NW wind for ski beginners

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  1. Mils

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    So heading up Wed-Friday this week and it looks like the conditions are not going to be very fun with a lot of NW wind, I am thinking I will need to be on the leeward side of the mountain so like Smiggins, as my partner is just starting out on the snow and I am just switching to skis from years of boarding.

    So other than Smigs what options will be viable? Pretty valley I guess.. much else for learners which are not too bad in NW? Frustratingly we're staying in Guthega which will be getting directly pounded :(
     
  2. Donzah

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    Its going to be hard...cause looking at the winds coming. There will be a tonne of wind holds on Thursday (very warm) and Friday windy and quite wet early.
     
  3. Mils

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    Do you think Smigs will somehow hide at all? I am quite concerned we're about to have a really shit time all in all
     
  4. Donzah

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    Smigs will be the best wind wise, yes.
    I think you'll be ok on Wednesday. It will be quite spring like to be honest.
    It does decline on thursday..wind will pick up , cloud will roll in.
    Friday looks like a Blizzard developing. Guthega road will be fun
     
  5. nfip

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    can't have a really shit time.
    you're not at work.
    you're up in the mountains.
     
  6. Mils

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    yeah I think I will drive out early on Friday before the snow starts to settle (and its raining) from Guthega to save the hassle of the chains ect in our dodgy hire car :D
     
  7. Donzah

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    You'll have chains fitted.
    They are pretty much compulsory on guthega road (for 2wd)
     
  8. nfip

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    looking at the AXS G charts.
    have a sleep in , do brekky, go for a ski when the colder air moves in mid morning.
    the road will be better with snow on it later in the day. IMO.
    you dont want to walk and pack car in the wet stuff , start the day wet in any case.
    brumby T and maybe summit chair be a chance too.
    if it's too windy for Freedom chair they'll run cow T , slowly, to get you up the hill.
     
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  9. Ted Harper

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    On a windy day: Smiggins, Centre Valley at Perisher (but that will be busier), Blue Calf T at Guthega (if you are staying there - the ski across the desert from Blue Cow is brutal in the wind). If you must ski at Blue Cow then Brumby T. Eyre T on Mt P is pretty sheltered from the snow fence down but not for beginners and the top part can be nasty on the way up with ice blowing in your face.

    Don’t stress, go skiing, enjoy it!
     
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    I dont advise skiing from Guth to BC in a blizzard if you dont know the way.
     
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    On leaving Guthega you are not usually confronted by a chain bay or formal direction to fit.
     
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    No.
    Neither on way in on occasions.
    Mind you it's common sense
     
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    In = Wilsons Valley PB chain panic mall
    Out = slow and steady with one big hill.
     
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    I second what Ted is saying. We started at Guthega one day last year in a blizzard. Lovely snow skiing alongside Blue Calf T Bar but terrible trying to do the traverse from the top of Blue Cow T bar to Blue Cow (in fact a ski patroller stopped us, warning us that the wind was “terrible”; we ended up driving from Guthega to Smiggins which was - and generally is - much more sheltered).
     
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    getting back even more challenge into the teeth of a NW.
    obs the OP says beginner so could likely happy to spend day on Calf T.
    I'm beginner - intermediate and keeps me amused.
    this. ^
    drive out much easier than the drive in.
     
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    Last season I did the top of Cow T to Brumby thing in blizzard and it was farkd. Just didn't have a clue where I was going, couldn't see 3m ahead. Ski patrol had poles set out every 10 metres to guide the way so it was a game of trying to find the next pole amidst the white out.
     
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    Have come a cropper along that traverse in low vis. Expecting a rollover, getting a drop off. I avoid it in bad vis.
     
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    have done same.
    going to Perisher ski tube to top up supplies.
    ate s**t one day on the flats across to early starter.
    little wind drift had built up.
    on the ground ,fully winded , pissed off I came unstuck, , thankful no-one saw it bla bla.
    sometimes tho have no real choice but to do the lap.
    if you quick enough thru the supermarket can get same tube back uphill.
     
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  19. asammut_au

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    That traverse from Guthega to blue cow often gets wind drifts across it just before the early starter chair and in low vis while trying to keep some speed on the flat bit can be a recipe for trouble
     
  20. BrindiCruiser

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    I have a 11, 9 and 7 yo for their first 3 days at Perisher on fri, sat and sun. Reckon it will be a bit brutal initiation. They have skied about 25 days at Selwyn.

    From reading above, it looks like Central Valley and Smiggins would be the best bets from a weather perspective.

    Guthega, Mt P and Blue Cow sound like the toughest option weather wise. Sigh. Wish I was there from Monday instead.
     
  21. Ted Harper

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    Park in Smiggins. Take it from there. The free shuttle bus will run you up to Perisher and back if you/they don’t feel like skiing over but want to see how the conditions are in Perisher.
     
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    Smiggs for the win.
    Amenities are right at the car park and it's as sheltered as you will get.
    ps we only got side-tracked earlier as @Mils mentioned he's staying at Guthega , in which case the Calf T would be best option for him . IMO.
     
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    Sorry, yes I completely missed that detail for @Mils . The Calf T is absolutely great on a windy day.
     
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  24. BrindiCruiser

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    I was planning on catching ski tube up. Is it much mucking around to get from Perisher to Smiggins? Anyone know how often the bus goes between the two places?
     
  25. chicski

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    It does a continuous loop, so you shouldn’t be waiting more than 10mins or so.
     
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    As chicski says it's like clock work.
    straight outside the skitube doors , look North, can't miss it.
    remember this weekend ... it's half the fun is the feral weather , with out it there be nothing to slide on.
    Smiggs pub is a good get out of the weather.
    Very chill and family friendly , they know the gig.
    Take-away downstairs also.
    We've all been there. :)
     
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    Like what nfip & Ted said. Start at Smiggins. Front Valley will be much the same but heaps busy. If they need a few runs to find their ski legs Smiggins will have less people whizzing by.
    Once they get their confidence up and are looking for new terrain .. you can either get the shuttle across to PV or take the lift and ski over. I’d only ski over if they are killing it at Smiggins and are confident. It’s not hard (immediate level) but if it’s windy or poor vis, go the shuttle.
     
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    add to this ....
    skiing over YOU will need to know where you are going , in the likely conditions.
    You won't get lost but you will end up with short bit of a walk if you don't nail it.
     
  29. BrindiCruiser

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    I am thinking front valley and Central Valley on fri. Not yet school holidays so crowds should be less than sat. Head to smiggins for full day on sat. Thanks for advice.
     
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    how do we feel the ridge chair will cope? if i recall it's reasonbly well sheltered against a northerly, but gets hammered by a westerly. or am i mixing things up (it's been a while since ive been over to blue cow admittedly)
     
  31. chicski

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    I reckon Terminal will be out, which effectively shuts down Summit and Ridge.
     
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    Side saddle and early starter still get you back ?
    But if it's that sketchy.....
     
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    Good times when its just ridge & brumby (for return access) open at blue cow. But if just likely to be brumby smiggins and cv dont think ill bother.
    Decisions to make
     
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    This.
    Brumby t is reachable from ridge chair and is the evac route.
     
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    Exactly how do you reach Brumby from Ridge? Quite a bit of traversing I'd imagine
     
  36. chicski

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    Yep through the trees under the Terminal. Have only done it once and I recall uphills.
     
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    down side saddle. Past base of early starter. Contour around under Terminal down the track to rollercoaters. Then there is a line of ribboned trees off to the right. Contour around through the trees and brumby t base not far around the corner.
     
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    From the early starter double its a bit of a hard slog - e.g. from there it is mostly a traverse/uphill except for the last bit.You also have to go pretty wide on Side Saddle and there are at least a couple of places around the side saddle area where it isn't obvious where you have to go (at one point you have to be above the poles but unless you know this you'd likely go below them).
     
  39. chicski

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    So @Mils how did you go?
     
  40. BrindiCruiser

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    We skied Perisher on fri. Just front valley and Central Valley with. Few laps of Leichhardt. Great snow but too windy for kids, mainly after 2ish when wind really picked up.

    On sat, skied Smiggins all day and that was perfect. Wind was much more bearable for kids. I loved the tree skiing.

    Today thinking about pretty valley, interceptor quad and north Perisher for myself and eldest son for a few sneaky and the green blue cow run with a quad chair. Can’t remember the chair name. Going to very windy again today, more so than sat.

    Need greens and easy blue runs.

    What does forum wisdom suggest?

    Wind is forecast as W, steady at 30ish mph gusts to 50-70kph.
     
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    Wednesday and Thursday were pretty good days the wind wasn't too bad, I did a lesson and ended up being put in the advanced group. :0 but I did well with my dodgy parallel and we ended up in Zalis by the end of the lesson. I was staggeringly tired I can say that, my GF did well too she got up to turning and going down the hill at smiggins so that was epic.

    Then Friday when we stayed at Guthega we went to Blue Calf there it was actually insanely soft snow and ungroomed to hell. so I got a harsh lesson that soft snow is WAY harder on skis than snowboard! :D Ate it a whole bunch but it was still really fun when you were in the trees, once you got to an exposed hill it was terribad!

    So all in all it was very fun, there was def lots of options with NW wind.
     
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