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Discussion in 'Alpine & Southern' started by skiflat, Jun 28, 2009.
Your problem solved
why such hate for snowatch?
Keep it on topic
I observe we are all excited and are stitting at our desks pondering what will happen and how much of the fun white stuff we will have to play in next week.
I also observe that there is a nice band of moisture heading into the Victorian resorts and soon to NSW. I hope it is cold enough though it appears to be travelling from the NW.
I observe that Perisher will be cold enough for any moisture to fall as snow for the next 4 days.
! Call of the year. You've called it a fizzer with only a few hours into the morning....sigh.
sorry - off topic
No hate for snowatch at all , I love it and am there reading forecasts a lot. I just said if someone has a problem with this forum site they can easily switch to the Frog.
on topic - temps look to be sneaking up at Buller
looks like VIC is going to do better today. Bulk of the moisture just isn't quite making it far enough north for NSW. Pretty much as forecast by Meso-LAPS.
Its dumping now at Perisher & down to 1500m, lets hope it continues for days..
Wind Direction in VIC still yet to change to the south west. Come on hurry up and drop those temps!
At Bullocks today, but i finish at 1400 and will be on the train to perisher to find out just whats going on up there.
Mixed reports coming down the mountain, lots of people saying the rain last night knocked the base around, but also reports that the snow that has fallen is good, and snow showers are coming and going through the day.
Bullocks is getting cooler, with about a 3Âº drop earlier today, to almost 3c, and the rain has been steady here. The wind coming off the mountain is icy cold, but no telling if that is going to bring us more snow just yet.
Stay tuned for another update, and possibly some pictures later.
EDIT: Another interesting fact - Top station of the quad recorded windspeeds of >120kph yesterday, with bottom station not far behind at almost 100kph, however for reasons unknown this isnt reflected in the windspeed graphs on the website. (Info came from forum member Dylan who was working on the quad when it shut down)
I get ready then
I'm seeing a nice rain band approaching melbourne from, what appears, to be a south westerly direction... i cant tell though as the BOM melbourne radar is down and the only one available is melbourne airport which is a static image... Looks like the NW to SW swing might me somewhere between the mountains and just west of Melbourne now
weatherzone radar works fine
The main Melbourne radar is down and has been since Monday, due to be fixed on Thursday PM
The backup radar at Melbourne airport does work and does have loops! However it is a part time radar and is out of action for a few hours each day.
Weatherzone simply uses the same radar images, it is NOT another radar system.
what we are seeing right now it is not real radar image ?
Yes the current radar is live & accurate
The problem is that the 2 of the 4 radars that VIC use at the moment; Melbourne Aiport & Mt Gambier are part time only
So between 03:15 - 04:45pm 09:15 - 10:45pm 03:15 - 04:45am 09:15 - 10:45am each day there are no images/data from them
The main Melbourne radar at Laverton is out of action until Thursday afternoon which is the main problem. This is a very nice Doppler (High resolution) radar and operates full time.
It is only because this is faulty and a backup radar is used, that for 6 hours a day only the Yarrawonga and East Sale radars are used.
Hopefully fixed by tomororw according to the BOM
Weather has gone nuts here in melbourne - lots of wind and lots of cold driving rain
Temps dropping at Buller
The band moving across NE across Macedon now looks good. wish there was a weather station up on macedon.
new band just hit melbourne now
Can no longer see Mt Dandenong from out of the office window (Chadstone). Looks like a hell of a lot of rain out that way atm...
Odd, not a cloud in the sky in Elsternwick. Kinda depressing, actually.
The cams on Mt Hotham are showing heavy snow, though, which is what really matters, isn't it!
At hotham it's been snowing heavily all day today, there is about 10cm of fresh snow in the village and on the upper runs. The lower runs were closed (village loop) so I'm not sure if the runs are covered yet. The snow was light and fun to ski on down summit. I've attached some photos:
This one is looking from my lodge with big D in the background, the cover below big D is what most of the mountain looks like. There is no snow on the rail cos the wind has blown it away.
This one shows about 10cm of snow- it was the best object I could find to photograph as the wind has blown most of the snow away!
Anyone got anything to report from Perisher...
My friend is trying to tell me that it is raining despite the temp being -1
now these are the obs we are after!! Well done snowobsessedgirl!
Keep em coming!
Play the time lapse of the last 2 days, see the snow build up on the railing at the end. It isn't light and fluffy but it is snow.
Just spoke to Lake Crackenback near the Ski Tube and it is sleeting there. So I am pretty sure it is snowing at Perisher.
Not raining here right now, and as the temperature drops through the afternoon that should continue to stay true.
Ok, another report from the staffroom window!
Wind is quite strong and gusty from the WNW, Blue Cow is pretty crappy, perisher valley isnt too bad.
I'm going to assume right off the bat that Mount Perisher is on wind hold again.
Snowing moderately in the village, but its just large gritty sago, and the occasional smaller flake mixed in. About 15cm seems to have accumulated on the ground, giving a nicely rideable surface, but the rain overnight has really torn up the base, so its very very lumpy, with quite a few patches of ice under the high traffic areas.
No sign of the snow slowing at all here, beyond the occasional slackening with the wind.
Next report will be tomorrow morning hopefully.
Looks like about 8-10cm at Hotham and Falls now. (click for larger
But moisture seems to have stopped at the boarder
graphs from: http://www.jamesh.com.au/weather/
really heavy rain down the Peninsula associated with large Band-looks like its going to miss the the mountains tho-heading due west
certainly looks that way looking at the radar plowking!! dissapointing!
... as has been said a few times in this thread, not all the radars ar operating properly ... There is pleanty more moisture on its way if you look at the broader loop and realise that there is a radar "hole" around Swan hill. That combined with orographic lift will mean snowfalls will likely continue for quite a while yet (for vicco resorts anyway).
Just starting to slightly stick in Thredbo Village, very wet though. Decent snow above the cat shed. Perfect for the t-bars. Hopefully lower slopes will recover in the next 2 days, but moisture certainly hasn't been an issue here all day.
Pics of perisher vlly this morning and this afternoon.
So are you' saying radars work in conjunction with each other to build up a "big" picture? And if a few aren't operational, there will be a gap of moisture in theimage around that area?
Trappers do you have something against the NSW resorts.?
The way i see it the moisture will favour NSW tonight if the sat pic has its way.
Yep spot on. Each Radar has a range of up to 256km but that is limited by surface features, and also as you move further away from the RADAR base itself the radar is scanning higher into the atmosphere (due to the curvature of the earth) and therefore can miss low precipitation features at large distances.
If you look at the weatherzone radar page (which just duplicates information from the Buereu of Meteroology radars), and click the "Optimal coverage" option at the bottom left then you can see the optimal coverage area IF the RADARs are all working. As Andee pointed out The Melbourne one is out of action.
Even with this "optimal coverage" map, if the rain features are low in the atmosphere then they will not be detected at the extremities of the the radar scanning range.
Would have been a nice band to hit 100 ks nth tho. 20cm in an hour for that one...
Not sure of your point. There may be a radar hole but there has been no rain anywhere in the Mallee today or right through to Yarrawonga. Not much showing on the satellite in that region either.
Look at the loop and in particular Mt Gambier (before it went offline for wind finding duties at 15:06), there are still a lot of cold pool showers in there.
Note you'll need to have access to WZ Silver to look at the 3hr loop (at least) to see what I mean.
Actually you can see one of those showers appearing "out of nowhere" now on the yarrawonga radar around Sheparton.
HotHam & Falls going to get smashed shortly ! Cold enough there too which is good
Ok, thought so Trappers. I couldn't follow that link though, I don't have WZ silver.
I observe very grey clouds passing above Victoria's south eastern suburbs atm. Look to be heading towards Buller.
Also, Buller is currently sitting at -0.1, and somehow rising. What??
if the alps get what we have had this arvo dump time for sure hopefully it can push up to the alps!