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New Volkl Kendo 3D Radius Sidecut. Marketing crap or a genuine game changer?

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by FatBoyDave, Jun 11, 2019.

  1. FatBoyDave

    FatBoyDave One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    3D Radius Sidecut. Marketing crap or a genuine game changer?
    I read the review about variable turn radius and my first response was "don't all skis do that?"
    The more edge or pressure you apply and you get a different shaped turn...
    I haven't skied the new Kendos yet but interested in anyone who has.
    I had a look in the shop and compared the last years Kendo to the new one and in terms of shape (with skis last years ski and current version held up tip to tip)and I couldn't see any real difference.
    I will say that the ski seems noticeably softer to flex and gives a more natural bend. The previous years model flexes a lot at tip and tail but not so much underfoot (where I assume it has a decent bit of metal).

    I demoed the M5 Mantra (for an afternoon) on which these new Kendos are based and quite liked them in the limited time I had on them. They felt so much more manageable than the previous Mantras, especially at low speed, they didn't need anywhere near the amount of input required of the previous version to get them to perform. Anyway, keen to try the new Kendo later in the season but interested in if anyone has tried these yet.
     
  2. Annabuzzy

    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think most manufacturers now build a sidecut with more or less natural radius at different points in the ski. Since they’re all doing it I assume there’s something in it.

    Since however you could probably tell little difference between a ski with variable radius vs constant radius sidecut, I doubt it’s game changing. Nor do I think it’s baseless guff though.
     
  3. Onlybackscratchers

    Onlybackscratchers One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Line Supernatural 92 skis are promoted as having a 5-cut sidecut for different turn shapes. How well that works I'm not sure. However I did witness my son flogging me all weekend at Hotham on his new pair.
    New ski conditions?
     
  4. Seth

    Seth Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    They are if he isn’t paying for them.
     
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  5. FatBoyDave

    FatBoyDave One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Geez, I hope they're hire skis....
     
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  6. Onlybackscratchers

    Onlybackscratchers One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    1st year apprentice, he payed for them. Thanks to Elevation107. With Griffon binding, waxed and delivered for under $750. I just had a look at them and amazingly only one small nick in one base.
     
  7. linked_recoveries

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    Variable radii (different in tip / underfoot / tail) have been around for years. You can find skis from the late-noughties that were built with that concept. Kastle turned that concept into an 'elliptical' radius in (about) 2015, and the new skis felt exactly the same to me.

    Volkl's 3D radius sidecut is described as being a tighter radius underfoot, with a straighter shape in the tip and tail. I imagine the 3D name comes from the combination of variable radii and the early rise / rocker in tip and tail. It'll work about the same. Not necessarily a game changer, but it does make for a more versatile ski.

    The new Mantra 102, as an example, is designed with a softer flex, and the straighter tip / tail shapes are likely to help it track without becoming hooky in deeper, heavier or cut-up snow.
     
  8. Chaeron

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  9. Kletterer

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    Basicly a less demanding ski for washing off speed.
     
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  10. Chaeron

    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Park & Ride (i.e suss technique) on the turns marketed as a technical innovation.

    What’s next - soft, short, wide skis marketed as specialist groomers? Oh wait...
     
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  11. Kelpieboy

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    Oh you mean these skis ?

    Picked them up on Friday and only had a limited play on them before putting them away till more snow/less people. Marketed as a 50/50 ski ,general purpose if you like and seem to be a decently good ski for those that like it a bit stiffer ,much stiffer than the K2 Mindbender for example. Best steered with fairly stiff boot flex as well I would think , I used 130 flex boot on Friday but will be dropping down to 110-120 with my new 2020 Atomic Hawk Magna 110s boots ,adjustable to 120.
    Game changing ? No I dont think so ,marketing hype probably not ,could be presented with a more adventurous and eye catching colour scheme maybe yes but they fit into the modern black footy boot type ,dont need to be flashy to be good.
     
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  12. rowdyflat

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    Marketing hype.
    I have the Supernatural 92 s , they are a nice ski but not really revolutionary.
     
  13. DPS Driver

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    We call it Paddle Tech and it's been part of the DPS Wailer 112 since inception.

    The Wailer112 has a 15-18 mtr turn radius. Nothing new but it is new for Volkl. Go back 7 years an there were little to no skis with the straight section running off the sidecut so the Wailers really stood out from a shaping perspective. Now there's lots that look similar.

    It makes them surfy and quite easy to ski but if the torsional stiffness of the ski isn't up to scratch then they can be a bit dull for advanced skiers. If the ski is really strong and poppy then they're heaps of fun.
     
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  14. Chaeron

    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Wailers absolutely rock. The capacity to ‘bounce’ out of the turn, rather than ‘wash out’ of it is the advantage of the Wailer profile at the back of the ski.

    And the way DPS designs their skis, if its a different length they retain the turn radius profile irrespective of length of model...

    Disclaimer: no shares, no association with DPS just a very happy Wailer 113 owner... hopefully the first of many DPS skis - looking at a narrower and a touring set to complete the quiver - just need more dough...
     
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    Love to have happy customers. Ah the old Wailer113 eh! That must be the 2022 model;)
     
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  16. Chaeron

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    Can’t wait!LOL
     
  17. Chowder11

    Chowder11 Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Marketing gimmick name for a technology that has been used in skis for a long time which does work in the way it’s suggested.

    It allows the ski to stiffen as it is progressively flexed through a turn.
    Coming out of a turn is where it plays nice also, it doesn’t throw you quite as much as a stiff ski, especially if you get lazy or are a bit off your balance, making the ski a tad more forgiving without compromise.
    I’m a fan of the M5, haven’t been on the Kendo yet but expect good things.
    It would be one of those skis you’d happily pull then pin on before testing and be very confident your getting a really good ski.
     
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