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Niseko 2016

Discussion in 'Japan' started by blutek, Jun 3, 2015.

  1. (Adam)

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    Honestly, I have no idea what an apartment for a week in January goes for...
     
  2. Heinz

    Heinz Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I have no idea either, except that being Niseko it is likely to be at least twice as much as anywhere else.
    Could be one of those cases of, "if you have to ask you can't afford it".
    You are not a cashed up Chinese businessman?
     
  3. blutek

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    In Niseko, most apartments are built and owned by foreign Investors who seek maximum return over the ski season. There are only a couple of somewhat expensive hotels.There are cheaper lodges & hostel style.
    Have you checked the big snow travel agencies website listings for an idea of costs? And are you looking for a large group?
     
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    Japanese friends of mine think pachinko parlours = uncontrolled gambling and casinos = controlled gambling. They think gambling controlled by the government is a lot better than uncontrolled gambling. I think it's the same as Niseko United decided to set backcountry gates. I mean, controlled BC is better than uncontrolled BC.
     
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  5. Vermillion

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    They're right. I have it on good authority that at least some of the pachinko palours are owned and run by North Korea, who funnel the funds back into their country. If you want to support that disgrace of a country by gambling and sending money across to them, then good luck to you.
     
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    I was re-reading the article about Niseko Village's new lift & gondola, and I noticed "six-person chairs and eight-person gondolas". Six-person chairs:eek:!?. I would rather want them on Niseko Grand Hirafu or somewhere else in Japan, not on Niseko Village:doh:. Has anyone seen six-person chairs in Japan?. I haven't
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  7. LMB

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    They will be the first.
    It will be a chondola.
    It will access beginner terrain - reminds me of the V8 on front valley. Whoever thought it was a good idea to cram multiple beginners onto a massive chair either didn't think it through or has an evil streak!
     
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    How many people you looking for? Bottom end 2 bedder $100 per person per night in January (I.e $400 a night) Top end, how fats your wallet?
     
  9. Donza

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    Front Valley V8 is great.
    This lift is not...
     
  10. Heinz

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    Not in Japan. Very few new lifts in Japan at all. Plenty of these in Austria and one in Treble Cone. There are 8 seaters in Austria as well as many new gondolas but not on the same lift.
     
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    Doesn't mean it's right. The Japanese landscape is littered with the decaying relics of overdoing short term Asiatic tourism booms.
     
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  12. Rabid K9

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    Lech has a six seat chair and eight seat gondola on the same lift, which runs up from the cross country gondola connection to Warth. Quite a strange lift and a little confusing.
     
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  13. Heinz

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    That would be confusing. Slight problem if you had a group of 8 lining up and a 6 seater turned up - squeezy.
     
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  14. Donza

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    It makes sense in this lift's case.
    The gondie will be for the shoppers , and the chair for the learner skiers.
    Just makes me laugh..
     
  15. Sandy

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    Sorry, but this is not correct IMO....

    Before the 2000's, there was never any intention to attract large numbers of skiing/snowboarding tourists into Japan.

    Back in the bubble period (1980s-mid 1990s) there were around 15 million Japanese skiers/snowboarders.
    Now there's around 6-7 million. So the Japanese landscape is littered with the decaying relics of the decline in domestic snow sports numbers, not due to Asian tourist boom and bust.
     
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  16. Chondro

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    Everyone complains about niseko being over run with bogans.

    Looking at the price hikes on accommodation for next season I can see that the average "aussie bogan" will no longer go to niseko, and instead be heading somewhere on honshu where its a bit cheaper.
     
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  17. Rabid K9

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    Indeed I was aware of this. By Asiatic, I was referring to the domestic decline and the dangers of short term trends.
     
  18. Donza

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    Hasn't this been happening for awhile?
     
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  19. Donza

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    BTW Bogans can have money as well.
    They are called miners.
     
  20. Sandy

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    I read this:

    Tourism means people from outside of Japan.... or has that meaning changed? :p
     
  21. LMB

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    There's is one in Zermatt, might be a 6/6 or 6/4 but the load for Gondola and the chair were on opposite sides. It was very easy, not confusing at all. Worked like a Swiss Watch LOL
    If you got off the funicular, you took the Gondola. If you were a foot passenger you took the Gondie, if the weather was fierce you could climb the stairs and take the Gondie. Otherwise you skied down and onto the chair.

    But yes, it does seem like overkill in this situation. I wandered the Niseko Village shops the day before yesterday - the glass shop is divine!!! - there were people in there but the shopping area just didn't have any 'life' to it. It wasn't bustling, maybe they're hoping this will help.

    I can understand cutting a new beginner run and servicing it with a high speed chair. But if it were my choice Id make it a quad - less bodies to get tangled up at the unload.
     
  22. LMB

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    Were!
    The age shift is apparent.
    Almost all the young ones we talked to were season workers. Holiday makers were most often Middle aged to retirement players.
     
  23. Vermillion

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    Well really that just depends on where J* run their next promotional campaign to.

    PS - Bogans are all cashed up. 'Our' unions have made sure of it. Sure, they may need to put the 24" chrome dubs on hold for the Navara, but you can bet your black ass if J* are running a 'sale' and the boyz want a trip, they'll make the trip.
     
  24. Chondro

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    Mining boom is gone
     
  25. Donza

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    still got money
     
  26. LMB

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    Not so much. Not so many.
    There has been huge layoffs recently and many recontracted on lower rates.
    Still some, yes, but not like the heyday.
     
  27. Ramenman

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  28. Vermillion

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    Scoping lines from single lane mountain roads, then hitting those lines is what Japan is all about for me.
     
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  29. Ramenman

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    Impressive video. You're quite the forum's Japan expert. :)
     
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  31. Marty_McSly

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    Agreed.

    Mining bust is in full swing.

    Soon miner will mean a 457 visa immigrant who can barely afford a bowl of rice.
     
  32. Telemark Phat

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    Last time I interviewed for staff I was lucky to get the applicants. In recent interviews there were 30+ applicants. Mining is really on the down swing.
     
  33. Ramenman

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    Local media are reporting today that the population of Hokkaido is shrinking but the population of Sapporo, Niseko, etc are growing now and Douou Area of Hokkaido (Douou is where there are Sapporo, Otaru, Niseko, Kiroro, Rusutsu, Shin-Chitose airport, etc) will keep growing as a new highway and Hokkaido Shinkansen are coming to the area.

    This is the number of foreigners living in Kutchan. Niseko United mountains are in 4 villages, Niseko, Kutchan, Rankoshi and Kyowa. The number is only the number of Kutchan (Niseko, Rankoshi and Kyowa are not included, let alone Rusutsu, etc)
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    A new highway is coming.
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    Shinkansen is also coming. Shinkansen is coming to Kutchan(Niseko), which means, a huge complex for the Shinkansen station will be built in Niseko. As is often the case with a new shinkansen to a rural side of Japan, a huge complex is built in the middle of rice fields and a new town is made around the shinkansen station:p?. Or the new shinkansen station will be like a huge ski-in ski-out station like Gala Yuzawa station, and gondolas take us to the slopes of Mt.Yotei directly from the shinkansen stationROFL?. A casino will be built by the time:whistle: (Casinos are likely to get legalized in Japan in the near future)
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    http://dd.hokkaido-np.co.jp/news/society/society/1-0243992.html

    Hokkaido Shimbun Press is reporting today that increasing number of backcountry skiers from abroad has been rescued this season. According to Hokkaido Prefectural Police, 38 backcountry skiers have been rescued in Hokkaido so far, and 18 of them are skiers from abroad. The number is the number Hokkaido Prefectural Police recognize, so I assume the number of the backcountry skiers who have been actually rescued this season is bigger.

    The article says that more and more backcountry skiers from abroad have been coming to Hokkaido, so Sapporo Teine newly opened backcountry gates last season, and Kiroro and Furano this season for the first time. 12 were rescued in Niseko, 6 in Teine, 4 in Rusutsu, 2 in Mt.Asari(=Kiroro and Sapporo Kokusai). 2 of them died:(. About 8,000 out of 10,000 registered backcountry skiers of Kiroro are foreigners. 80%:eek:? Really:eek:?.

    I'd rather take it as a good news. A lot of backcountry skiers from abroad are coming to Hokkaido, as a result, a lot of ski resorts in Hokkaido have started setting / expanding their backcountry areas. It's good for both backcountry skiers and on-piste skiers:thumbs: (Having said that, I don't want my favorite ski resorts to get crowded:doh:, so yeah, I guess it's time to put gondolas on Yotei or somewhere elseROFL)
     
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  35. LMB

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    Wow! I'm actually surprised that 20/38 were Japanese!

    Doesn't surprise me.
    The process to leave the gates at Kiroro requires completion of an online read the knowledge, answer the questions, registration. You must pass the quiz to be allowed to register for the mountain club. Then you need to check in and out with mountain club at the start and end of the day so they know no one is still out there. At the gates they check that beacons are on and working and that you have a pack with gear.

    Some local guides are facilitating the registration process but it's not something you would just 'do' because you were wandering past like the Hirafu gates. It would take a little pre planning and I expect would be undertaken mostly by people geared up and there specifically for the bc skiing. It's also new. So unless you knew someone who had done it, or belonged to a bc community etc you might not have heard about it yet.
     
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    As I went went out one morning to ..
    Sorry wrong thread.

    As we were driving in Iwate (really) recently this little sucker came snaking through a bluebird snow field by a real roadside, and it wasn't at the speed you'd expect by reputation.
    My camera was caught in my pocket thus missing out on a a photon capturing chance I deeply regret.
    The Shinkansen doesn't get to Kutchan (not exactly Hirafu) till 2025 or similar. Youtei is a National enough Park and basically like lots of things in Japan the reality doesn't match the presentation.
    Basically, chaps and chapesses you are being taken for fools by someone here, and it is not me.
    As I saw somebody say recently if there is no pic it didn't happen , allowing for tech problems, I obviously am a devotee of this creed.
    Posting somebody's else's vids and never a pic of your own? pretty stuffs your cred here I'd reckon.
     
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    Hi, I'm new to this forum
    I hope to go to Niseko for about a year from this summer season. Is there anybody here who can tell where I can get a used western styled bike in decent shape? I'm not that tall! (160 cm)
    Any advice would be welcome :thumbs:
     
  39. Mufts

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    Being not that tall is perfect as you will struggle finding anything to fit if you are (trust me).
    Road bike or Mountain bike?
     
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    Thank you for the answer Mufts.
    A Road bike it is. Since it mainly would be used for commutting it would be appriciated if it had some more resistant tires and could take some load compared to a racing bike.
     
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    Hokkaido island is a mecca for cycling too, not only skiing and Niseko is one of the most international places in Japan with many English speaking people, so you don't need to worry, you'll be able to get one easily with the help of Westerners or English speaking local people there. Sapporo is quite a big city with 2 million people, so if not in Niseko, you can get one in Sapporo. Sapporo to Niseko is about 90 - 100km, a good distance for road cycling;)
     
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    Thanks, but 100 km is problably a bit to optimistic for me xD. Language won’t be a problem though. I’m bilingual with Japanese. Just looking for the best bargain for a bike. I don't think i can survie long without one. Is it possible to bring it on to the train??
     
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    Yes you can take a bike on the train but it has to be in a bike bag or box. Friend I ride a lot with up here has a light weight bag he carries in his back pack so he can do train/bike ride trips. Great riding here you'll love it.
     
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    and Plumbers, Sparkies, Urban Planners etc etc
     
  46. Hyst

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    Urban Planners???????
    Sorry if I should offend somebody, but seen from google steet view Niseko looks like a klondike place.
     
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    Those blokes holding the stop sign and wearing the fluoro mick chopps hates so much probably earn more than you and I do too :(
     
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    Not being native English speaker I had to look up this and found this:

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bogan

    This is really discourage me of visiting my daughter in Niseko next winter - sounds rather bad? Any options to avoid them in the area?:out:
     
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    I dont think the bogan's alone should discourage you, but the crowds.... yeah...
    I think Hirafu is where the bogans mostly congregate, so try a different town.

    Based on my experience this year, I wouldn't go back and stay in Niseko, I would stay somewhere closer to Sapporo and drive into Hanazono if I really wanted to visit Niseko. My local host in Sapporo was staying somewhere around Mt Yotei and hitting up Moiwa and Rusutsu mostly. I would also add Kokusai/Kiroro/Teine to the list.

    I am not so concerned about bogans, just crowds.

    P.S. But dont go to Kokusai on a weekend!
     
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