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Resource Observations 2020 Spencer’s Creek snow depth

Discussion in 'Alpine & Snow' started by Lady Penelope, Apr 30, 2020.

  1. FourSquare04

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    Very unlikely they will be able to get out and measure this week due to blizzard conditions. Expect an update after the storm, perhaps early next week once things settle down
     
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    Yes on Monday morning. as usual. All Blizzards end on Sunday at 4pm.. As they have to get off for the Wednesday lunch in NZ
     
  3. Infinity Dawn

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    145

    edit, if they take the measurement on tuesday this week then ill go for 89, next week 145
     
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    No Deep Ck nor 3 Mile Dam yet. Both will start from 0 cm - rare for mid August
     
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    Hallmark of a crap snow season with lots of easterly snow!
     
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    You'd have to think 2 metres is within striking range again this year. Measured at 127 cm on Thursday, which probably includes 30 cm of the current event. Then probably another 50 cm on top since the 127 cm measurement was made, so getting close to 180 cm. Something perhaps brewing first weekend in Sept to get us over the line hopefully.
     
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    This current weather event outcome will be interesting......good direction to deposit snow over the measuring area. Yet enough wind to move it on..... time will tell.
     
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    I’m thinking 180 to 185 if measured by Thursday. So I’ll call 182.5.....

    Would be happy if it’s more. Some of the drifts at the base of Mt P could be indicative of how it’s settled across the sampling area.
     
  10. robbo mcs

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    I’ll go for 178cm. However, wouldn’t be surprised if it is more of less, depends where the wind has blown and drifted.

    Just for reference, since 1954 when snowy hydro started the spencers measurements, there have never been 4 seasons in a row >200cm depth. I think we are close:)
     
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    It's happened 3 seasons in a row only twice.
     
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    Just need the heat to hold off a little and the first weekend in September event that the weather models are sniffing to come to fruition and fingers crossed.
     
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    190cm for me this week. It looks good out on the cams
     
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    considering the medium is 186 anything above it will make me happy! lets hope this clipper system comes up and allows 15cm on gfs run! might be pushing 200 then
     
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    Storm total around 91cm. Wind blowing everywhere. Hard to pick, but maybe 186cm? Possibly less ;)
     
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    With the forecasted temps coming this week we could see a bit of melt but cruising around P on the weekend there is deep cover pretty much everywhere. I'll go with 187
     
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    Where do you get the 186 from, my figures show 176 average maximum, which is in the last week of August. I'm not doubting your post, just asking where you got that number. Mine comes from Snowy Hydro.
     
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    Gerg used to have all the graphs. Just looked his site up - http://gergs.net/ He has been a bit tardy of late .Perhaps this dump will inspire him. LOL He has the median at 198 with a mean of 186 - one of those Maths fiddly bits where most don't care nor know about the difference. He goes back over a decade and has put all the Hydro data onto excel etc and voila - graphs.
     
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    Averages change as you add more numbers into a data set, so it wouldn't be surprising if the number actually changes each year. What year does the 176cm come from? Perhaps it could be an outdated figure, three 2m plus seasons would make a difference in a set of only 66 numbers.

    Most recently I have heard the average quoted as 195cm. That is the number that Mountainwatch seems to quote and a number of academic papers on the matter appear to have used in the past year or so. Again, that number may not be right. The 10 year average peak depth is 194.06cm, peaking in the last week of August.
     
  21. Chookfooter

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    My numbers are up to date as of last Thursday.
     
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  22. robbo mcs

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    I noticed they measured deep creek today, and went from 0cm to 75cm:D

    No spencers reading yet
     
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    It could go either way given all the above.
    But skiing around Perisher the last few days, there is a lot of snow, some very deep in places.
    Give the cold temps and no melt, I’m going 2m
     
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    Come on where's the Spencer's measurement. Snowy hydro get off your fat a$$es and measure it, now!
     
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    That's a solid increase
     
  26. Chookfooter

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    What, is it Thursday already?
     
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    Close enough footchooker
     
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  28. warrie

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    Don't forget 3 Mile dam LOL 67 cm. In reality Snowy is only measuring for their benefit, although if there were daily updates the punters here would be a lot happier.
     
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    Your measurement area is in there......leftish of pic. Taken today :)

     
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    Interesting comparison by Graham Creed on Twitter:
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  31. robbo mcs

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    Bruno (Brunellis) and Adi (ski tune) have both been around perisher for a long time. They both have told me 1973 was by far the worst season they have seen, much worse than 1982 or 2006
     
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    Certainly will be very interesting to see the spencers result. It was a good storm:D
     
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    132 is the number to beat.
     
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    Yep nice one Graham Creed you can check that again on Thursday and add another 40-50cm to that graph IMO
     
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    If deep creek got x amount cm wouldn’t it make sense for Spencer’s to get that same amount if not more?
     
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    Deep is at 1600 m and Spencers 1830 m plus they are nearly 100 km apart. But IMO it is not an unreasonable statement by Infinity to suggest more snow at Spencers as an "in general "sort of comment.
     
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    They are actually about 45 km apart, but your point is valid. The three measuring stations are in completely different weather pattern areas, which is why they are there, and what happens at one doesn't necessarily happen at the others.
     
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    Sadly we have sketchy data for Deep Creek and Three Mile for 56 and 64 to draw conclusive correlations. Outside those years the peak week/week increases is a different event for each station.
     
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    Comparisons: Area under the graphs to obtain cm or rather metre days. There's not too much in it - all 3 seasons were duds and as to how much snowmaking 47 and 38 years ago I will leave to others to remember and inform us.





     
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    1964 Deep Ck cf 2020: Oh for a big volcanic eruption last year.
     
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    I think there are a number of missing weeks in that record IIRC so difficult to determine a week on week comparison.
     
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    The measurement taken today is 167.8cm
     
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    Disappointing. Where did all that snow from last week go?
     
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    Filled up everywhere else
     
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    So there was about 95cm recorded at Perisher which was pretty accurate from observations but at Spencer’s Creek it only went up 40cm? I skied the back country at 1600m around Guthega on Tuesday and was sinking to my waist in the trees with my skis off. Did Thredbo sneak up to Spencer’s in the night with a truck and steal a heap of snow to dump on their lower runs?
     
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    There was rain between the last measurement and this snow event. Also I would suggest that snowfall was a bit less than 95cm. That said, I was expecting something in the range of 180-190cm.
     
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    The last measurement already included some of the storm total, but I’m surprised the Thursday-Sunday period only delivered 40cm. The Perisher snow stake showed about 60cm for Friday and Saturday alone.
     
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    I say its not a season until it hits 150, so yay, season!
     
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