New Sugar chair for Remarks this summer?

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Really exciting news
I wonder if they'll keep the existing Sugar lift
Chondola experiment at Cardies has obviously been a success if they're replicating at Coronet
Might grab a Gondola myself on those bitterly cold Southerly days- the current Express can be wicked cold
 
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Unfortunately more uninspired trails coming from NZski. Totally killing fall line, the best damn run on the hill.
 
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Kiwi resorts have done a lot of improvements over the last ten years and doesn’t sound like stopping anytime soon
 

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Unfortunately more uninspired trails coming from NZski. Totally killing fall line, the best damn run on the hill.
I was happy when I received their email this morning about the lifts................but that looks stupid!
And where to the racers practice gates if they cut a run across "fall line"?
 

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I was happy when I received their email this morning about the lifts................but that looks stupid!
And where to the racers practice gates if they cut a run across "fall line"?
this is my biggest complain. fall line is my favourite run on the hill! only decent consistent fall line... hence the name!
 

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this is my biggest complain. fall line is my favourite run on the hill! only decent consistent fall line... hence the name!
Yep, no drama with the run down the outside of stash, but the other is just stupid. Surely they could just build a cat track from near the bottom of the existing lift down to the new lift base?
 

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Yep, no drama with the run down the outside of stash, but the other is just stupid. Surely they could just build a cat track from near the bottom of the existing lift down to the new lift base?
Its all about attracting new markets ;) they are catering to intermediates. i guess the excuse would be the upgraded shadow chair.. maybe they might finally do something better on waterfall face below shadow. and i guess if they are serious in the doolans its gonna have plenty of good terrain.
 
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Its all about attracting new markets ;) they are catering to intermediates. i guess the excuse would be the upgraded shadow chair.. maybe they might finally do something better on waterfall face below shadow. and i guess if they are serious in the doolans its gonna have plenty of good terrain.
Wonder if homeward will ever get a lift (even a old one)?
 

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I worked up there a few years back and they were talking about putting a express quad to the top of the chutes and putting the old shadow chair out homeward.

I also wonder if the coronet express chair will get refurbished and become shadow express??
I had a random thought some years ago that a chondola type lift up shadow to the lookout over Queenstown would be a tourist winner in all seasons. Much better view than the new lift locked in for Coronet. But hey, Coronet is close to town.
 

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I had a random thought some years ago that a chondola type lift up shadow to the lookout over Queenstown would be a tourist winner in all seasons. Much better view than the new lift locked in for Coronet. But hey, Coronet is close to town.
Its actually incredible how many people go up there just to see a ski resort even in summer. I go up there after work in spring for a tour and there is usually a good 20 or so people just milling around, looking at snow, the view etc. with the paragliding and the biking on offer up there its pretty good place to hang out and the bonus is its usually alot cooler than town in summer!
 

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I’m in two minds, I honestly love the Remarks just the way it is.
It’s far from perfect but it’s this that gives the people with local knowledge the upper hand on where to go when it’s good and where rarely gets tracked out on a good day.
Access to the Doolans would be great but kill a lot of it’s Beauty the same if they put a chair into Wye.
It’s really a resort that favors those willing to boot pack or skin a little further off the lift.
 

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I’m in two minds, I honestly love the Remarks just the way it is.
It’s far from perfect but it’s this that gives the people with local knowledge the upper hand on where to go when it’s good and where rarely gets tracked out on a good day.
Access to the Doolans would be great but kill a lot of it’s Beauty the same if they put a chair into Wye.
It’s really a resort that favors those willing to boot pack or skin a little further off the lift.
Doesnt really matter, you can always boot and skin further. its a big mountain range and doolans right branch is only one tiny basin :)
 
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Doesnt really matter, you can always boot and skin further. its a big mountain range and doolans right branch is only one tiny basin :)
Beginner Intermediates is where the bucks are and they will wring every blue run out of the ski lease they can
I give thanks for 25 years of solitude in the Stash so all good things come to an end
But my boys will enjoy riding a comfortable lift to the top of the terrain parks in Sugar hopefully for as long as I've enjoyed the soft piste up there
 

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Unfortunately more uninspired trails coming from NZski. Totally killing fall line, the best damn run on the hill.

Sorry all, I'm a bit of an interested bystander here. I get to Remarks every few years. Last visit was 2016 so I saw The new big chair in action (Alta?). But alas I haven't boot packed to the top to Check out Doolans et al.

Has anyone got access to a map of the back side of Remarks, and even better, a crayola line of where a lift might be installed?

Playing devil's advocate here: I'm guess snow might last quite well in Doolans being south or southeast facing - especially compared to the front bowls which seem to catch a lot of sun (by NZ studs), heat up and get quite sticky (more so than say Cardrona or Saddle Basin).

All in all - an exciting development - esp. for older skiers getting a tad jaded skiing the same slopes every year or two. (;-)
 

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Well this was my thoughts on how it should go a few years ago but their new realigned sugar chair doesnt really fit into that.

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i based it off this somewhat offical document that was used for the Curvey basin chair resource consent.
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The new sugar chair would work with where ive placed a quad chair in the top right of the image but the proposed alignment still requires a chair over the ridge unless they are still going ahead with the tunnel idea in which case its probably not a terrible place to put it.
 

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Interesting map!

Clearly quite a large area - up to 500 m vert so be a good leg (tele) workout.

The saddle taking the access chair would be pretty gusty much of the time - can understand investigating a tunnel.

Not sure, a tunnel would be allowed in Vic or NSW but perhaps NZ DOC works differently??

I Assume this will take a year or two to plan /approve??
 

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Interestingly enough i was in heli ridge on sunday, which on the map i posted of my thoughts on where chair expansion should go is marked as "Mid station unload" and there are survey markers along the ridgeline, last winter they were along the new route down sugar bowl so im guessing the pressure from Cardies/Soho and Treblerona is pushing Doolans expansion to the forefront. Ive also heard rumours around town that the gondola from frankton to the remarkables has been ordered.
 

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Interestingly enough i was in heli ridge on sunday, which on the map i posted of my thoughts on where chair expansion should go is marked as "Mid station unload" and there are survey markers along the ridgeline, last winter they were along the new route down sugar bowl so im guessing the pressure from Cardies/Soho and Treblerona is pushing Doolans expansion to the forefront. Ive also heard rumours around town that the gondola from frankton to the remarkables has been ordered.
The avalanche hazard assessment for the Frankton - Remarkables gondola has been done, so they are certainly a decent way down the planning stage.
 

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Just received a email from NZSki saying that the new 6 seater Sugar chair will be up and running next season........................along with Season Pass prices. :whistle:
 
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Was up there the other day and they have all the foundation cages up there as well as 3 containers from doppelmayer and a few towers too.

Pass is up slightly but cheaper if you buy before midnight tonight ;)
 
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Also heard from multiple different people Ohau are putting in a T bar for this season??
Anyone know if it's true?
No action on the snow cams from what I can see
 

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Also heard from multiple different people Ohau are putting in a T bar for this season??
Anyone know if it's true?
No action on the snow cams from what I can see
I was up there doing some work related stuff on closing day and there was no mention of it, but things can change quickly for the small operators.
 

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Also heard from multiple different people Ohau are putting in a T bar for this season??
Anyone know if it's true?
No action on the snow cams from what I can see
Believe they are putting the second peak chair in his summer or it was there plan...
 

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100% relevant. i had always heard that they would put in the 2nd chair when money allowed. with the US ski team training at Ohau a lot and more and more busy days (i believe i was there when they had almost 1000 people on mountain last winter) it could finally be the time. Time to snap up a holiday house in the Ohau village!
Average houses in Twizel for $700k. Why would ya?
 

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Yes and no.

QT was a better place back when there was no super markets just the four squares to get food from and there was car parking and the place wasn't populated with a million dick heads.

Wanaka was peoples escape from the Queenstown circus but the same mistakes have been made in Wanaka.
 

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QT was a better place back when there was no super markets just the four squares to get food from and there was car parking and the place wasn't populated with a million dick heads.

Wanaka was peoples escape from the Queenstown circus but the same mistakes have been made in Wanaka.
The first ski film Warren Miller ever made he camped in a caravan in the Sun Valley resort parking lot and Bald Mountain was considered extreme skiing
Could you imagine that in 2020?
Unfortunately people want to live and play in beautiful places and the balancing act is trying to ensure that development doesn't kill the reason people wanted to come in the first place
You're welcome to visit the Gold Coast and see that done badly and then Noosa to see it done...okay
Having been what I would describe as a part time resident of Queenstown since 1993 I think they are on the bad side of the ledger and central QT is a place I now try to avoid
 
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I'm quite glad, for Te Anau's sake, that Luxmore never took off as a ski hill.

Further expansion at remarks is going to draw vicious opposition from certain advocacy groups. I sometimes (often) think they don't realise that the horse has well and truly bolted. A bit ironic given that many of the squeaky wheels are blow ins who've turned up in the last five or so years, riding the coat tails of tourism. It's a bit shit, and sad for those of us that have known these places for decades, but it also is what it is.
 
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I'm quite glad, for Te Anau's sake, that Luxmore never took off as a ski hill.

Further expansion at remarks is going to draw vicious opposition from certain advocacy groups. I sometimes (often) think they don't realise that the horse has well and truly bolted. A bit ironic given that many of the squeaky wheels are blow ins who've turned up in the last five or so years, riding the coat tails of tourism. It's a bit shit, and sad for those of us that have known these places for decades, but it also is what it is.
We've had this discussion so many times before!
If you own a car there's still places to live in the Lakes Area that are beautiful and not necessarily expensive
Is there anywhere in NZ these days where housing is cheap?
 
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