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Niseko 2016

Discussion in 'Japan' started by blutek, Jun 3, 2015.

  1. blutek

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    You got it good this week, it's been non stop snowing.
     
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    Been an amazing week.
     
  3. Froff Life

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    Today was another epic day, still pretty easy to find fresh snow in the afternoon too. Seems everyone hikes the peak straight away & some of the other lower down gates are left untouched
     
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    Clever boy! ;)
     
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    Yep that's what often happens. As the avalanche report often says, be modest, be cautious, be scientific, be humble in the mountains.
     
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  6. Chester

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    Off-piste skiers/snowboarders often go where everyone else is going, places that are higher, further, and apparently better. It's sort of a 'sheep' mentality, they follow everyone else in belief that's where they need to go to find the best snow. They think that they're missing out if they don't go where everyone else goes. In doing so they often bypass places that are a lot more easily accessible and closer, places where the treasures can be found.
     
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    Not if you have AAMI travel Insurance.
    Enjoy your skiing with confidence!!!!!.................................. P.S. no affiliation with the above mentioned insurance mob. But i did buy there product for our recent Japan trip
     
  8. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Good news on the lift infrastructure upgrades!!!

    After winter the King hooded triple is being upgraded to a high speed quad.

    And the following year the family lift is being upgrade - a high speed triple or quad. (Quad, please make it a quad....)

    That's a start!!!
    Although I'll miss the bubble - it's my favourite lift.

    @Ramenman , it begins...it's not Yotei or shirabetsu-dake but it's an improvement! LOL
     
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    That's great, and it's real, I mean, even Hokkaido Shimbun is reporting it:love::cheers:
    http://dd.hokkaido-np.co.jp/news/economy/economy/1-0232622.html
     
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    Okay, keep Mt.Yotei untouched for backcountry skiers who are not lazy to hike up for 6 hours to the peak to ski down for 20mins;)(I'm a lazy one, unfortunately:oops:). Well, how about thisROFL?.Red parts are skiable area and blue lines are new lifts or gondolas:cool:. Mt.Weiss and Mt.Iwaonupuri can offer 300 to 550m vert, and Mt.Chisenupuri can offer 700m vert:cool:. As you know, the vertical drop of Moiwa is about 450m. So if my plan comes true in the future, it's like we get 10 new MoiwaROFL:cool:
    https://www.google.co.jp/maps/@42.8838362,140.6477274,13.45z/data=!5m1!1e4
    [​IMG]
     
  11. TDS

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    Whats the general consensus for next week? I land in Sapporo and get to Niseko next Tuesday!
     
  12. Froff Life

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    King hood triple is one of my favourite lifts, but so so slow. Glad it's getting an upgrade.
     
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    Some r*** for the weekend, before turning to snow on Sunday. Get excited
     
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    Hoping I get to experience a couple of decent dumps in my week there!
     
  15. Chester

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    Just hope that there's enough snow to cover up any rain damage. I was there exactly 10 years ago and it had rained before we got there, then it snowed but not enough to cover the damage, so we were bottoming-out all the time. Then it rained again and snowed again, similar cycle, same result for the entire time we were there. Not the most memorable trip!
     
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    Everyone seems to think that this rain event shouldn't cause huge amounts of damage for the deeper based resorts... No more rain is forecast next week it is back to freezing temps so should be fine!
     
  17. Donza

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    It depends where at Niseko you are riding.
    first trip, you should be fine
     
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    Hirafu is my main base :cool:
     
  19. Donza

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    Its 95% of peoples main base.
    Chester is a bit more....um expansive in his riding... though I get his sentiment.
     
  20. LMB

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    I didn't mind the speed. The hood made the time not so much of an issue.
    I hope it doesn't lose the hood moving to a high speed quad!
    Other negative is it'll attract more people onto that part of the hill... Dang!
    I never waited very long there.
    The queues are at Family, Ace quad and Gondie.

    A high speed triple for Family PLUS an access lift up to the top of the Quad from the family base would be good.
     
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    Very much agree Lady M!
    I also read they are making the access from the gondola to the King hooded lift ski able, no more walking up that small but annoying hill!
     
  22. blutek

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    ... or turn right & uphill for Mirharashi trees.
     
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  23. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Bang!!!
    Now that's a win!
     
  24. Donza

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    Band aids.
    niseko needs new lifts... not rehashing.
    last new lift was swinging monkey?
     
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    Upgrading existing lifts will help Donza.

    The queue for family can be half the length of the quad but it'll still take 3 times as long to get your bum on it. A) coz it's a slow fixed grip and B) coz it only takes 2 bums at a time maximum.

    Just increasing the Gondie from a 6 to an 8 has made any queue move faster.

    These are good upgrades.

    More still needs to be done to get the morning crowd UP and away from the family lift though. And to bypass the quad, coz no one wants to go from one horrendous early bird queue to another - by the time you're sitting on the unprotected Quad your morning coffee wants out! :eek::froth:LOL
     
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    That run out on holiday is a killer though! So flat
     
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  27. Chester

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    I can understand your sentiments about a new chair attracting more people. We have two rickety, very slow 2-person chairs that both access great terrain. This coming summer, one will be be replaced by a high speed detachable 6-person, but the other will be left alone ... forever I hope ... it accesses the best terrain in the resort.
     
  28. Chester

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    Especially painful on a snowboard.
     
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    Sorry, I was referring to the off-piste where it takes a considerable amount of snow to undo significant rain damage. The groomers only need 'some' snowfall and a drop in temperature to suck out some of the moisture.
     
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    Eat enuf ramen and you'll be fine
     
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    Got me there.

    Mountainwatch predicting 60cm on Sunday now..
     
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    Elephant snot at those temps, hope not for your sake, that's a might fine dump, I'd be proud
     
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    I'll give you Weiss (it's flatter than homozono), hands off the rest Ramenman -love child of VSG
     
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    Also check snow forecast.com
     
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    Haha, yep, it's flat, but if the skiable area is larger, it will get a bit less crowded on good slopes;)
     
  36. LMB

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    Not sure that's true Ramenman, if there are more flat pistes available it'll open up more beginner terrain, which could ease congestion on family and holiday and similar areas.

    The 'good stuff' will hold numbers because people won't leave to ski at Weiss if it's flat.

    It'd be a great option for a family holiday location, kid friendly, away from the bars, mellow pistes with no one zooming in hot from the top to take out little Johnny during his lesson. If they added other kid friendly snow activities to the area it could really nab a niche market.
     
  37. blutek

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    I remember I read this last year, I wonder if they really eventually open Haru no Taki in the future.
    http://niseko.nadare.info/?eid=1068809
    This avalanche happened in Haru no Taki in 1998, and Haru no Taki became Strictly Off Limits, right?.If they may eventually open Haru no Taki, how about Yu no Sawa?. It might be good if Haru no Taki and and Yu no Sawa open for limited number of experts like Mizu no Sawa under avalanche control.


    [​IMG]
     
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    This is where the new luxury Ski In Ski Out condominium hotel named Skye Niseko will be built.
    https://www.facebook.com/skyeniseko/
    http://skyeniseko.com/
     
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    I gave up caring about developments at Niseko many years ago. I'm just hoping the damage doesn't spread too quickly.
     
  41. Undies

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    Nimby! ;)

    Seriously though, as much as I hate the hoards on a fresh snow morning, or during a quiet beer after dinner, I also want the Japanese ski industry to be healthy and profitable in the future. There are a lot of ski hills that are teetering on the edge of death, or passing over it in recent years, so we really need some of the Niseko hoards to spread their wings a bit and give some of that precious tourist $$$$ to those who continue to struggle.

    It sucks for us who want the hill to ourselves, but it's also important that those hills exist in the future.
     
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    While I agree with you... how much of the money being spent in Niseko is actually going back into the community ?
    A lot of the businesses are foreign owned. The Japanese long since driven out.
     
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    There's a ramen joint in Hirafu that 5 years ago was charging 550Y for a bowl, then a couple of years back it was a little over 1000Y. This year it's 1650Y. It's tasty, but that's some crazy inflation that's going to the local owners.

    Having said that, you're right that a lot of revenue goes to the likes of SkiJapan, Rhythm, etc which will be channeled straight out the door. Then there's the rising cost of home ownership etc for anyone unfortunate enough to be brought up in the area. But I guess that's ski towns the world over.

    That seems to be the conundrum: we want profitable, healthy ski areas that aren't on the brink of bankruptcy. Yet to drive that profitability requires foreign tourists, which means foreign businesses as well will set up shop. While some of the locals may take advantage and flourish, there will be others who are forced out.

    It would be great to think that the smaller Japanese ski hills would be able to start marketing and growing themselves for the foreign market without outside help, but to date that hasn't happened as fast as we, and they, might like it, so we've had a few hills and towns go bust along the way.
     
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    Japan is also the cool thing right now. Euros and Americans have seen the photos of deep pow and are coming here to experience it.

    My view is this will drop off in a few years.

    Asia though may remain a growth market
     
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    If you were a Japanese hill that needed more visitors, would you target westerners or Chinese?
     
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    Niseko is such a microcosm of Japanese life though... , its but a tiny blip in the scheme of things. Ski hill wise.
     
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    I don't think they target either.
    That's their problem.
     
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    There are a billion Chinese within 3 hrs of Japan. If only half of one percent ski that's still more Chinese than westerners that would visit Japan for skiing
     
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    I just found out from a mate currently in Niseko that the Crab Ramen in Hanazonoo has gone up to 2,600y

    Apparently the portion has gone up in size too!

    So that a god thing i guess?
     
  50. blutek

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    Had it back in 2005. Can't get a table in 308 now.