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Discussion in 'Japan' started by 2ESki, Sep 16, 2018.

  1. 2ESki

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    After skiing next year am going back with non skiing son, 22, have week and 1/2 in Tokyo in April and doing robot cafe, mario kart, temples, shrines etc, thinking if we have time might do MtTako as a day trip, and if time Hachioji castle ruins. Wondering if worthwhile doing one, both or none? Son into history and also doing the castle at Odawara , [ ticks of castle and shink in same daytrip ] Any other suggestions greatly appreciated :thumbs: and no were just staying to theTokyo area. :cool:
     
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    Nikko (a sort of mini Kyoto) and/or Kamakura for day trips. Fish market (although at new location). If your timing is good the Ueno Park or Imperial Gardens for the cherry blossoms.
     
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    How far from Tokyo would you go?

    Mt Takao is a nice climb on a sunny day, and April will be cool enough not to get too hot.

    If your son likes history, castles are a good thing to see.
    http://jcastle.info/view/Home
    Hideyoshi seiged both Odawara & Hachioji Castles in 1590. Odawara castle was surrounded but eventually fell without much fighting. Part of the moat is still there and there are quite a walls and a few reconstructed gates and the Keep is reconstructed in concrete, with a museum inside. The reconstruction is only ok. Hachioji Castle ruins has very few remains, apart from some walls, so it's a bit disappointing. If you want to see a really good reconstruction, go to Kakegawa Castle, which is about twice as far as Odawara, from Tokyo. There is still the original palace, and the Keep is reconstructed in timber using traditional methods.
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/K...75a8aa48d8623b!8m2!3d34.7752332!4d138.0138937

    Also if you do a big loop out of Tokyo over a couple of days, you could visit 4 of the 12 original castles (Matsumoto, Maruoka, Hikone & Inuyama). I've seen 6 originals, and about 12-15 reconstructions.

    Also visit the the northern part of the Imperial Palace in Tokyo, where the base of Edo Castle sits. It was the only 6 floor castle in Japan, and the stone block are huge. (closest to Takebashi subway station)
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/F...xc4a3cc8d15146e69!8m2!3d35.687747!4d139.75469


    On the far northern part of the Imperial Palace grounds is where the highest moat walls are, just near Kudanshita JR Station. The gate there is quite impressive, and it's a good spot for cherry blossoms.
    Just nearby is the Yasakuni Shrine where war dead are enshrined.... it's often the meeting place for right wing nutters, which is always interesting, and right next to the Shrine is the Museum for the "Great East Asia War", which is a real eye opener! There's also a reasonable antique market there on some Sundays.... and these are often REAL Japanese antiques.

    I'd do Kamakura & Enoshima.
    https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3174571,139.5159698,5894m/data=!3m1!1e3

    That'll do just for now...... ;)
     
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  4. 2ESki

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    Yep were staying in Asakusa, so heres hoping :thumbs:
     
  5. Sandy

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    There's cherry blossoms around Asakusa.
    The problem with the popular areas for cherry blossoms, is that there are too many people there....
     
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  6. 2ESki

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    Not enough time, maybe next time,
    Yep it's on the list as well as the museum :thumbs:
    Sounds good, from morning or just arvo's ?
    Is the whole place worth seeing or only the Northern part ?
     
  7. 2ESki

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    Read somewhere there's a cemetery just north of Ueno with heaps of cherry trees but not many people, so we'll check it out if their on the "bloom"
     
  8. Sandy

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    Yes, that's Yanaka, which is NW of the cemetery.... was one of the only places not bombed and burned in WW2. There's about a dozen temples around that area. Generally, if you can't go to Kyoto, go to Kamakura, and if you can't go to Kamakura, I suggest going to Yanaka. Accesses via JR Nippori Station, or in the back way via Sendagi Subway Station.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/S...caabb826d59f01bd!8m2!3d35.725762!4d139.763348
     
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    They start from early morning and often pack up about 1pm.
    There are more than just at Yasakuni:
    http://yumemakura.travel.coocan.jp/Antique.html
    The best ones are:
    *Antique Fair at Tomioka Hachiman Shrine in Fukagawa
    *Yamato Antique Fair


    The rest is good, but large and takes a while.
     
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    Looks like my annual trip to Japan could be delayed to April next year...

    Out of interest, has anyone down the Tateyama-Kurobe alpine route?
    It is easyish is it to get to from Osaka?
    I am guessing I would need to travel to Matsumoto and take the Oito line to Omachi..

    I know, mid April is usually the time they are able to dig out the road at Murode where the snow walls are.
    With us unable to head to Japan mid winter next year and the wifey wanting to head in April... I told her that I would love to head up to the roof of Japan to experience the massive snow walls at that time.
     
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    Rather than start a new thread, I thought I'd put this in here.

    The family is headed over to Tokyo for some of the Rugby World Cup next year. All except my father have been to Japan before, either in winter or spring. RWC is end Sept/Oct.

    The matches require us to be in Tokyo for the weekends, but I'm trying to think of something to do for the 5-6 days in between.

    Wanting to avoid cities, would like some mountains and autumn colours.

    I thought Tochigi and/or Gunma loop might be a good option - Nikko, Lake Chuzenji, Mt Tanigawa.

    Anyone have any suggestions or recommendations? All gratefully welcomed, hi @Sandy & ors.

    Day trips from Tokyo likely to include Kanazawa &/or Kamakura.
     
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  12. Sandy

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    I haven't been, but TJ has. Here's soem info:
    https://www.japan-guide.com/e/e7550.html
     
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    Check out the cars at megaweb.
    Unfortunately to drive you need international license and foreigners only on weekends when it is busier.

    I liked the historic car section, got to see a haco suka in person.

    http://www.megaweb.gr.jp/about/english.html

    Studio Ghibli is also worth a visit. You can book tickets from JTB in Aus 2 months in advance. You cannot get them at the door. Even locals have difficulty and have to book 1 month in advance.

    http://www.ghibli-museum.jp/en/ticket-information/
     
  14. Sandy

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    Late Sep and October are a bit early for autumn colours. Your best options, from earliest would be:
    - Oze National Park, from late Sep.
    - Lake Chuzenji and above (as you mentioned) but Nikko itself is too low for colours, until mid November.
    - Tanigawadake. Mid/late October.

    Early in the piece(late Sep), I'd suggest Kamikochi (West of Matsumoto) for the hiking, views and Azusa river.
    You could then do a loop heading to Takayama (other side of the mountains), then south towards Nagoya, but turning east to Kiso Valley, and stay in the old post towns of Tsumago, and hike the old "road" to Magome. Then back up the Kiso Valley to Matsumoto and see the castle.

    I'd also say that it's worthwhile to go to Happo and do the hike up to the pond at around 2060m.

    Where else have you been near Tokyo?
     
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    Thanks Sandy. Really appreciate your input.

    Happo is a good option and know the area well.

    I've been to Mt Takao and spent plenty of time in Tama.
     
  16. PMG

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    I second the Takayama loop Sandy mentioned. The only proviso imo would be is that Takayama is really now on the Asian tourist radar and could be extremely busy that time of year if last winter was anything to go by. Tsumago and Magome were really quiet in comparison.
    IMAG1277.jpg
     
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    I would either to the Takayama or the Nikko/Chuzenji route. I've never been across from Nikkoyumoto to Gunma because it's always a closed road in winter, but it sounds like it's a cool little trip. On the other hand Takayama area has heaps to do aswell.
     
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    Not sure Murodo will be dug up by then. I been there few times, climbed Tate, Tsurugi etc. but later in the season.

    Place is spectacular, it is very popular with BC guys. Huge amount of stuff to ski. You can hike Tate, but probably need crampons that early in the season.

    Maybe find a guide to go with? I know some guys who work in Hakuba guide there as well.

    There is a another spot that mind blowing. Kiso Koma. There is a ropeway that goes up from Komagane, leads up to over 2000m, open all around the year. From there people climb stuff around, also very popular with japanese BC skiers. https://www.chuo-alps.com/lang/en/ Very easy to access, bus right from train or bus station at Komagane. Suggest staying at Onsen at the base then catching first cabin up, there is a 10% discount if you bring your foreigner passport.

    One more. Shin Hotaka ropeway. No skiing there(skis not allowed on ropeway) but gorgeous place. You can also visit Kamikochi which is very close
     
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    We drove up to the Shin Hotaka Ropeway in February. When we found out that one trip was the equivalent of what we had been paying for a day ticket at the local ski hills we gave it a miss. Weather wasn't conducive either.

    Love this webcam. The building on the right usually almost disappears from view by mid winter.
    https://www.alpen-route.com/en/live_camera/murodo.html
     
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    Yes if weather is bad then it is not worth it, but if it good it is awesome. If you bring winter gear you can also hike to the hut on the Hotaka ridge or climb Doppyo.
     
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    Can you recall the name of the onsen at the base?
     
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    I been there coupe times but drove there so i did not stay overnight, I saw a few hotels right across from where bus picks people up to go up to the ropeway.

    Around the area this place is

    http://www.booking.com/Share-3qDEDs

    There is hotel at the top where ropeway takes you as well but I am not sure it is open then.
     
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    He's not much into cars, me on the other hand :) I'll show him the Ghibli website and see if he's interested :thumbs:
     
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    Was going to come out at the Tokyo main station, you recommend to start at the northern end and make our way down ?
     
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    Non skiing son could try snowboarding, look how much fun it is!
     

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    Another suggestion for activities (and forgive my rusty memory).

    In Akihabara there is a place with a massive scalextrix type setup with 8 lanes
     
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    Yeah nup, tried but no interest, and certainly not snowboarding :whistle:
     
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    Just looked it up, in big toy store in Ginza, if time will drop in, Akihabara on list at night time, old man might see if he can find a " space invaders ' machine for old times sake :D
     
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    Yep.
     
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    I used to play a bit of space invaders when it was contemporary. However, what I enjoyed even more was Space Invaders 3D pinball
     
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    OOOOh I'll have to look that one up :cool:
     
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    Speaking of space invaders, space invader festival named "Invader House 2018" was held in Akihabara last month:p
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    I made my first fortune on Space Invaders pinball.

    I’d get to uni early, borrow 20 cents from a friend for my first game.

    When it was time for my first lecture, I’d racked up enough credits I’d sell them for $2, payback my debt and have some cash towards a snack or a beer after lectures
     
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    Check out Super Potato in Akihabara, the top floor has a bunch of vintage video games to play.
     
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    Cheers, there's so many stores it's hard to know which one to go into.
     
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    Any other suggestions of things to see or do for an old fart :D and a 22 yo, odd strange or interesting will be considered :thumbs: BTW were also wanting to do the Sumo stables, have heard you can do tours? any tips or hints will be appreciated ;)
     
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    Following for responses to @smackies query as we will be doing similar.
    Good suggestions @Sandy.

    We will be part of a group that will include Japan first timers during finals, so I’m sure there will be the usual Tokyo highlights.

    I’d like to do something new though, see a different area of Japan.
     
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    What about the Izu Peninsula? Hit up the Japanese surf culture. Genuine white sandy beaches although they apparently imported sand from Western Australia for its most famous beach Shirahama.
     
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    How far do you want to travel?
     
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    I'm pretty sure that's Shirahama Beach in Wakayama Prefecture.
     
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    Correct indeed. WA sand to the Shirahama Beach in Wakayama not the Shirahama Beach on the Izu Peninsula.
     
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    There are going to be a series of events in Hakuba over the RWC time including games etc. These are timed for between RWC games so people can travel up or even base themselves here for part or all of it and travel by shink from Nagano or buses to games on Honshu. Will fill in some more info as it becomes available.
     
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    Was thinking of doing the shink and Odawara castle on a Sunday, will we be better of doing that trip on a weekday, or will it not to be busy ?
    Oh and while I'm on it has anyone gone to the Sumo stables? have read somewhere some of them do free tours to explain what's happening, trouble is I can't find it now .
     
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    Odawara Castle is a concrete reconstruction. As far as I can recall, it's not especially busy, but will be quieter on a weekday.

    Where abouts will you be sking/boarding? Far better to go to a real, original castle like Matsumoto Castle. Do you have a JR Pass? If so, better to go to another original and a reconstruction.
     
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    Skiing late Jan with daughter 16 at Myoko Kogan with 2 nights in Matsumoto on the way there, this is with son 22 in April, i know you suggested the castle in Kakegawa but it's just a bit far for the time we have :(
     
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    Update.

    Have filled in the week (which turned out to be only 5 days) between matches.

    2 nights in Kurohime staying at a lodge run by friends of friends.

    2 nights in Kiso valley. Thanks for the idea @Sandy.

    Seeing we have a baby in tow, trying to keep the travel to a minimum. God help me on the flight over though...
     
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    when I head over, my son will be 1... we are are going to fly ANA because they are night both ways & flying at night will limit hopefully limit any agitation
     
  48. Sandy

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    Where are you staying in the Kiso Valley?
     
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    A ryokan in Kiso Fukashima.
     
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    Squiddo will be 21 months. I fear much agitation.

    QF over is during the day, overnight on the way back.