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Niseko joins the Mountain Collective

Discussion in 'Japan' started by JA2340, Aug 13, 2018.

  1. JA2340

    JA2340 Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Nozawaman A Local

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  3. JA2340

    JA2340 Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Maate ... allowed to diss anywhere I want to ...
    Was there before the wins, and left because too many bogans. Many more places to see and ski ... with some genuine culture thrown in free! Killer, for us, was when "Wazza's Pies" started up, and the "100Yen Noodle" cart shut down.
     
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    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Mnnn, wasn't planning on skiing Niseko in January, but if I'm getting 'free' lift passes I might need to reconsider my position.
     
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    MarzNC One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Not that it really matters, but Niseko has been on the MCP as a Global Affiliate. The difference is that for 2018-19 it's a regular MCP location so in addition to 2 days for free, can get 50% off additional days. Presumably that will mean some MCP folks will consider skiing an extra day or two at least. Could make a difference for folks flying from the U.S.
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Lot more US accents around town last season than I’ve heard before, so it’s not a big leap to say more will consider it with this added incentive.
     
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    Hunter Part of the Furniture Endless Winter Ski Pass: Gold

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    It is much better these days.
    Still remains a quality place to ski
    If you are a serious skier it is on the must do list for sure
     
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    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Still a good mountain for sure, especially given it's size, runs available and facilities.
    But lot's of other cheaper, more authentic Japanese ski areas with far greater chance for fresh snow out there.
     
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    Hunter Part of the Furniture Endless Winter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Have you ever skied Whistler for instance ?
    It would be odd to ski the " authentic " smaller resorts in Canada and choose not experience such a place.......
     
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    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Depends what experience you're after.
     
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    Hunter Part of the Furniture Endless Winter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Great skiing...............dont we all ?
     
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  12. JA2340

    JA2340 Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think the point a bout "authentic" Japanese resorts is to do with the authenticity of the cultural experience, as opposed to the more westernised Niseko.
    Having been to Niseko a couple of times, I am now more interested in getting to the smaller and less westernised resorts where there's a genuine Japanese "feel" to the place. If I ever felt the need for a "Pie 'n' chips" meal, I can do that here, no need to wait until I get to Niseko!
     
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  13. JA2340

    JA2340 Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    The skiing, of course matters. But beyond that, there's the experience of another culture, the incredible food (for a start). I doubt that you'd see much difference between Whistler and a smaller place in Canadia, or any other place in North America, for that matter. (and yes, I have done a few runs in a few places in the Colorado area.)
     
  14. Froff Life

    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep exactly. I'm the same opinion as you in that I've skied Niseko before and had a good time, but now seek out ski resorts that have more of a 'Japanese' vibe. I'll be in Hokkaido for 3 weeks in Feb, might take my partner for a day trip to Niseko to show her the great terrain on offer but we wouldn't stay in Harifu.
     
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    Hunter Part of the Furniture Endless Winter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Agree with all of that, a mistake NOT to ski a place like Niseko or Whistler etc JUST because they are westernised, that is my point.
     
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    Born2ski Part of the Furniture

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    Which is why I generally prefer the smaller, less busy and cheaper resorts. It means I can ski more without spending time in lift lines, I can ski fresh lines all day, and I don't build up credit card debt after each trip which means I can afford a family ski holiday every year. :)
     
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    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    2 days at random resorts and 50% off tickets that have doubled in 5yrs ....

    Dunno about "value".
     
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    In my opinion there's a completely different feel to many North American ski hills. You mentioned Whistler which has a completely different feel to Alta, which has a completely different feel to Jackson, which has a completely different feel to Grand Targhee, which has a completely different feel to Aspen for example.
    All great skiing experiences with different vibes.
    I have limited experience with Vail resorts but I would agree they have a similar 'feel'.
     
  19. JA2340

    JA2340 Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    I mentioned Whistler because it was one mentioned in terms of "you'd not NOT ski Whistler just because you've been to other places in Canada." I agree! The culture of the places you mention are still North America, and while I intend getting to Canadia to ski one day, it is not a matter of pressing urgency, mainly because there are other places with different cultures to get to first.
     
  20. Mike Pow

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    This is a joke right?
     
  21. Mike Pow

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    Out of interest, which resorts are now on your radar please?
     
  22. JA2340

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    Not really ... the culture of the places are broadly the same. I'm not for an instant talking about the terrain or the apres but the culture to be experienced.
     
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    If by culture you mean they all speak the same language and look quite like one another, then yes.

    But the cultural vibe at places like Vail, Mad River Glen, and Kicking Horse to name but three are very, very different in my experience.
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Don't bring me into this regular debate. I'll just be labelled as the Honshu basher again.

    Said it before and I'll say it again. Niseko is popular. And rightly so. It provides a high level of international standard facilities to a huge demographic and does it well. This has positives and negatives, and whether you see it as a positive or a negative to you is individually based on what you are looking for in a ski destination.

    If you want untracked pow at lunchtime off the main lift, then Niseko is not for you.
    If you want to be speaking Japanese at every interaction and be "the only Gaij in the Village", then Niseko is not for you.

    For me, its "home". I catch up with mates, can get out of the hustle and bustle with a car, hit up quieter resorts from time to time, adventure into the backcountry, as well as enjoy the vast offerings in Hirafu and on the hill. But I have loved every resort I've visited in Japan - every single one. Including the 11 I experienced south of the wall. There is something for everyone in Japan, and sometimes that something is Niseko, and sometimes its not. And whatever way one chooses to go - thats ok.
     
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  26. Mike Pow

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    Can this be the go to answer for every subsequent thread please
     
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    LOLLOLLOL
    Gold!
     
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    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Will have 3 weeks with car, at this stage the rough plan is:

    Week 1: Sapporo city as a base, skiing Teine, Kokusai, Bankei & Moiwa

    Week 2: Otaru city as a base, skiing Kiroro, Tenguyama, Asarigawa Onsen and maybe Rusutsu

    Week 3: Either based in Asahikawa city or Furano, and ski Kamui, Pippu and Furano

    Any thoughts on the above would be greatly appreciated :)
     
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    Throw in Mashike possibly. Try and get to Sahoro too - its a fun resort if you like tree runs.
     
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    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Hadn't heard of Mashike!
     
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    Bankei and Sapporo Moiwayama are small, but mid-week with powder will be as good as anywhere.

    Rusutsu is a long stretch from Otaru.

    Sapporo Kokusai is easy from Otaru too.

    If the conditions are right I really rate Mt Racey.
     
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    MarzNC One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    The fine print on the MCP is very clear that it is non-refundable and non-transferable. Would you let a friend use your Big Sky season pass? The MCP is no different.
     
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    you probably need to bring it in person to exchange for the day ticket. so youd also have to give your season pass to your friend while they go away.
     
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    MarzNC One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    The way the MCP usually works is that you show the receipt (paper or on a smartphone) and proof of identity (driver's license or passport). Then you get a local card that is the equivalent of a season pass. Most, but not all, resorts allow connecting a credit card so that additional days are ski on and a charge is made automatically after the first lift ride. For locations using RFID, obviously must have a card. The first time I used the MCP at Jackson Hole it was annoying that I had to pay $5 for the RFID card. Alta and Snowbird provide a special MCP RFID card (with picture) for free that's only good for that season. Even for Taos, which doesn't have RFID or allow connecting a credit card (so far), you get a pass with your picture that's the "pass" for the entire season. For additional days, just pay 50% in advance the afternoon before or first thing in the morning.

    The MCP is much more like a season pass than a discount voucher. For locations with RFID, there is a lifty who can see the picture on someone's pass as they pass by, usually on a tablet.
     
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    Tonester Lift Line Nazi Ski Pass: Gold

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    Search for it here. A couple of us have reported on it.
    Caveat: it's a long was to go for a small hill
     
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    #supportyourlocalresort - misusing passes does not do that.
     
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    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes it completely frustrates me when people take advantage of the Japanese expectation of honesty. People doing the wrong thing does not help us get along with the locals.
     
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    Nor does it help us get new infrastructure due to reduced revenue streams. Ironic that sometimes its the same guys complaining about the age of the lifts etc that are doing it. We actively encourage the skijos to check tickets and confiscate those being misused. Would love to see more of this.