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Culture Only In Japan ....... (Again)

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Nozawaman, Nov 14, 2015.

  1. M_G

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    I had dinner one night with a couple of Japanese salarymen/women friends in Tokyo. One turned up on time because he left to go on a sales call in the afternoon and then recorded it as a long meeting so he wouldn't have to go back. The other one was 90 minutes late because she couldn't leave until her boss did. And they both complained that nothing really productive was going on. They just had to stay because that was what was expected.
     
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    Yep!!!

    And not only that, even when they can leave, often these guys don't. When I've had to finish something important before I leave, I've seen them pissfart around getting coffees, a snack at the combini, and just mark time until 8pm, just because that's when they normally leave, if they're not too busy!!! :doh:
     
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    Why are the bosses still there late when their not being productive.. Whos watching them?
     
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    Hey this happens in Aus as well. Try working for one of the big law or accounting firms. You never leave before the boss does. And lots even come in on weekends.
     
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  5. Sandy

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    Not like this.... every company. Big or small... consistently. And hardly anybody takes their full AL, usually about 1/2 (that usually means 5-8 days).

    A lot of these "salarymen" don't even have to be at work as long as they are. (read my post)
    When I asked one Japanese guy why he stays so late, he said that it's easier if he doesn't see his family until the morning!!! WTF?? :doh:
     
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  6. Sandy

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    If you could see how many meetings and how many emails the bosses get.... The bosses have stuff to do, but in the words of a colleague "It's better for your career if you stay until he leaves".
     
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    That's bad.
     
  8. Sandy

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    And about the AL....
    I asked one lady why, and she said that she feels guilty if she takes AL while the others in her team are working....
    I told her that this logic doesn't make any sense, because if they all think that way, NONE of them will take all of their AL (which is what happens).... in other words not taking AL will cause a knock on effect, so nobody takes all of it. By the counter logic, if everybody in the team agrees to take all of their AL, then none of them need to feel guilty.... but in true Japanese fashion, that never happens.
    OTOH, my boss is Swedish, and makes sure all of his people take their AL (as he does). At work, the more Japanese there are in the team(s), the more prevalent this crazy logic is.
     
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    I was talking with a lady here at work this morning. She'd be in her 30s, has two kids under 5. She works from around 9am - 4pm, when she goes to pick up her kids around 4:30pm. I asked her what time her husband gets home from work.
    She says "I'm not sure"
     
  10. M_G

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    Yep, pretty much. If they are living out in commuter towns they are often home after everyone has gone to bed and gone before everyone gets up.

    Don't forget that often after work everyone goes out for a drink too.
     
  11. Sandy

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    Well, she lives not too far away. i.e. She drives their car to work(!!!), but if she caught the train, the walk & train would be no longer than 25 min.
     
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    No wonder they nod off on the train, I was interested to know how they could wake up in time for their stop.. I watched them wake up look around then get off, very clever..
     
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    They have their phones in their pockets that have an app that vibrates the phone when they are at their stop to wake them up so they know when to get off.
     
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    https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/07/japan-mystery-low-birth-rate/534291/

    "I met a young man named Jou Matsubara, who graduated from Rikkyo Daigaku, a prestigious private college in Japan. Matsubara, who comes from a working-class family, thought he’d achieved the Japanese dream when he graduated from college and got a job at Daiwa House Group, a Japanese home builder.

    The company advertised itself as a great place to work, but Matsubara, who was a wrestler in college, told me it soon became evident that it was anything but. Though company employees left work at 7 p.m. on paper, Matsubara said he was required to work until late at night almost every day. Employees were required to sign off at 7 p.m., even if they were still working, and were given iPads so that they could do so even if they were out of the office at meetings. If they didn’t sign off, they’d get a call on their cellphones brusquely asking them to sign off immediately but keep working, he said. “The amount of time you're actually working and the amount of time that is recorded you're working have absolutely no relation to each other,” he said. Matsubara got almost no time off, and was required to take classes to receive real-estate certifications on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, which were days he was told he’d have free. This lifestyle made dating impossible. The closest he got to women, he said, was when his boss would drag him to cabaret clubs, and then make him pick up the tab."

    "Eventually, he suffered a nervous breakdown. He said the company forced him to resign, and then made him pay back the money he’d saved from living in a company dormitory."


    If people are getting laid off, there are labour laws in Japan to protect the worker, with due process.... however, Japanese workers often just "accept their fate", because it looks bad if you contest a sacking for when you go for other work.
    Although, some workers contest it.... I knew a guy who sat at a desk on another floor for a year where he twiddled his thumbs and did nothing until "due process" took its course.
     
  15. M_G

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    No, my wife said she could always wake up before her stop, and this was pre-phone/internet days. Must be a special Japanese body clock.
     
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  16. Vermillion

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    Maybe back then, but im sure now you can get an app that does it.
     
  17. Sandy

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    There's one other way....
    In Japan they play a tune just before the door shuts.... usually, it's about 8 seconds before the door shuts.
    On the JR Yamanote Line (and various others), each station has a unique tune. I've seen a few times, where the tune plays, and a sleeper jumps up and runs out of the doors just before they close. So there's clearly gene where the Japanese sleeper recognises the tune for his/her station while asleep, and it wakes them up!!! And then it occurred to me that this is the REASON why the tunes are different!!! :D

    Edit: And recently, one station changed its music to a Star Wars tune.... trying to remember which station.
     
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    Tokyo station tune is my ring tone on the mobile.
     
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    ..... mind you, I never seem to have problems waking up before the right station!!!! ;)
     
  20. MisterMxyzptlk

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    You couldn't say it's only in Japan
    BUT
    they do take it next level
    That look of absolute disgust the taxi drivers give you at International airports when they see you actually have (oh the horror) suitcases rather than just carry-on
    Add children for the win
     
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    Never noticed the different tunes, will take more notice, although skipping Tokyo this trip.
     
  22. Sandy

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    The Star Wars is on the Tokyu Toyoko Line, Musashi-Kosugi & Jiyugaoka stations, different tunes....
    And some of the trains on the Toyoko Line:
     
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    Yes, young people are so soft these days... :whistle:o_O;)
     
  24. Sandy

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    And Shibuya....
     
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    How to cross the road in Japan. Don't forget the bow.
     
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    I will mostly nod or acknowledge someone who stops for me, though perhaps not a bow
     
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    sure sure... don't you blow them a kiss?
     
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    Depends what they are driving
     
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    More re Japan's shrinking population.
    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/japan-demographic-time-bomb-signs-2017-12?r=US&IR=T
     
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    After I come back from Japan I find myself bowing in situations where I dont need to (which is any situation in Australia) and have to go nup, not required here mate.
     
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    I have to concentrate hard on this, and also not saying "sumimasen" instead of "excuse me"!!! ;)
     
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    Kinda frowned upon when you yell at the waiter in AUS.
     
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    Tbh the Japanese and Canadians are generally more couteuous than Australia.

    Where’s the harm in bringing some of these cultures back and not keaving them at the door when we come back?
     
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    Nuffin wrong with taking your shoes off at the door
     
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    I have to stop myself from saying,, Hai!,, One of my fav's, says so much..
     
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    Agreed... i find myself more tolerant of others, especially in the car, however it wears off and I need to go back for a re boot.
     
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    I mean if you almost bump into someone, and the like....
     
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    Is sumimasen correct if you want to get by someone who is blocking your path? I tend to be saying it to snowboarders a lot..lol
     
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  39. Sandy

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    Yes
     
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    I recall some pretty obnoxious aussies yelling “excuse-me-masen” in a restaurant one evening to keep ordering drinks from the waiter. One of those cringing moments when people are acting incredibly rude without knowing :mad:.
     
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    It's not going to work!!!!! LOL

    Another strange example:

    In Australia, you would probably get chewed out if your boss found you sleeping on the job, at say, 3pm.
    In Japan, sleeping on the job is a sign to your boss that you've been working super hard, and is viewed as acceptable, or evn to be encouraged!!!!
     
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    Yes, a drone is not going to change a culture.
     
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    I don’t know how you do it @Sandy !
    I find myself doing the whole greeting/excuse me thing in Japanese every trip home! And some of those are just a week or two here.
    Lord knows how hard I’m going to have to think about it after almost 5 months!
     
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    Why, why why!!!!! ;)
     
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    Nothing a paint job and a shotgun can’t fix
     
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    That bike rider was at Ikenotaira? Saw him this morning.
     
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    Yep!!!! He was heading down the hill almost near the crossroads.
     
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    I love that sign!

    And it really is perfect for the situation. Quite a few spots on quite a few hills I’d like to plant that sign.
     
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