Observations: Spencer's Creek Snowdepth 2017

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  1. Adelaidometer

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    So Mount Agung eruption helped us to our second largest recorded peak depth 1964?
     
  2. POW_hungry

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    I can't see 20-40cm tonight/tomorrow TBH
    I think rain is likely to impact compaction on Tues/Weds ahead of the next reading.
     
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    The X factor is the monday reading which they have been known to do in the past in spring due to rapid changes in snow depth at this time of year.

    Still I don't think tomorrow has quite enough in it to get us past the 2000 goal post.

    254cm for me.
     
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    IMO yes . Three largest stratospheric aerosol eruptions in the last century
    Agung 63/64, Pinatubo 91 and ElChichon 83. The el nino diminished the cooling effect of the latter.
    Agung being very close to the equator gives good bang for buck in the cooling potential department.
     
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    Snowy Hydro have adjusted their graph with a 250cm up to 300cm section. All ready for a 250cm plus reading me thinks. 255cm IMO.
     
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    It's warm! I'll say a loss; back to 227cm
     
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    I like this . Remember tool that last weeks reading was on Tuesday at around 10am, before the drop. 258 for me..
     
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    I hope so.
    I noticed that a day or so ago, but it looks like today they've changed it back to 250
     
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    240.9cm is the reading
     
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  12. cin

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    sorry I'm lazy, big day at work
    is that now the peak?
     
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    My pick 240.9
     
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    Rumour is 219cm for this week. According to a bloke who spoke to a bloke that talked to the Hydro guys who just returned from taking a reading today.
     
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    Your source is correct! 219.5 to be exact ...
     
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  18. maverik

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    185.7cm...........for those still interested!
     
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    Actually a 34cm loss isn't too bad, considering the warmth (ie Spring) of the past week.
     
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    Compares quite nicely with 2000 I think...
     
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    185.7cm Awesome.
    When do they stop reading . A date on the calander or when there is no more snow ?
     
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    Interesting comparison. This year 185.7cm, same time last year 170cm. However, the snow will last much longer this year. The drifts around the lee areas and the cornices etc are just so much bigger than last year.

    They read until there is no snow left btw
     
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    If you're not interested you should leave now.
     
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    Mm, I assume Perisher will be quoting the new figure tomorrow? Even though it's a still cop out.

    NSW: The only ski areas in the world I'm aware of that can't measure their own snow.
     
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  25. Hemsley

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    I wonder if we'll have a metre base at the start of November? We are bang on with 1984, right now.
    Those big years 2000, 1984 both seem to go to zero in mid Nov.
    1964 looks like it keeps going into Dec, however Dec isn't listed in the graph.
     
  26. phantomas

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    They can, they do, when they report new snow, and see how contentious even that is, "OMG Perisher reported 10cm, but I was driving past Friday Flat the next day I could clearly see it was not even 9.1cm, those freaking liars!!!!!"
    Having an independent, sort of scientific source like SnowyHydro is a godsend to them, nobody in the world has that, Carlottes', Thredbo and Perisher use the Spencer Creek Reading not because of some commercial conspiracy but because it removes a major source of aggravation to them. You may not remember but they have only used Spencers Creek as their official depth for about a decade, and they rightly call it the the Spencers Creek depth not the Perisher depth. It was decades of bullshit before that, so I think it was a genius move, and there is no way they'll go back to the old days.
    In the end all you need to now is if the snow depth is ~50cm, ~100cm or ~150cm+ to gauge pretty accurately what sort of coverage you're going to get across the mountain.
     
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    Thredbo in particular is hard as they would have such a huge variation between upper, mid, and lower mountain. Giving any single reading for Thredbo is always going to be innacurate, but at least with Spencers we don't get the crazy one-upmanship that we had for years as both they and Perisher would seek the deepest drift from which to take their measurements.
     
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    Absolutely - they would love having someone else take the measurements and then they can easily blame them for inaccurate depth recordings.

    I think there are other reasons why the resorts don't measure themselves like:

    - The 'actual' depths would be so embarrassingly low that it would deter people from buying lift tickets IMO. Why else do you think they use the highest elevated measured depth? For Perisher it falls conveniently about mid way between the lowest and highest points of the resort elevation so it gives an 'average' resort depth reading, but you don't nor will you ever see them using Deep creek which is roughly around elevation of the bottom of Ridge / Guthega / Smigs.

    - If they did have measurement points around the resort, then wanker whingy types would constantly complain "oh why would you measure there, you should measure here"

    At the end of the day, if you're a punter with very little knowledge of the Aussie ski season I can guarantee you will be taken advantage of until you (quickly) realize the reality of the situation - short winter = maximum profit needed = bend the truth as much as possible & charge you as much for anything & everything.

    It's Forums like these that contain thousands of experienced, helpful & knowledgeable experts that can help you get the most bang for your buck.
     
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  29. climberman

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    Did you miss snow reporting in the 1980's?
     
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    I did - first year I saw snow was 1996

    I can imagine how bad it was though and how many lies were told
     
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    I remember NZ snow reporting in the 80's. Used to be great and raw.
    They used to air it at half time in the rugby on a Saturday.
     
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    Lies were told until snowcams came along IMO
     
  33. maverik

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    150.4CM is the latest.........And as stated above, with the amount of cams and live obs we have......who cares what the reports are!! Move on.
     
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    It's interesting..... I've been out there the last couple of days including yesterday where readings are taken. I know what the readings are saying but I observe less snow in places than the same time last season (noting that we had good post season snowfalls around this time last year). Yet in some spots there is clearly more snow. Its aspect based and as you'd expect.....in general the leeward sides that captured all the wind blown are holding up ok. This holds true for Spencers and the resorts.
     
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    I just think that if you've been going to resorts for more than five or six years, you should have a pretty good idea of actual conditions at your resort of choice, based on the SC data. Yeah it might vary a bit season to season but between SC and 'what lifts are open' you have to know how it is.
     
  36. robbo mcs

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    Not really surprising I suppose. The wind drifts / cornices in the resorts were huge, and you would expect them to last a long time. However, it has been a month since a proper snowfall, and it has been warm, so the rest is going quickly.
     
  37. maverik

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    107.8cm..fairly steep line as you would expect.
     
  38. telecrag

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    Be steeper after today.
     
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  39. robbo mcs

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    Now well below this time last year
     
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    not surprising given the very sudden seasonal change this year
    and the bulk of the base coming later in the season reducing time for solid compaction
     
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    yup, 42.5cm (26.oct), comparing quickly to the past few years, this is quite precipitous.
    The mountain streams must be raging?
     
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    Same date last year 122cm. Thats quite a difference, considering how good the base was this year

    Lake jindabyne still lower than this time last year (just)
     
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    There were reports and claims last year of the snowiest October in memorable history. There's been NO October snowfall this year.
    That said, I reckon there are drifts in the main range deeper than this time last year.

    Swings and round abouts, and such is the nature of the Aus Alpine Region.
     
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    I skied in a fair bit of snow falling in November, and we didn't get to peak depth until two weeks after season close last year, so it makes sense.
     
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    In the last 10 years it's only been deeper at this time twice - last year and 2009. Both were weird below-average seasons with really late peaks.
     
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    i was hoping for a cm in the latest........nope. o cm
     
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