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Just turning my mind to 2021 and thinking about possibilities (Telejoey #2 wants to go back to Ruapehu and those big Ruapehu runs keep calling...). For the Oz (NSW at least) players, it may be worth noting that NSW school holidays are largely out of phase with NZ school holidays. Last year they were much more closely aligned. Ya could basically do two weeks of NSW spring school holidays at Mt Ruapehu or south Island and be 90% outside the NZ school holidays. Ditto for July (but this is too early for Ruapehu).

For the Oz players though, one thing to bear in mind is Ruapehu Alpine Lifts have introduced a (no charge) car park reservation system. Supposedly DOC made them do it as a covid management control to manage numbers. No longer first in best dressed, rather you've got to pre-book a car space and if you miss out on a slot, you can't get up the mtn. Booking has been tricky from what I can gather. Fair to say this has caused quite a bit of angst on the socials - lots of life/season pass holders grumpy they can't get parking slots (having booked accom etc) and RAL haven't been running shuttles (I think? but last year shuttles where OK but a bit exxy for a family). RAL promising to tweak/improve for future but wait and see. However, I reckon weekdays out side of school holidays you should be OK regardless.
 
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Of course. But it is a likely predictor of the general trend wouldn’t you agree?
Very generally, yes. But that comes with a lot of caveats. We understand very little about our seasonal snow in NZ and largely rely on generalized assumptions. We are working on that though.
 
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Very generally, yes. But that comes with a lot of caveats. We understand very little about our seasonal snow in NZ and largely rely on generalized assumptions. We are working on that though.
At this stage I would like to just feel the snow. :(
 

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Not much skiing for me this season, but did have two days at the Remarkables back in July, after a long absence from it's rocky slopes..... a reasonable base though, and dry with plenty of fluff to be found.

Covid must be behind the new Sugar chair not being open - first two photos attempts to catch the new line of Sugar Bowl chair.

Muchl impressed by new terrain offered by Curvey Basin Chair ....been a while since I've skied at the Remarks.

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This was wye not and curvey before the chair was built.imo was heaps better before without it and the associated ground works. All it did was bring in extra crowds and parking grief and paradoxically cp ended up being quieter which was fine by me.
 

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This was wye not and curvey before the chair was built.imo was heaps better before without it and the associated ground works. All it did was bring in extra crowds and parking grief and paradoxically cp ended up being quieter which was fine by me.
Yeah, the flip in ski area demographics that has gone on is classic. Suits me fine, happy for cp to be the lowly, quiet locals/dirtbag hill.
 
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There's plenty more ridges to climb and ski around the Remarkables - good to see the southern ski areas getting a bit more serious about opening up new terrain.
 

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There's plenty more ridges to climb and ski around the Remarkables - good to see the southern ski areas getting a bit more serious about opening up new terrain.
Oh, for sure, the Remarkables are an amazing range. For my money, the best accessible ski touring/ski mountaineering in NZ. It's just a bit painful these days to have to commit to alpine starts just to get a carpark for weekend touring. If I'm only planning on riding lifts the snow needs to be excellent for me to bother with remarks, and crowds small, so no midweek skiing this year is a (understandable) bummer. But queue free hot laps at Coronet go a ways to making up for it.

I will be bummed to see a new lift go into Shadow basin.
 

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Amongst the (currently limited) scientific observations we have, there is no evidence for this.

Or I could mention the white Christmases mum had in Te Anau as a kid.
LOL I was going to tag you and say I'm sure Red will have data to suggest this is just anecdotal observation
It is a bit like "Summers were hotter when I was a kid"
But it does seem like I skiid a lot more good snow in June in past years
 

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LOL I was going to tag you and say I'm sure Red will have data to suggest this is just anecdotal observation
It is a bit like "Summers were hotter when I was a kid"
But it does seem like I skiid a lot more good snow in June in past years
June, or even May, is often good. And often that good snow disappears somewhat in late June/early July. Usually as a result of persistent high pressure. This is not a new thing, it's old wisdom amongst the heliski guides and avvy forecasters that this often sees the development of surface hoar that is subsequently buried and becomes an avalanche problem later in winter.

Seriously though, the biggest issue is, we just don't know. There are ways we could figure it out, just gotta convince the funders it's worth writing a cheque for.
 

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Been snowing to sea level all day in Dunedin. Had a dusting settled on the beaches here this morning, though the ground has stayed clear below 100 m for most of today. I was curious about how deep this southerly fetch was so run a hysplit back trajectory, originates inland of the Ross Ice Shelf, this is not a common occurrence.
 

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Dunedin yesterday looking from the Town Hall to the Anglican Cathedral.
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Unfortunately the airmass was fairly dry by the time it reached Dunedin, having tracked inland from the SW, so the snow was never quite heavy enough to last for too long. But it did look good while it lasted. 50 km south of here is a different story though!
 
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Thanks for that. :thumbs:
Trunker (Russell) is amazing. Only had a few days skiing with him though as he doesn't often come over the Wanaka side.
He was over though the day of the crash on Mt Alta organising people on the ground after most of the guides were up involved in the rescue operations. He told me that day about some of the early days, when we linked up with Paul Scaife starting up HMH. A few of the Wanaka guides in their 60's are happy that he is still going - just so they aren't known as the oldest guide.
 
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I recall him saying he knew Paul Scaife in Uni days. He said he started his operation in Queenstown early 80's, just after Paul Scaife had started HMH in 1978. I actually skied a day with his operation though not with Russell himself (didn't know him at the time) where we skied the backside of the Remarkables in 1983 the year before the ski resort opened. Sometime later he linked up again with Paul as HMH starting the Queenstown base.

I remember a great day in mid October 1992. I had come back then after having to leave early in August with a knee injury. Aim was to reach the 500,000 vert feet milestone which I managed. We had some great spring corn skiing with a good bit of powder as well. On my last day I was due to fly out from ZQN so wasn't expecting to ski. Paul Scaife though had other ideas (as he always did). He arranged to transport my luggage by road to Queenstown. We then flew into the Branches to ski, skied a couple of powder runs with Paul, then linked up with Russell who had come up from Queenstown. Skied a few really nice corn runs with him, heli'd down to the valley, where they had a fixed wing waiting to take us the airport heli base where my luggage was waiting. Then drove me around to the airport terminal with just enough time to pack my boots and skis before checking in for the flight to CHC. Awesome.
 

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Thanks Hienz as you probably know Paul was killed in a climbing accident about ten years ago on Aoraki. I recall there's a small monument to him on the aspiring road.
If he was still around I'm sure he'd be still out there guiding.
 
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Thanks Hienz as you probably know Paul was killed in a climbing accident about ten years ago on Aoraki. I recall there's a small monument to him on the aspiring road.
If he was still around I'm sure he'd be still out there guiding.

Time flies. It was actually December 2003 when Paul (along with Dave 'Hip' Hiddlestone) sadly left us after the incident on Mt Tasman. I've passed that memorial many times heading out down the Matukituki on the way to Aspiring station.
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Paul had actually sold HMH in 1997 and started Aspiring Guides to concentrate on his climbing - he was doing 50 peaks in his 50th year. If he was still around now he would most definitely be active somewhere in the mountains.
 
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