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No snow play this winter

Discussion in 'Thredbo' started by Sean Sunley, Mar 22, 2018.

  1. skifree

    skifree Old n' Crusty Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    We are addicted to our cars and very few of actually embrace bus culture unless there is absolutely no other choice. This is particularly prevalent among the post codes of those who ski. The result is the actual (as opposed to the imagined) demand is small and that makes it difficult the get an every 30 minute service viable.

    It might work if supported by external funding for say the first 2 years.
     
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  2. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    It’s unfathomable that they don’t exist.
     
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  3. skifree

    skifree Old n' Crusty Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    See post #51
     
  4. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    No reliable demand and extra cost.

    When the resorts are "full" on the weekends that a bus might offer some respite the "extra crowd" is mostly Epic pass holders looking for value and snow play groups of the same demographic. i.e. self sufficient value seekers. If parking at the resorts is overloaded then a bus is provided from overflow carpark to resort centre. i.e minimum cost maximum demand loading.

    That there is no free regular staff bus is shameful.
     
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  5. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    It would work if they banned cars from the park.
     
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  6. zac150

    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    How is Australia different from Canada? I agree we are a car culture but if done properly as an add on to say a weekend or multi day ticket there will be plenty that see the benefit (no risk with rbt). Pick up and drop off at pubs, Thredbo would cover the cost of the bus in beer sales alone.

    In Banff we watched people line up every morning in minus 30 to get the free bus to either sunshine or lake Louise.
     
  7. skifree

    skifree Old n' Crusty Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Dunno, but I am echoing the thoughts of Perisher PR folks from a couple of years ago having the same discussion with them. I think Canadians are better attuned to bus culture across a larger range of their population than we are here is Oz.

    edit, that's not to say we could not effect change with a bit of effort across all aspects of a ski hills activities such as marketing, timetabling and so on to encourage mass transport use. I think we could but all would have to be on-board.
     
  8. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    There is also an issue of conservatism. There has always been buses (guess) from Banff to Sunshine & LL, so people catch buses - it's how they do it.

    People drive cars from Jindabyne to Thredbo, Perisher and the Toob - it's how people do it so they will continue to do it.

    Changing habits is hard.
     
  9. zac150

    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I’m not sure it would be that hard to change culture, people jumped onto the ski tube pretty quickly, so why wouldn’t buses be easy. Start cheap get people to make it a thing then slowly increase costs.

    Don’t get me wrong I don’t think you will get families straight away, but target the young crowd first and it will slowly catch on. I’m pretty sure there is already a bus from one hotel in east Jindy that buses up to Thredbo.
     
  10. crackson

    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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  11. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think the attraction of the Toob was convenience and avoiding chains and the potential carnage of the road. I'm not sure that a bus would have the same sort of factors.
     
  12. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Staff buses would be a start.
     
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  13. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Absolutely.

    It’s unbelievable that resort staff are often hitching at the roundabout....

    There should be transport provided that works out way cheaper for them than driving to compensate for the inconvenience and encourage use.
     
  14. skifree

    skifree Old n' Crusty Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Buses to the toob would br good.

    But it’s currently cheaper to drive to P than to the toob then pay for the toob.
     
  15. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    But the tube as a season pass add on can be as low as $69
    How's that work with npws ?
     
  16. skifree

    skifree Old n' Crusty Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I reckoned about equal cost in dollars but add the additional time which i value and you are behind.

    Yes i have lived in Jindy and worked in Perisher for several seasons. So i am talking from empirical but real data. No I don’t have numbers.
     
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  17. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    No I meant how does npws arrive at a season pass figure for a person?
    Surely a bus could have a similar arrangement.
     
  18. skifree

    skifree Old n' Crusty Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    It does, I remember the details, refer NPWS website.
     
  19. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    You pay per passenger daily with a bus.
    Hence why there are virtually no private companies running buses up.
     
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  20. zac150

    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Is this for the school buses and Murray buses that run from Canberra? I was wondering this as well, how does the ski tube get away with it
     
  21. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yup... For commercial . Not sure re school bus.
    Base fee plus $11.55 (last time I checked) per pax.
     
  22. zac150

    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Given Thredbo / crackenback run a free shuttle in summer for bikers there would have to be an option in winter to waive that fee.
     
  23. zac150

    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Isn’t there already a bus? I’ve noticed lots of people parking at pender lea
     
  24. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    LCR isn’t free and they have to drop a manifest at the entry gate every trip.
     
  25. zac150

    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I thought the shuttle you were going to take was free,
     
  26. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thredbo don’t charge for their pickup one, LCR charge $10 pp and they get charged pp park entry fee.
     
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  27. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I wonder if Thredbo has to pay for its pickups. It could be argued that those people have already paid entry since they usually have started in Thredbo.
     
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  28. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Employees get NPWS Staff Passes.
     
  29. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I’m talking about the Thredbo shuttle bus that picks up mtbers after riding down the TVT to LCR.
     
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  30. kiter

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    That would never wash with npws and nsw govt . Those clowns can't see the forest for the trees . Surely with some lobbying of local snowy members and state members there's gotta be a new way of doing things that gos beyond the current money grab . Encouraging people to use busses rather than choking the park with cars is preferable surely
     
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  31. climberman

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    Do they pick up at Ngarigo or Diggings rather than LCR? And so not leave the Park?
     
  32. crackson

    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Staff get $20 passes for winter.

    That's why they should park at the tip.
     
  33. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    No. LCR I believe. I’m not saying Thredbo don’t get charged a pp park entry, but they don’t charge for their bus.
     
  34. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Perisher staff have to catch the tube in peak season. I thought Thredbo ran a staff bus?
     
  35. crackson

    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    No the troopy is hidden away for hotel staff. No other staff are ever told about it. Not a bus. It's a private service for one department.
     
  36. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    except snowplayers are existing paying customers - for the national park. there is no other charge to park at thredbo.

    i agree that it is an ssue if they are using resort slopes. but if they are paying to use the np then they are just as entitled to park at thredbo as at dhg. maybe thredbo need to think about premium car parking fees. problem wheni t's quiet and they have to pay to run buses from budget car parks

    vic have charges to enter resort, not np. same problem though because lift co do not run the resort. however, as i've said elsewhere, falls see this as an opportunity, not a weakness. they encourage snowplayers and xc and try to increase the exposure to lifted snowsports/higher spend visitation. there is definitely some success in this, just looking at changing demographics on skis/boards. with dedicated skiers/boarders spending a lot of their snow budget os it is essential to create new skiers/boarders

    that said, falls does have a parking problem on some weekends.
     
  37. crackson

    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    How much profit do npws and thredbo need to pocket before they build suitable infrastructure for peak periods?
     
  38. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Offering alternatives is cheaper than building stuff.

    I also think you should require a ON pass for ON parking.
     
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    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah I found it a bit weird that they are reporting it has just been announced. Poor journalism.
     
  41. zac150

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    I have a feeling it is Thredbo and Perisher media pushing the story into the paper, apart from dedicated snow goers who would have seen the old media release. Now everyone knows
     
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    parkmonkey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    With the dee's going so well i'm a little surprised you haven't been posting in the AFL thread
     
  43. Mr. Mook

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    Been watching the new basin video feed this weekend ( because its the only one where there is decent snow on the ground) and there has been quite a few people trekking across the snow from the walking track to the hill for some snowplay & tobogganing....
     
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    They clearly have a death wish.
     
  45. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    the Vic resorts have a legislated obligation to provide the opportunity of snow experiences to everyone.

    Buller lift co may be able to refuse access to their lease, but the resort must let people in
     
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    Poppies Hard Yards Ski Pass: Gold

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    Beaches have heavily subsidised regular public transportation. We at the snow don't get an appropriate share of our taxes spent on public facilities and services in alpine regions, but billions spent on couch potato sports.
     
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    Poppies Hard Yards Ski Pass: Gold

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    Abolishing overnight parking in ski resorts would collapse the high yield accommodation industry in the region, cause job and economic losses, how can there be a luxury experience if you have to share an old, crowded and smelly bus or train for your holidays?
     
  48. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    CP?

    doesn't seem to hurt them that you can't drive in
     
  49. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I tend to agree with Poppies. Australian's are addicted to their cars and being parked in very close proximity to front door.