling as of 28/7), I'm wondering if any gurus/techs/ops can suggest what else can/should good ol' Bawbs to improve its quantity and placement of snow, so that more skiers/boarders lured more often?

    Some ideas (many suggested by others here in past years):

    - design a scheme for accessing cheaper & ideally more electricity so that urgent/future guns can be accommodated. This will need a grant from the state, much like the newer dam funded at Hotham.

    - buy more guns (as always) and better pumps (see elec comment above), and run them up the whole of the summit and Champagne runs to ensure at least two longer blueish runs can open. Remove rocky outcrops & any other obstacles (its a resort afterall!) to ski on shallow snow cover.

    - automate snowmaking asap - too many small windows with wet bulb temps at ,~ or just below -2c seem to pass with no snowmaking occurring (reported).

    - buy another groomer to spread all this extra white goodness (even an decent second hand one if need be - Buffalo anyone??)

    - buy a big slushie machine - as per Lake Mtn & Buller (yes more grants), & use as much as possible through the season. When able top up the toboggan run etc... or get a small second unit in due course.

    - blitz the marketing of the (hopefully) improved snow cover. Start with more cameras and place them on ski runs, not just around the village.

    - release snow reports earlier in the day (9-9:30 am is way too late for day skiers - they'll already be heading for Buller, Stirling or Lake Mtn by then!

    - be realistic with lifts likely to open - ie. If Painted Tbar & Big Hill poma are NEVER going to open (short of a 2m 1981 dump) then say & state the total as 5 lifts not 7.

    - importantly, start researching now and release a (Master) plan to state what needs doing to attract skiers, the costs of said options, a rough timeline, and importantly for Gippsland struggling post Hazelwood, the benefits (inc jobs x days) of the enacting the plan vs the loss/ risks of not doing so.

    - there's a whole green space/season thingy too - but its winter - so I'll leave that for another time.

    - A big thank you from me / Ski & snow community to anyone who provide any details as to the likelihood of any of the above options happening and ideally, current progress/plans toward the same.

    cheers, Keen Baw Bawer.
     
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  2. Hunter

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    All good ideas
    All required

    No money..........

    Bb would do well to look at what Corin has achieved ......
     
  3. snowgum

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    At the risk of sounding negative. Last night is a case in point:

    8 cm fresh at Bawbs overnight as of 30/6 but Bawbs is the last major resort to report.

    More importantly, its been 12 hrs since the wet bulb dipped below -2c & yet reports say snowmaking on standby! And state schools break for 2 weeks tonight!

    So I ask again - what the hell is going on in the snowmaking ops? What are they saying / not saying? Is it budget? Elec or water supply? Staff? equipment fault? Disinterest?
    All of the above??

    I remind everyone that even Lake Mtn appeared to make real snow last night!!!
     
  4. B.C Michaels

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    Baw Baw reporting they have acquired a snow factory machine for this year similar to Bullers and selwyn
    Finally some investment
     
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  5. Old_Towie

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    Ok Thanks for that So the CLUBS are going to Pay for this due to the EXORBITANT LEVEY that is placed upon them ??
    Good luck
     
  6. Chaeron

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    Vast numbers of punters are going to flood in from Melbourne and it’s going to pay for itself before the season is over due to the new management’s awesome marketing campaign and incredibly efficient management.

    The grateful public will respond by returning Daniel Andrews in the state election, and Ricky Muir will move to Tasmania to join the Jackie Lambie party. Oh wait,
     
  7. Old_Towie

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    The Management ?? did not help last year ???

    Keep taking the tablets.!
     
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  8. absentskier

    absentskier Old n' Crusty
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    How’s your sarcasm detector going?
     
  9. Chaeron

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    Manglement generally don’t help much, especially at Baw Baw. Not even the tablets are going to help with that! :whistle:
     
  10. chriscross

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    New CEO not a skier? Like previous LM appointment? So priorities somewhat different? Just asking.
     
  11. Chaeron

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    Interesting to see Baw Baw ads up on Youtube on the Channel 7 Winter Olympics coverage.
     
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    Carpark could be busier next year, and the carnage going down the "hill" :whistle:
     
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  13. Oldie

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    Got an email last week from BB saying that their "slushie" machine has arrived in Aus. Boasted that it could make snow in up to 15 deg C. conditions. Will be interesting to see how its use plays out this coming season.
     
  14. 2ESki

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    Sooo just wondering where the waters coming from? Bullers putting another dam in for snow making, don't see many dams up at Baw Baw o_O
     
  15. snowgum

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    Baw Baw is very wet plateau (almost Tassie like) and the creeks almost always run.

    You'd have to be a poor water manager to run out on BB - even with snowmaking! ⛷❄️
     
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    Not being an expert on these things, but I would have thought it's not as simple as dropping a hose into the creek and just pumping the water to the guns? I would have thought a dam would be necessary :confused:
     
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  17. Ben

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    Snowfacotry uses around 2 litres per second, depending on the model.
     
  18. 2ESki

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    Thats what I mean, you can't just stick a garden hose in and were off,you need some sort of "storeage" for it to operate properly IMO
     
  19. Ben

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    There would be plenty of water available from a moving water source, not necessary to have a dam. I think you are over thinking things and the resort has these things covered.
     
  20. 2ESki

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    Of course I am, I'm a plumber LOL
     
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    2l per second.

    That's 7,200l per hour for 10-14m3 of snow per hour.

    Is that it? Flat out?
     
  22. jungfrau

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    Assuming that calculation is correct , that’s a pretty good number if it can run all day .. imo
     
  23. 2ESki

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    Lot of water to suck out a creek :whistle:
     
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    Is there any reason they can't build a dam on one of these creeks? Or a slow pump to a tank somewhere during the day?
     
  25. 2ESki

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    Dams a dirty word in Vic :(
     
  26. crackson

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    Don't some Vic resorts strain the turds out of poo sludge and use the poo juice as snowmaking water?

    Which one was that?
     
  27. Charlie

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    There is a snowmaking dam on Tank Hill, 1000,000l, I believe!
    this tank has been emptied in one night in the past, just supplying normal guns
     
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    Buller.

    WATER RECYCLING & SNOWMAKING
    The production of artificial snow using current snowmaking technology requires large volumes of water. Forecasts for decreasing snowfalls in the future due to global climate change will increase the reliance of ski resorts worldwide on snowmaking. Mt Buller has invested in this technologyin order toprovide a better, longer season for us all to enjoy.

    Currently, water for snowmaking is drawn from Boggy Creek, a tributary of the Delatite River. Water is drawn out during winter, coinciding with natural periods of high water levels. The water is then pumped through pipes to snowguns around the mountain that spray it out as snow onto the slopes. At the end of the season when the snow melts, most of the runoff returns to the Delatite catchment, and some will end up entering the Howqua catchment from snowmaking on the southern slopes of Mt Buller.

    In recent years, an innovative trial was conducted to assess the feasibility of using the treated effluent from the wastewater treatment plant as a source of water for snowmaking. The benefits of this are twofold:

    • Decreased volumes of effluent released to the environment; and
    • Decreased extraction of water from Boggy Creek.
    The trial was successful, and following installation of new infrastructure and upgrades to the system in 2006, wastewater began to be used for snowmaking in 2008.

    Before the wastewater is used for snowmaking it is purified to Class A level for health and environmental reasons. This is achieved using ultra-filtration to produce clean, pure water. The Mt Buller and Mt Stirling Alpine Resort Management Board was recognized for this innovation by the United Nations Association of Australia at the World Environment Day awards in 2002. The new Class A Wastewater Treatment Plant can provide up to 2 million additional litres of recycled water for snowmaking per day.

    For more detail about the snowmaking process at Mt Buller, click here to download the Water Reuse Fact Sheet, and here to see a map of the Water Reuse System.
     
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  29. crackson

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    That's disgusting.
     
  30. Ben

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    Hotham does it too and is safe. It's a tiny percentage in the scheme of things and UV kills the germs.
     
  31. crackson

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    But its still dead poo germ cordial.

    It's wrong.
     
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  32. MarkV

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    If not a dam, then at least a weir would probably be required to keep the suction side of any pump at the right level.
     
  33. teckel

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    Most European cities use treated effluent for drinking water. It's not as disgusting as you might think.
     
  34. chriscross

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    Adds another dimension to the concept of steep and "deep"!
     
  35. 2ESki

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    Or that the snow was " :crap: " today :whistle:
     
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    Yes it is. <100micron poos that are sterilized and bleached are STILL just little poos.

    It's sick. Its exactly those particles that make farts stink.
     
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    I hope you never drink water from the tap in an inland town.
     
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    Probably best that he never drinks anything. All water is ultimately recycled effluent - even the water in the ocean. Think of whale poo. LOL
     
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    :nerd: Its all whale poo cordial. And fish cum. Run for the hills. The top of the hills.
     
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    Will make no difference. The rain there is evaporated whale poo cordial.
     
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    That IS why beer was invented
     
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    Ah yes. The monastery near the Broad Street pump. The clincher.
     
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    Which is 95% water.
     
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    The circle of life.
     
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    The previous house I lived in had a second meter for recycled water clearly marked not for human consumption. The grass loved it, never needed fertilizer.
     
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    Snowmaking is not the answer. Baw Baw is not a Thredbo with 400 guns that typically run most nights in -4 degrees and it never will be.

    In my opinion if Baw Baw want to invest, they should do so in utilising the terrain and what the resort offers naturally in a much more effectively and efficient manner.