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Advice needed Niseko tips

Discussion in 'Japan' started by dmz, Aug 4, 2014.

  1. Donza

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    I can't remember any of them from 2006... must be new..
     
  2. sourmash

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    As per my note above, Zhangi, Konbu, Ukario, Namara, Dabesa, Jagaimo, Koguma, Misoshiru, Banzai, Koguma etc blah blah.

    Can ANYONE name the following anglo-ised runs/lifts with their original Nihon name?
    Superstition, Wonderland Chair, Country Road Chair, Cruiser, Don't Blink, Community Chair, Cruiser, Yard Sale, Unforgettable and Snorkel.

    Does it really matter? Unless you are an expert in time travel or have world conquering funds at your disposal to bring change, it is what it is...
     
  3. Donza

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    Nah it matters.. and its bs imo ..
    run names are sacred.. changing them to market a resort or ski hill is crap.... but that's me.
     
  4. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Agree...but it's not worth losing your sh1t over IMHO. ;)
    If we owned/sat on a management board...choices would be different.
    We don't. Such is life.
     
  5. Donza

    Donza Pool Room

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    Meh.

    I lose my shit over crappie coffee... run names ..like surf spots are sacred
     
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  6. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    You need a shoulder massage, some incense burning and to repeat ohm a few times young fella.
    You'll die of a perforated ulcer you let sh1t like that get to you ;)
     
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  7. Donza

    Donza Pool Room

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    I'm nigh forty
    Have a wife pushing some gall sludge. .. hear me
     
  8. Heinz

    Heinz Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    It is a bit like sporting grounds being named after the current sponsor. I'm not a fan of that, although I can understand they want to pay the bills, but it does get silly when they change every couple of years. I generally refer to the old names.

    As for Niseko it generally doesn't bother me that much, firstly because I don't go there anymore, secondly I never knew what the old names were even if they existed. Don't really recall the signage from the 90's, whether there was much at all or just a few in kanji which meant nothing. So when people refer to names now I have no idea what they are talking about.

    Though I still refer to the area of Higashiyama and agree with LM that 'Niseko village' is a deliberating misleading marketing term designed to catch many people out thinking that it is Hirafu.
     
  9. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    All the more reason! LOL
    [​IMG]
     
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    Vermillion Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Seriously man, I cant remember the last time I said let's go ski 'insert run name' anywhere, let alone in Japan. You just go ski, and go man that was awesome let's do that again, or let's go try this run out next. If you're losing your shit over run names then maybe the magic carpet is for you.
     
  11. blutek

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    Not much signage in english at at Kamui ski links:
    this one was the key to getting out of the back ski area in some nasty weather:
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  12. DPS Driver

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    I realise this is a bit late and I didn't catch up on all posts but if you're after a mixed Onsen in Niseko go to the Niseko Grand Hotel, drive past the Moiwa turn off and you'll find it about 700 mtrs from the turn off on your left.
    Red wine, go to either Max Valu or Co-op in Kutchan, there's plenty. It's easy to get back to Hirafu from Ahhupuri provided you haven't left it too late. You can traverse the whole way from the top of the double chair, skiers left of the top Gondola station. If you keep it high you can make it easily to the base of the Ace parrot chair or top of Hana 3.
    Big tip hire a car for your stay and it will open up soooo many more options, skiing, eating & shopping etc.
    Back to the Onsen's my pick in Hirafu is the Niseko Prince Hirafutei, Indoor, outdoor, hot, cold plus sauna and a view of the Ace family run. The Hanazono Hot Spring around at Niseko Weiss is good and never busy.
     
  13. dmz

    dmz More cheeeese Gromit Ski Pass: Gold

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    So what's the tip for those of us who don't think car hire is possible because driving on ice and snow without any experience is a recipe for disaster?
     
  14. blutek

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    Take the bus.
     
  15. DPS Driver

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    dmz, it's not an issue. All or most rentals in Hokkaido are AWD with the right tyres.

    My missus regularly drives the kids around town, to Kutchan or to Otaru or Sapporo for that matter, no worries. If she can do it anyone can. Just drive carefully and don't hit the brakes hard.
     
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  16. Donza

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    This.
    its simple .. just care is needed
     
  17. blutek

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    engine braking not foot braking (downhill).
     
  18. Donza

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    My mum could drive around Niseko in a awd n snowtyres
     
  19. StuckinQld

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    Sounds like I should go pick up my International drivers licence then and not just leave it to mpy husband. I plan to visit a few onsens and he's not such a fan of the Onsen.
     
  20. Donza

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    Just do It.

    adventure
     
  21. StuckinQld

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    Hehe, drivings not my thing. he loves driving and has heaps of on snow emergence. Im keen to explore this trip :)
     
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    You won't regret
     
  23. Mercyrx3

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    Seriously it is basically like driving wet roads with 4wd/snow tyre combo. the only time you need to be super careful is when the road ices over ( after sunny or +temp days and very cold night which is every night )
     
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    I'm doing this atm.
    I had my learning experience as to braking on the way from chitose.
    Broke into a downhill turn and got the car almost 90 degrees on the opposite side of the road, was very lucky the road was quiet.
    I not make same mistake twice.
     
  25. travelislife

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    Do it! Take it slow and you will have no problems at all. Always gentle on the brakes and allow plenty of stopping distance.
     
  26. GSea

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    Drifting's a breeze in Japan, though you only get powder puffs coming out the back, not smoke. ;)
     
  27. Toto Warmlet

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    I wouldn't dish GN.
    He's spent more time in Hirafu/Niseko than any of us I'd be pretty sure.

    No matter when we were first there.
    I've slid right through a stop sign on a Kutchan back road.
    Take care.
     
  28. Donza

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    Driving on snow. Do one thing..once steer... brake or accelerate. Never ever combine .
    don't carry speed into corners. Don't brake hard. Just flow.
     
  29. D64133

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    So that's it for my first ski overseas and I'm hooked. Is the quality of snow or the amount of terrain any better in Europe or North America? Probably not. Is it more expensive overall to ski in Europe or North America? probably yes. I'd like to get to Europe one day but I think Japan will be the first choice every time. You also get the luxury of a similar timezone. Might have to try some different resorts...but we'll definitely be back to Niseko.
    I hope you've enjoyed the tips...[/QUOTE]


    DMZ thanks for this thread, i am going to Niseko in 3 days, like you were I am a 'virgin' lots of stuff in here i found useful, hope you make it back soon.
     
  30. dmz

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    DMZ thanks for this thread, i am going to Niseko in 3 days, like you were I am a 'virgin' lots of stuff in here i found useful, hope you make it back soon.[/QUOTE]
    I'm going back to Niseko in Jan 2017 and then I'm planning to go every year after that!
     
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    Don't forget Boyoso every day for lunch!
     
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    The Den is a great place to eat https://thedenniseko.squarespace.com/, awesome Japanese hot pots, I recommend booking in advance for the good restaurants as they get booked out fast!
     
  34. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Agree.
    Jodie put the blog link in your sig, then just be a regular contributor to the forum. No need to constantly tell us to follow your blog.
     
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    thar start a thread , will be good way to gauge interest !
    Just ask @Astro66 how that goes ;)
     
  36. dmz

    dmz More cheeeese Gromit Ski Pass: Gold

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    After my first time in 2015, we are heading back in 2017!
    I know the drill now - lunch every day at Boyoso (ok maybe 308 every now and then).
    More dinners at Rin.
    Head into Kutchan more often than once.
    Try to nail the cutover to Annapuri - I know it starts with that one seater chairlift...
     
  37. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    @dmz its only tricky if the Ace 4 is closed or it's a total whiteout (fun fun!) - if it's open just stay high and head right until you hit the boundary rope :thumbs:
     
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    Just booked my first trip to Niseko for Jan 17 with my 16 year old done. Hopefully he appreciates it! Decided to go it alone rather than through agent to reduce costs. Flights and accommodation out of the way. Took a punt on a location close to Hirafu central. Just have transfers, lifts and ski hire. Does anyone have a tip on a preferred transfer group? Also need to advice on lift tickets. All mountain or not? I'm there for 8 days skiing. Pay per day or consecutive? Preferred ski rental shops that provide change over skis.
    Any tips would be great. Tx
     
  39. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    @Eros C
    Lift Passes:
    I addressed this in another thread - no time to look for it now, but briefly:
    *no need to buy in advance. But them when you get there. The queues shouldn't be insane. And there's no early purchase cost advantage.
    *allmountain or grand Hirafu depends on a lot of factors...
    Level of skiing ability - will you up and over, and be looking to hit the bowls outside of gates ASAP? Or doing lessons and cruising with your son inbounds?
    Snow and weather conditions. I recall a girls trip we bought all mountain tickets and didn't get over ONCE. Wind hold, poor visibility - there was great skiing on the lower lifts but it was a waste.

    Tip: if you're not sure you can buy grand Hirafu passes and an all mountain points pass that you wrap in alfoil or stick in an RFID defender sleeve. Pull it out to get access to lifts at Annapuri and Niseko Village (Higashiyama) if required.

    Consecutive will be cheaper if you stay in Hirafu - IF you've got good weather conditions and don't miss days. However if you want a day at Rusutsu another at Moiwa, another going snowshoeing or whatever, then daily might be better.
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Skis I'll leave to others as I'm a boarder - but I know Rhythm does premium ski hire with change overs as much as you like.

    There are a few bus transfer options. I most often use Whiteliner, or get a private transfer through Skybus, but that can get exxy.
     
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    Other option is the hours pass ? 60 hours or whatever, then sell it before you leave with whatever hours are left on it.
    always people buying them
     
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    Listen to Mamabear. I would pay per day every time for Niseko, paying in advance there is too much chance you will lose a day with foul weather, and then any discount you had by buying bulk days is out the window.
    Try and buy tickets from your accommodation the night before (maybe email your accom and ask if they do this), and buy them day to day, many places for accom will do discounted tickets. In Niseko there is bound to be at least one day where there are high winds and lifts are on hold. If you buy tickets day to day you can look at the weather and figure out whether you want local or all mountain accordingly after discussing with your crew.
    Not sure about the price of a discounted Hirafu/Hanazono ticket, but we stay at Annupuri and the price of a discounted Annupuri only ticket is about 3000 yen, which is half the price of an all mountain ticket.............
     
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    Also, with transfers from New Chitose to Niseko, Chuo bus is a lot cheaper than the other carriers (almost half the price), but has less times they go per day.................
     
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    Used the Resort Liner this year and was really easy/comfortable. Our flight was delayed but because they have buses leaving every hour or so from Sapporo they just put us on the next one.
     
  46. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'll check with my friend when we catch up weekend after next but she booked a bus last March, and was 'stranded' at the airport as it was closing. Lots of phone calls and asking airport staff and her ride was located in the other terminal (confusion and mistakes)... Late late late Christmas night, on her own.

    It worked out in the end, but wasn't great at the time. I was going in and out of HK at the time and couldn't help her at all!
     
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    Yeah we have always used whiteliner.

    Thinking of taking the train this time tho, is the train quicker or slower ?
    I assume chintose > sapporo > kutchan
     
  48. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah and thru Otaru
     
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    Is it quicker & cheaper to do the train ?
     
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    the train is about the same time and about the same cost but sometimes the timing is more or less convenient.
    many trips per day, and you dont need to book it for example.

    and yes an additional train change at otaru, but its quite trivial. you step off one platform and onto another, no stairs/etc.
    ive had the connection so short i didnt have time to buy a ticket, but it seemed fine to pay (cash) at the other end.

    train also stops in kutchan vs the welcome center (or other niseko areas). so it can be less convenient that way also.
    if its blizzarding the train can be hours late, but should still make it. rare, but sometimes the busses are canceled in such cases.
     
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