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NSW National parks- increased access to hunters and horseriders

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by seak, May 30, 2012.

  1. Ulmerhutte

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    Re: hunting to be expanded in NSW NPs

    From what I know of genuine hunters, rather than rednecks with guns (to coin a phrase), they move through the bush silently and do not leave rubbish behind. They take a lot of care to make sure the shot is clear and safe. They eat what they kill.

    How do I know this? I know quite a few of the local hunters in St Anton. They care for their environment as much as, and probably more, any of us who profess to love the mountains.

    Yes, there are no doubt ratbags with guns, but there are also ratbags without guns.
     
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    This isnt the issue for me at all. I know heaps of hunters and the ones I know are top poeple and very safety minded. But even they admit that there are a lot of idiots out there. My issue is that some poor bugger WILL get shot eventually at that will be sad.
     
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    Re: hunting to be expanded in NSW NPs

    The thing is, because they're going to have to hike in there, you're not likely to get the idiots. It's likely that only the more responsible ones will go more than a couple of hundred metres from their cars. It's very very rare that people get shot accidentally by hunters outside of national parks. Inside national parks it's likely to be even more rare, if at all.
     
  4. telenomore

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    Sorry to burst your bubble T but I have seen plenty of hunting camps in both state parks and illegal ones in national parks. Plenty of mess I assure you. Your idealised version may be right for the small minority but it is the exception. You need to look further than your own stock list to get a full picture of what is happening in the real world of rec hunting in Oz. Although maybe that is the point of your enthusiasm, your stock list.
     
  5. teckel

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    Re: hunting to be expanded in NSW NPs

    I used to feel the same about hunters as others on here, until I opened my shop and had hunter customers. Talking to them, observing them etc has been a huge eye opener. There are the good responsible hunters, and there are the idiots and variations in between. Just as there are with skiers. It doesn't mean that I could hunt - hell, I can't even kill a mouse (see Mouse thead in convo). One of my suppliers is a hunter and there is no way anyone could call him a bogan - he's an articulate man with a gentle manner. He goes out about every second weekend, but only takes 2 or 3 deer a year, for consumption by family and friends.
     
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    You wouldn't know the camps of many of the hunters. Clean and tidy and blending in. There may be a flat rock which they use as a butcher's slab.Otherwise you may not even notice. Of course the idiot's camps stand out - and that's clearly what you've seen, because they stand out. Nothing to do with my stock list - purely about meeting and talking with hunters.
     
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    Re: hunting to be expanded in NSW NPs

    With all due respect teckel people like the gentleman you mention are not the ones we are concerned with.
     
  8. teckel

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    Re: hunting to be expanded in NSW NPs

    but they are the ones most likely to go deep into National Parks.
     
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    I dont understand what going deep into a national park has got to do with it. Bad stuff is just as likely to happen in the shallow end.
     
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    Ummm...has anybody else noticed how many suburban street shootings there have been in 2012 alone. Don't come to Sydney, go to a National Park instead.
     
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    Re: hunting to be expanded in NSW NPs

    To me this debate is not about which group of park users has more or less environmental impact, this debate should be about safety of park users. If hunting is allowed in National Parks history shows that it will only be a matter of time before another park user is shot and/or killed. While most hunters are very safety conscious there is always a few that are not and if hunting is allowed in the NP’s I walk in, I fear for my safety.

    I am not against feral animal control, I have seen the damage that feral animals have done in NP’s. I would like to see feral animals wiped out.

    The main push behind the hunters to be allowed in NP’s is that it will reduce feral animal numbers. In the last few days I have tried to find some evidence that recreational hunting reduces feral animal numbers, the research on recreational hunting and feral animal numbers shows at best hunting has minimal impact on feral animal numbers and in the few cases that it did the feral animal numbers bounced back very quickly and in some cases make the feral animal problem worse.

    The hunting lobby claims that recreational hunting reduces feral animal numbers but they also claim that recreational hunting of native ducks has no impact on numbers, something not quite right here, apparently native duck numbers are in decline.

    A recent research project on impact of recreational hunting in South Australia counted the number of feral animals killed in a nature park by 65 recreational hunters over four days, then in the same park, a professional shooter in a helicopter killed four times the animals in four hours.

    With the recent Victorian bounty scheme on foxes, it is estimated that there was only a 4% reduction in fox numbers, the fox numbers are expected to recover very quickly.

    Some populations of pigs and deer have mixed DNA from populations too far away for the animal to migrate?

    Apparently the best 5% of hunters kill many more feral animals than the other 95% combined.

    Recreational hunting in NP’s does not save money for governments and NP’s as the administration cost for such schemes out weigh any savings on the feral animal control side.

    Tony
     
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    It looks like the feds cant stop it. Link here.
    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/conser...0602-1zohd.html

    Here is the text:
    THE federal Environment Minister, Tony Burke, has condemned the O'Farrell government's decision to allow recreational shooting in NSW national parks, but says he is unable to stop it.

    Mr Burke revealed that he sought legal advice following Wednesday's announcement.

    ''On preliminary advice, it's unlikely that my federal powers will end up being made available on this particular decision,'' he said.


    Earlier this year, Mr Burke rejected a Victorian government proposal to allow cattle grazing in the Alpine National Park, arguing that it was in breach of the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act.

    The NSW government's proposal - part of a deal with the Shooters and Fishers Party to ensure passage of its electricity privatisation bill - will allow shooting of feral animals in ''a limited number of areas under strict conditions'' but not near metropolitan areas or wilderness or world heritage areas.

    However, Mr Burke expressed concern that native animals and people would be at risk.

    ''I worry deeply about how long it will be before we see threats to native species and to people in our national parks,'' he said. ''The whole experience of a national park, where families go for their picnics and you have the wonderful sense of relaxing with nature, isn't quite the same if you have gunfire going off in the background.

    ''It's not quite the same if you go on a bushwalk to hear the sounds of wildlife, you don't quite expect to hear .32s going off in the background.''

    He said feral animal control should be left to eradication experts.

    ''The O'Farrell government is taking feral animal control away from the professionals,'' he said.

    ''If you take it away from professionals, there is an advantage to government in that they don't have to pay for it any more.

    ''But there is a risk to the environment, there is a risk to people and a fundamental change to the enjoyment of national parks.''

    The head of Greenpeace Australia's Pacific program, Ben Pearson, decried the decision as ''absurd''.

    ''A national park is for walking, camping and exercising,'' he said. ''It's not a shooting range.''

    The Premier, Barry O'Farrell, declined to comment on Mr Burke's concerns about the move.



    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/conser...l#ixzz1wfxq3eps
     
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    Re: hunting to be expanded in NSW NPs

    And at a guess, most park recreationalists, especially families, will only venture into the shallow end, which is where you would expect to find the less thoughtful hunters. A bad mix, closets to the car parks.
     
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    Can I take a gun to Island Bend and shoot it there when I camp for a week or two?
     
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    HI Damian,

    There have been surveys on where hunters hunt and most hunters do not travel far from roads and trails.

    Tony
     
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    Unfortunate and believable.

    If I were a hunter for my table - which I would love to be - and wanted 4 deer a year it stands to very good practical reason that I would try to take those deer as close to the car as I could. Deer are not that scared of humans and when I grew up in Tasmania, they were an easy kill. Same goes for the deer I saw standing on my car in the RNP south of Sydney.
     
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    Re: Onya Barry

    Yep - bright orange camo - Fastman has a stack plus regular camo for non-deer trips...

    All carefully controlled to limit scent too(eg. own wardrobe)

    Tecks is right - the better hunters will watch the deer for weeks... they know which one they want and what their habits are...
     
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    My emotionally charged 2CW, NPs don't have and never will have the resources to manage it.
    Bozo's just scored himself a huge redneck vote.
    There goes the small, quiet but effective programs to reintroduce dingos to their native habitats to help eradicate ferals. Try teaching a hunter not to shoot a dingo after nearly 2 centuries trying to wipe them out.
    I don't trust anyone who likes to kill for sport or makes a living out of killing. It's just wrong
     
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    That's scare tactics based on nothing.
    Hunters are hunting for food - just following the tradition that allowed humans to survive and flourish - the old hunter/gatherer traditions. Most hunters take and eat what they kill.
    So you don't trust anyone who owns or works in an abbatoir? You don't trust government contractors who cull pests? They make a living from killing.
     
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    Was this a shot at hongonmainia? i thought he started a cool trend.
     
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    I had naively hoped that we'd evolved beyond hunter - gathering subsistence society in Australia.
    I hunt safely at food shops with my plastic fantastic, where produce is sourced from specialised, regulated producers and sold in hygienic conditions---crazy stuff.
    I believe one of the justifications for whale hunting is that it is a tradition amongst certain peoples
     
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    Except that there's a innate instinct still remnant in some people.
    A deer running around the bush is pretty hygienic actually. And killed and butchered by the person who's going to share it with his family, is probably a lot more hygienic than what may or may not go on in abatoirs away from the public gaze.
    (Whale hunting tradition amongst the Japanese is an invention. For the Icelandic, it's more real)
     
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    I do not see the difference. The animal still dies. I feel there is a certain cowardice to refusing to hunt because you do not like the bloody side of it yet being happy to buy meat wrapped in plastic at a supermarket.
    Not hunting because you cannot be bothered and the shops are just so much more convenient is ok. But you use the shops to isolate yourself from the process, you are lying to yourself. The honest ones are those that become vegetarians because they cannot bear to think of the animals being killed.
     
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    I'd rather hunt for my meat as I like the outdoors, I like terrain and strategy and most of all because I love independence from industry and suburban facilities. I like to be in control of keeping myself alive. I do not like being utterly dependent on a supermarket. It is the essence of living to me.

    But I wouldn't want to hunt in an area where I knew families had chosen to visit specifically knowing it was a natural area for recreation.
     
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    Fair enough.
    My wife and son are both vegetarians because of the animal death aspect of the meat industry.
    I however, being a vet, kill animals almost every day, both pets and live stock.
    I also have experience in abattoirs
    In my youth I hunted rabbits and slaughtered and butchered sheep to eat (its messy, time consuming and if you have any empathy to the animal, then also v sad) Stunning prior to slaughter, is about as humane as it can get, unless it is a clean head or heart shot.
    I like meat, know the industry and prefer my meat killed thus.
    Anyway, back to the thread topic, I believe feral animals need to be controlled via a well funded professional culling program.
     
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    oh yes, I think leaving feral control to the random efforts of hunters highlights irresponsibility in the NPWS. If they were doing their job the issue would not have arisen.
     
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    Doing there job is a matter of resourcing. Also many reserves have come across from the control of other agencies in recent times. Effective control and or eradication methods is species specific. Aerial culling of horses in Guy Fawkes was very successful but where did that get the NPWS - labour intensive piecemeal trapping. Is there aerial culling of wild camels in central Australia, is there an outcry, camels are cute.

    Maybe there could be a hunting season.

    I get the impression that NPWS staff are not happy with the recent events. Is that an offer of redundancies going around again.
     
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    Maybe if they got one line budgets they'd be able to prioritise it. But they don't, so they can't.
     
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    Hi Shrek,

    Maybe you should do some reading here " Eradication of Australia's vertebrate pests: a feasibility study" by MARY BOMFORD and PETER O'BRIEN would be a good start.

    Tony
     
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    tony I was talking about NPWS keeping feral populations to low levels by lethal means. not the total eradication of feral pests from the country. That would require total coöperation between the federal and all state governments. 10 years ago I was involved in one of those for over 2 years so i am very aware of what it entails.
     
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    I've got a few things to catch up with..
    firstly I've changed the subject again to reflect the topic/s.
    secondly allthough all the heat is on the hunting, the horseriding has gone unnoticed, I think this is a problem.

    both have the potential to compromise conservation values, both impact on some declared wilderness and World heritage areas...
    the hunting threat is all conjecture, what may happen.
    the horseriding isn't conjecture, the increased access proposed will compromise values... and consequently may give the Feds some room to move under UNESCO stewardship or biodiversity.
     
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    i was not aware that horse riding was in the package.
     
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    Re: hunting to be expanded in NSW NPs

    I don't think we are disagreeing here... NPWS can't aerial cull they must consult and formulate "horse managment plans". I know it was politics, i'm just pointing out it has no basis in reality. NPWS in itself ain't gunshy, they are actively working with indigineous folk in co-managmenent arrangements with vertebrate pest management on the list, I don't see this arrangment being athreat to that.

    All in all my general belief is if there is a job to be done, pay someone to do it properly. There is a world of difference from a proffessional marksman and a recreational hunter. I really wonder what the appeal will be (beyond deer).
     
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    re;NSW National parks- increased access to hunters and horseriders

    NPWS have got plenty of plans and sfa resources and skilled labour to carry them out.
     
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    damn horses. next thing you know people will be bringing their cats on the basis that it is not fair to exclude them when all the other pets are having a look.
     
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    in the bushwalking forum a good point was raised. this deal was done to secure the selling off of the power generation. the arguments put forward for the selling was the biggest load of rubbish ever. I see only a loose loose situation.
     
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    A lot of people are wondering how "conservation hunting" in National Parks will operate. I think we can fairly assume it will be the same as currently happens with hunting in NSW State Forests and The Game Council will run it. They issue hunting licences to those who over 12 years old and pay to do a course. You can then book a forest to hunt in. How many hunters allowed at the same time in any one forest varies depending on the forest.

    But what of the other public using the forest? - bushwalkers, picnickers, bike riders, photographers, bird watchers, skiers! etc etc. The only information they get is the fact that the reserve is "declared" for hunting. They supposedly will be aware of this, either by researching it themselves, or by reading signage placed at popular entry points to the forest. There is never any notification to users that hunting is happening at the time of their visit or in the part of the forest they may use. If you choose not to be at risk then don't enter a "declared forest" at any time.

    Forests NSW carried out a risk assessment in 2009 on the risk to their forest workers and other forest users to hunting and identified the main hazard as "a breakdown of separation of hunting activities and forest workers or other users". Although they rated these risks as low, the top three were -being struck by a projectile, a hunter being injured by Forest NSW activities and injury through contact with a hunting dog. There were 17 recommendations to reduce the hazard risk - don't know how many have been implemented.

    One wonders how liable NPWS may be to a user being exposed to identified hazards, particularly with a park like Kosi where you pay an entry fee.
     
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    I ponder that the whole Shooters and Fishers party is just a front for the NRA. I don't like the idea of encouraging people to buy guns.
     
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    list of parks (from the wildwalks site):

    List of parks where hunting will be allowed:
    Abercrombie River National Park
    Turon National Park
    Coolah Tops National Park
    Warrumbungle National Park
    Goulburn River National Park
    New England Tablelands
    Bald Rock National Park
    Nowendoc National Park
    Basket Swamp National Park
    Piliga East National Park
    Boonoo National Park
    Piliga West National Park
    Gibraltar Range National Park
    Oxley Wild Rivers National Park
    South Coast and Highlands
    Benambra National Park
    Tallaganda National Park
    Brindabella National Park
    Woomargama National Park
    Kosciuszko National Park
    Morton National Park
    Wadbilliga National Park
    South East Forests National Park
    Goonoo National Park
    Paroo-Darling National Park
    Gundabooka National Park
    Yanga National Park
    Mallee Cliffs National Park
    Murray Valley National Park
    Northern Rivers
    Yabbra National Park
    Nightcap National Park
    Richmond Range National Park
    Dorrigo National Park
    Watagans National Park
    Myall Lakes National Park
    Barrington Tops National Park
    Macquarie Marshes Nature Reserve
    Pilliga Nature Reserve
    Gibraltar Nature Reserve
    Big Bush Nature Reserve
    Lake Urana Nature Reserve
    Boginderra Hills Nature Reserve
    Langtree Nature Reserve
    Buddigower Nature Reserve
    Ledknapper Nature Reserve
    Cocopara Nature Reserve
    Loughnan Nature Reserve
    Coolbadggie Nature Reserve
    Narrandera Nature Reserve
    Goonawarra Nature Reserve
    Nearie Lake Nature Reserve
    Gubbata Nature Reserve
    Nocoleche Nature Reserve
    Ingalba Nature Reserve
    Nombinnie Nature Reserve
    Jerilderie Nature Reserve
    Piliga Nature Reserve
    Kajuligah Nature Reserve
    Pucawan Nature Reserve
    Kemendok Nature Reserve
    Pulletop Nature Reserve
    Round Hill Nature Reserve
    Quanda Nature Reserve
    Tarawi Nature Reserve
    Yanga Nature Reserve
    The Charcoal Tank Nature Reserve
    Yathong Nature Reserve
    Mullion Range State Conservation Area
    Mount Canobolas State Conservation Area
    Barrington Tops State Conservation Area
    Butterleaf State Conservation Area
    Torrington State Conservation Area
    Cataract State Conservation Area
    Watsons Creek State Conservation Area
    Mount Hyland State Conservation Area
    Werrikimbe State Conservation Area
    Goonoon State Conservation Area
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    Re: Onya Barry

    All a bit stinky. BOF is as much a fool as any of them. Why can't this porblem be managed without it being the subject of 'deals'? Bloody hell....do we have to put up with this rubbish. And selling the electrical generators so they can use the money to extend the light rail in Sydney. Why should these public assets be sold for the benefit of a few residents? All BS if you ask me. How anyone could conscienciously support people like this is well beyond me.
     
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    Re: Onya Barry

    I see from that list that they did include Barrington Tops NP, despite claiming that they wouldn't include World Heritage listed parks. I wonder if they will add the Blue Mountains later on.
     
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    A very nice summary of the issues from CrankyBugger on the bushwalkers forum.

    You put that list of parks and reserves with the horsie list and you get a very clear picture of where current conservation priorities lie.
     
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    Guns in Kosciuszko National Park in winter. Australia to be a new force in Biathlon?
     
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    Whiteman A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well, we are already right up there with gold medal prospects in the new Olympic sport of 'drive by shooting'.

    Our team from Western Sydney may be disadvantaged however by the recent wet weather, which has prevented practise because the windows have to stay up!
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    So if horses are feral animals will the hunters be cleaning up the horses there for the riding? Or are there good feral and bad feral?

    What happens with horse riding hunters?

    Actually I am reminding I met a bloke who rode into the backside of Mt Howitt each Winter on his horse to a "secret" hunter hut located thereabouts.
     
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    Shrek Old n' Crusty

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    wikipedia has a bit to say about horse meat.
     
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    Majikthise Sage Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    wrong thread shrek [​IMG]
     
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    Re: hunting to be expanded in NSW NPs

    I think we are in agreement on the principal but maybe not the facts. I believe that professional shooting (not amateurs, which is being proposed now) has a place as part of a multi faceted feral control program. In point of fact the Guy Faukes cull was very successful but but but... NPWS was charged with animal cruelty by the RSPCA over that incident. Most charges were dismissed but they were found guilty of one charge. Two weeks after the cull, the RSPCA had to put down a horse that had been shot during the cull and that was the basis of the court action and subsequent proving of one charge. Herein lies the problem. I think (happy to be corrected) that close to 600 horses were shot and killed during that cull but the press acted on that one (and possibly three other incidents) and it became both a national and international issue. The "Silver Brumby" factor came into play. How dare you shoot horses etc, despite the fact that other methods of removal proved cruel to the animals, this was the only point played out in the press.

    In that cull they used special guns and ammo that are designed to facilitate a quick bleed out of the shot animal. This rec hunting masquerading as feral animal control wont see shooters with such equipment. As you say, they will most likely be only looking for deer, and possibly pigs (mmm bacon). They will leave alone the animals such as horses that are doing real damage in KNP. All of which takes me back to my original point, there will be shot animals that wont die quickly and the press will get hold of it and maybe perversely, through the suffering of animals, it will help mount pressure against this backroom boys bargain. In fact, anyone at the coal face of this issue might get some leverage by bringing up the point about whether this new regime will target feral horses. Are big Bazza and Robin Parker going to sanction the shooting of "The Silver Brumby" by amateur shooters? This wont solve the issue of feral horses of course but may dim their ardour for this new policy of shooting in national parks.
     
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