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Niseko 08/09

Discussion in 'Japan' started by GIRO, Aug 5, 2008.

  1. Heinz

    Heinz Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    except for other foreigners.
     
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  2. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    True.....
     
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  3. Charles

    Charles Addicted Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes, one of the few places in the world that still believe in honor and respect.

    Funny thing which I am very embarrassed about but I will share it with you all. I was in Tokyo last season when I was looking at which train to catch when a Japanese person came up to me and said I can help you. He asked where I wanted to go, I told him the location and he explained to me which train to catch on the electronic board. He then said "You now give me 300 yen".

    I thought hey! That is a bit cheeky and said not now, I don't need to go there yet" He said OK, no problem and went on his way. It was only till later that I realised that all he wanted the 300 yen for was to put it into the machine to buy me the ticket.

    I felt like such a twat after that.

    The first moral of the story is never assume everyone in the world is dodgy and if you are in Japan, erase the thought altogether.

    Second moral to the story, just try and learn the basics of the language, it will save you a lot of trouble.
     
  4. Cham

    Cham One of Us

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    Cash Cash Cash....but you can pay for lift tickets with Credit Card. If you run out of Cash you can get cash out in Kutchan which is a 10 min free bus ride away and great place to get out of niseko for a bite.
     
  5. Go Native

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    Unless you're traveling in India where I can assure you that unless you assume everyone is dodgy you will assuredly be completely and utterly ripped off and swindled.
     
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    Cash-I did top up in Kuchen.

    My budget (and Im never cheap) was $100 aus per day per adult, Id half it for a kid. Was a good number, days of splurge, days of lean. Ps this number has worked in the US, Europe and the insanely expensive maldives. This does not incl lifts, accom or gear but it totally includes everything else except buying FO expensive kit additions.

    You budget with this number you will have fun.
     
  7. markopolo

    markopolo Naughty Corner Resident Ski Pass: Gold

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  8. Heinz

    Heinz Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes, I think your'e pretty close to the mark there.
     
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  9. markopolo

    markopolo Naughty Corner Resident Ski Pass: Gold

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  10. markopolo

    markopolo Naughty Corner Resident Ski Pass: Gold

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  11. skiflat

    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    Snow for the next 14 days me thinks [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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  12. markopolo

    markopolo Naughty Corner Resident Ski Pass: Gold

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  13. smitty484

    smitty484 Old n' Crusty

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    This is looking impressive [​IMG]
     
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    toby1 First Runs

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    Puking at the moment, faceshots under the ace quad this morning, xmas night looking off the hook.
     
  15. Cham

    Cham One of Us

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    Off the dial...snow every single bl@@dy day and lots of it as well. You lucky b@st@rds who are there at present! Have a good one.
     
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    Yea, thanks for the advice.

    Here is my log of the AUD to JPY exchange rate this year.
    Unfort I missed about 6 months [​IMG]

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    Exchange Rates, from:

    http://www.xe.com/ucc/

    AUD$ 1.00 = JPY$ 93.98 (Yen) @ 28/01/08
    AUD$ 1.00 = JPY$ 96.98 (Yen) @ 04/02/08
    AUD$ 1.00 = JPY$ 99.04 (Yen) @ 24/02/08
    AUD$ 1.00 = JPY$ 91.20 (Yen) @ 29/03/08
    AUD$ 1.00 = JPY$ 70.72 (Yen) @ 09/10/08
    AUD$ 1.00 = JPY$ 65.20 (Yen) @ 11/10/08
    AUD$ 1.00 = JPY$ 66.83 (Yen) @ 16/10/08
    AUD$ 1.00 = JPY$ 67.57 (Yen) @ 22/10/08
    AUD$ 1.00 = JPY$ 65.12 (Yen) @ 02/11/08
    AUD$ 1.00 = JPY$ 66.02 (Yen) @ 09/11/08
    AUD$ 1.00 = JPY$ 65.23 (Yen) @ 14/11/08
    AUD$ 1.00 = JPY$ 60.33 (Yen) @ 15/12/08
    AUD$ 1.00 = JPY$ 62.63 (Yen) @ 19/12/08
    AUD$ 1.00 = JPY$ 60.89 (Yen) @ 22/12/08
    AUD$ 1.00 = JPY$ 61.54 (Yen) @ 23/12/08

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    Thankfully, our crew paid for most of our trip several months ago (airfares, accomm, transfers, lift tickets) - it would cost a lot more now.

    I hear that the Commonwealth Bank in Martin Place, Sydney City is one of the best banks to exchange currency at, prior to flying out of Sydney, as long as you have some kind of Commonwealth Bank bank account.

    We will be looking into this and hoping mightily for our AUD to strengthen against the JPY over the next 6 weeks!
     
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  17. Simonw

    Simonw First Runs

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    Hey Everyone

    Only 4 days to go. The forecast looks good until after new year. Does anyone have any idea of the forecast after new year? I know it is a long way out (very much crystal ball gazing) though it looks to be pretty dry after the 2nd until the 8th. Anyone agree? It would appear to be a rare event for Hokkaido weather to be so stable for 6 days straight haha
     
  18. Kelster

    Kelster Hard Yards

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    The ATMs at the 7/11s in Kutchan work fine - I used them when they first went in earier this year.

    Your just need an eftpos card witth one of the international symbols like cirus etc.

    You no longer have to go when the post office is open during business hours.
     
  19. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well no, it's not unusual to have a bit of snow most days in January.

    You have to understand WHY it snow in Japan. When you say "it looks to be pretty dry after the 2nd until the 8th", why do you say that? Because there is no frontal "system"??
     
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  20. Simonw

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    I made the assumption (whether correct or not) that snow falls based on precipitation, and that assumption was based on looking at the GFS model on wunderground, the unisys maps above, and the fact that there were relatively light winds from the north during that period.
    I understand that the interaction between cold winds and warmer sea air often results in winds lumping powdery burden (of the snow variety) on mainland in Japan. I read your point in the Hakuba section earler...pretty interesting actually.
    So as you pointed out, in Japan, frontal systems are not required for it to snow, though I guess some discussion on the outlook post NY was what I was after....

    Thanks for all your input in these posts by the way.... it is pretty handy.
     
  21. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    The tricky part is that most of those models that show the amount of precipitation tend to be wrong when we're talking about the northwestern side of the Japan alps.

    So for example, I've based my prediction of 60-80cm of snowfall at Hakuba PURELY on wind direction and strength!!!

    In Tokyo today, it was a brisk northerly wind, cold for the first time this winter, and sunny..... This is a SURE SIGN that it will be dumping at Hakuba, and all of the snow resorts in central Japan!!!!! So even without LOOKING at a weather map, if it's a brisk northerly wind, cold and sunny in Tokyo, I will usually expect it to be snow up there!!!! [​IMG]
    And when it's raining in Tokyo, it will often be raining on the central snow resorts!!

    Hokkaido is a bit different. A northerly will blow across the Kamchatka peninsular, with a little, but not a lot of snow, plus the water is colder, so the wind doesn't pick up as much moisture. A west/northwest wind is better.
    e.g.
    You can see the wind from the NW today. Notice how the moisture is picked up within 100-200km of the Asian mainland, dumped on Japan, leaving another rain shadow south and east of Japan. However, because today's wind was cold and strong, it's blow right over the mountains, and picked up more moisture SW of the Japanese coast and out into the Pacific!!! Also, you can see where it has blown through "gaps" where there are no mountains!!

    [​IMG]
     
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  22. markopolo

    markopolo Naughty Corner Resident Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sandy, does that mean for places like Niseko that there are less "whiteout" conditions ?
     
  23. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well, I'm not really sure, because whiteouts are related to cloud cover and level. I do notice, however, that when it's snowing heavily in many mountains in central Japan, the visibility in not too bad. (Unlike Buller & Falls Creek)
     
  24. Simonw

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    So essentially that dispels the thought that Hokkaido would be dry from those dates, given a brisk north westerly air flow.... and it almost creates its own precip?
     
  25. Donza

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    I think the vissie is better in Niseko for sure due to the altitude (or lack of it).
    Its very common to be skiing incredible powder at 600-700 metres.ASL.
    The thing that stops you seeing in Niseko is the heavy snowfall. Not the low cloud.To a point.
     
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  26. skiflat

    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    Not sure that my 14 days of Japan experience count for alot, but while in Niseko only had one day where it was a "whiteout" and it was dumping snow heavily!

    Even so the bottom 1/2 of the mountain was great, try going to Mt Buller for 14 days in a normal season and only having 1 whiteout day [​IMG]
     
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  27. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I haven't looked at any weather maps for those dates, but if there is a northerly as you say, it should be snowing.

    If you base "no snow" on Australian conditions (e.g. a southerly wind but no cold front or low pressure system), while Australia would be cold and dry, in Hokkaido it will be cold and snowing quite a lot.
     
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  28. Kelster

    Kelster Hard Yards

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    Powderlife are reporting 160cm overnight!

    http://www.powderlife.com/snow-report/

    Daily Report - December 26, 2008


    A mother of a storm came thru last night and Grand Hirafu is reporting 160cm of snow overnight up high!!! It's still wild and woolly out there now and all lifts are closed except for the family (but it'd be a tough kid to be out there learning in this). If the lifts open tomorrow it's all on...
     
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  29. smitty484

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    Hmmm 160cm....I wonder if thats a typo?
     
  30. smitty484

    smitty484 Old n' Crusty

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    And that is for the 26th (yesterday) which conflicts with what snowjapan have reported.
     
  31. skiflat

    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    160cms does not fall in one night of snow

    160cms is the reported base depth
     
  32. Go Native

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    Yeah that's snowdepth not new snowfall. This morning we're up to around 180cm up high with massive drifting on lee slopes around the mountain. Still plenty more snow to come so looks like we'll break 2m this weekend.
     
  33. Charles

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    Keep it coming I say, the advantage of boarding with locals last season is now I know where the snow drifts to [​IMG]
     
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    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    Best source of daily info
     
  36. markopolo

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  37. skiflat

    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    When do you leave markopolo ??

    Bit slow on the updates lately [​IMG]

    Snow continues for the future [​IMG]

    http://www.snowjapan.com/e/daily/niseko-now.php
    Current snow depth 105cm at village level, 230cm up top

    Heavy snow continued through much of yesterday continuing the awesome conditions on the mountain. The winds and snow eased overnight and this morning it is relatively calm and only light snow falling. The top lifts should be operational today giving access to some areas that haven't seen any turns in the last few days. I wouldn't expect the gates accessing the bowls and the Peak would open today with avalanche danger still pretty high. Tomorrow though there is a fair chance for first turns off the Peak. If it does don't forget to pack your snorkel along with your beacon, shovel and probe.
    Over the next couple of days a fast moving low pressure system will move through northern Honshu intensifying snowfalls over the region again. The large area of low pressure to the north of Hokkaido is very slowly moving eastward and the northerly winds will not be coming from quite as far from the interior of Siberia. So temperatures this week will become milder with daily highs at the base of the mountain getting up around freezing most days. Snow is expected to continue through much of the outlook but conditions will become a little heavier at lower levels.
     
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  38. markopolo

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    New Years Day AndDee, lots of snow !!! [​IMG]
     
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    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    markopolo Naughty Corner Resident Ski Pass: Gold

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    General question: Can you pick up hire gear later in the evening ? We arrrive about 7pm on saturday evening.
     
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    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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  42. markopolo

    markopolo Naughty Corner Resident Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks AndDee, what about NBS, their website doesn't say anything and they don't reply to email !!!
     
  43. ratherb@thesnow

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    Another 40cm over night, lucky buggers.Excactly 30 days today until we go and that will be three weeks earlier than I went this year. Next year I may have to make it even earlier as its killing me just sitting here waiting. I'm talking three friends along this time and after all the good things I've been telling them about the snow I will be hoping that we get some good falls during the week we are there.I had a nightmare the other night that woke me up in a cold sweat, that after all my hype it fail to snow the whole time we were there. fingers crossed
     
  44. markopolo

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    for everyones reference NBS hire section closes at 8pm.
     
  45. groovy_wizard

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    Heaps of snow here in the past day or so... but the wind shut down almost all lifts today, only 4 low lifts were running. It is supposed to lessen a little tomorrow - hopefully [​IMG]
     
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  46. buhdlik

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    Hey guys!

    We are currently at Niseko and loving it - even though most of the mountain is shut [​IMG] - the experience of the different culture is awesome!

    We are looking for some places to eat out here that arent too expensive? or if they are a bit pricey, that's ok if they are worth it!

    Not looking for traditional styles japense meals as such - had belgium styled meals tonight and loved it!

    Thanks,

    chris
     
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    there was a mad japanese tepenyaki BBQ down the street between 383 and pow pow that wasn't too expensive but the food was fantabulous. wild bills and big cliffs was nice also...


    but for the best traditional japanese if your up for it i thought was the restaurant at hurry slowly i got engaged there
     
  48. markopolo

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    It snows a lot in Niseko !!!! Just finished a great week here, some pics etc over the next few days !! Thursday was bluebird and the views are stunning.
     
  49. Go Native

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    Some pics from Niseko this last week from local ski guide Mike. It's been a pretty good week [​IMG]

    And we've had around another 40cm already today and hopefully get another 40 tonight! God I love this place! [​IMG]

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  50. Cham

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    Awesome shots