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Question Parks pass for garaged car?

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by AVC, Jun 10, 2018.

  1. Interruptedbyfireworks

    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    What is this subsidised price?! I live in Queanbeyan and paid the full annual price! Rookie, clearly.
     
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  2. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think that as its the same council or something, you can get local pass.
     
  3. Interruptedbyfireworks

    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Interesting. Will have to check it out. Though the snowy-Monaro local council based in Cooma is different to the Queanbeyan-Palerang one so I’m probably not local enough.
     
  4. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    It is absolutely a no brainer if you’re driving your own car into the park.

    The only place I’ve come unstuck in the past is the uncertainty around getting an annual pass if you’re using hire cars.
    I had the annual pass two years running that they simply tied it to my licence rather than my car, and because it was a Western Australian licence it was ok for me to use different hire cars when ever I went back. Was great.
    Then the 3rd year they wouldn’t do it.
    Since then I haven’t stayed longer than about 5 days at a time so it hasn’t upset me too much. But I’ll be kicking up next time I have to pay more than an annual pass rate just because I’m in a hire car!
     
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  5. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    You could always get it living in Cooma, before the amalgamation. I'm not sure what towns it extends to.
     
  6. Boutros

    Boutros One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    You can also get your annual pass for $175 if you renew it at the same time as your car rego...
    https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/passes-and-fees/discount-and-concession-passes#DAP anchor

    I'm pretty sure the locals pass extends to Queanbeyan. Ask at the NPWS visitor centre next time you are in Jindy, they have a form you fil out that lists all the eligible postcodes (can't seem to find it on the website).
     
  7. Nozawaman

    Nozawaman A Local

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    But do fees go back into the park .
     
  8. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    They go into the park system, not necessarily the actual park.
     
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  9. was June daily watching

    was June daily watching One of Us

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    So you can afford
    but you don't want to cough up the park use fees?
    This might be the proof of what non-snowsports people think about snowsports people.
     
  10. Cuddles

    Cuddles One of Us

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    Just to add to this thread. We came down in January for 7 days and stayed on hill for a break and bushwalking. Really surprised how much it has to offer, lodge is cheap as.

    My mates father was coming, over 70. They got free entry for 2 vehicles for a year, as long as one of the older folk were in a separate car.?? That's favourable . Should be a term rate of say $100 or less for people parking of road and staying long term ie 2 weeks minimum.
     
  11. skull

    skull One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    you don't get to afford apartments with a garage at Thredbo by willy nilly paying park fees
     
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  12. dainsufficientrightsduck

    dainsufficientrightsduck Hard Yards

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    Give it 20yrs and we, including the free public use heritage brumbies, will be a micro chipped revenue stream to pay for the extensive network of biking/horsing/walking trails, toilets, car parks and campgrounds within what was previously known as a National Park.

    the end is neigh, bring your own bark chips ....
     
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  13. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Whenever they get the rego recognition cameras up, I wouldn't be surprised if they snap you both in and out of the park. Especially at the Thredbo end where people are "going through to Khancoban".
     
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  14. sastrugi

    sastrugi Beyond the yoga zone Ski Pass: Gold

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    Friends of ours used to manage a lodge atop an undercover carpark in Thredbo. Random pass checks DO happen though not regularly.
     
  15. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I’m going to dob you in LOL
     
  16. Myazma

    Myazma One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Fair enuf (ah FFS), would have thought that might constitute as trespass though.
     
  17. sastrugi

    sastrugi Beyond the yoga zone Ski Pass: Gold

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    No, not trespass. I'm talking about lodge guests staying the week in the carpark with no pass as they thought they were in the safety of a lockup garage. It was always a risk.
     
  18. was June daily watching

    was June daily watching One of Us

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    The
    and
    probably have power of entry.
     
  19. Myazma

    Myazma One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Probably not
     
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  20. SkiMountaineer

    SkiMountaineer One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I heard that if you buy passes online it goes into the common kitty for NP, but if you pay at the gate, it goes specifically to that National Park. It is only hearsay.
     
  21. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    This is where the money goes.
     
  22. Whatever really

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    Same price summer and winter? This is why I choose NZ it is so much cheaper.
     
  23. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    It's a National Park 365 days of the year! It's not Thredbo charging!
     
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  24. Whatever really

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    But parks charge the same summer and winter ?
     
  25. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    No, summer is less.
     
  26. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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  27. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    read my links below.
    The fee over and above the old bog-standard park entry was established to pay for infrastructure services at Perisher. In the interests on competitive equity, it was levied on all the resort accesses.

     
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  28. climberman

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    “This report is designed to deliver a better deal for New South Wales taxpayers,” he
    said. “It also will provide greater certainty for future investment in Perisher, which
    depends on the quality of the roads, sewerage and other infrastructure in the area.

    Visitors to the other Kosciuszko ski fields also will be paying more for entry to the National Park, so all the resorts can compete on equal terms.”

    In a report released on 5 November 2005, IPART recommended fees and charges designed to remove taxpayer subsidies of Perisher infrastructure, fund necessary capital works and operating costs, and ensure Perisher can compete fairly with other ski resorts.

    The recommended fees and charges include:
    •an $11 (including GST) surcharge on day entry to the Kosciuszko NationalPark, bringing the total cost ofday entry to $27 (including GST)
    •a $105 (including GST) surcharge on annual entry to the Kosciuszko National Park, bringing the total cost of an annual pass to $190 (including GST)
    •leaseholder charges of around $14 per bed per night in 2006, rising to $19 in2015, compared with current charges of around $13.

    IPART estimates the cost of providing infrastructure at Perisher over 30 years at $159 million (in 2000/01 dollars) - including $36 million for sewerage, $31 million for internal road systems, $27 million on administration, $24 million on water supply and distribution and $23 million for rubbish collection and disposal.


    So we pay more, to be equal :)
     
  29. Ret-ro

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    Not correct. Cheaper in summer.. And still much cheaper than NZ
     
  30. CraigT

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    Yep I went into Charlotte's Pass a few months ago and it was $17 a day.
     
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  31. Ozgirl

    Ozgirl Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Registered my car yesterday - took them up on the $175 pass. even though we probably wont use it enough this year to justify it.
     
  32. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    And an absolute buttload cheaper than the poor vicco's, who only need one for winter. I think theirs is now into the trillions pa.
     
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    vicco is actually for winter resort entry, not NP. no NP entry fees anywhere in Vic. Some (beaches?) may have a parking fee I think :rolleyes:

    personally I would prefer to see a moderately priced annual parks pass to better fundparks. FFS water bills have charges for metro parks.
     
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  34. Poppies

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    Out in the western suburbia I'm acquainted with numerous cases of old folk from overseas who don't necessarily drive themselves regularly anymore becoming owners-of-convenience of motor vehicles that really are usually driven by their kids or grandchildren and kept where they live, contrary to registered address, in order to exploit the free pensioner Rego and to evade paying proper insurance and green slip premiums based on the real location where car is regularly kept & the true ages of those who really are the cars regular drivers. It's quite rampant and often the parties are quite comfortable financially despite their efforts in dishonestly evading their legal obligations.
     
  35. Bertie Egg

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    According to the NRMA web site, if I park my car outside the house 2 doors down from me, my insurance premium would be $600 instead of $900. What a crock of shitehen.
    Age of regular driver is not an issue nowadays. Just the age of the at fault driver. You can nominate a younger driver to reduce the Age Excess, but naturally the premiums go up immensely. But you do not have to nominate a younger driver.
     
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  36. CraigT

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    The best thing to do if you go to the snow is buy an annual winter pass/2 year pass and on the last year go just before it runs out so you turn a 1 year NP pass into 2 or 3 year one.
     
  37. Famos

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    Sooooo, if I only intend to use, say, Gunbarrel chair and Cruiser chair to ski almost all of the mountain, can I get a big discount on my lift ticket? I'm only using two of them after all. That way I could afford to stay in a place with lock up parking and hide my Porsche from the NPWS!
     
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  38. Lifes2good

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    I'm a bit late to this thread but just wanted to say the Thredbo rangers definitely DO patrol the private garages and carparks - last year I watched them writing out tickets for cars parked in the garage at Lantern. Cheat the system at your own risk.

    We buy a 2-year pass usually, we can often get three years' entry if we time it right. Plus entry to all NSW parks all year round. We go to a lot of NPs so we get good value out of it. Have to agree with those who said if you can afford to pay an arm and a leg to stay in Thredbo you can afford an extra finger or toe for park entry.

    My parents used to come with us when the kids were babies and, as pensioners (my parents, not the kids!) they were exempt from paying NP entry fees on their car.
     
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  39. Ozgirl

    Ozgirl Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Question - cause this is as good a thread as any..

    My parks pass i paid for when registering my car - does it get mailed to you?
     
  40. Dropbear

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    Digging up an old thread to ask about this question - if we buy an annual parks pass at the gate - or the Jindabyne Visitors Centre - will that result in the funds going to KNP verses all NSW parks???

    Between the fires and the ferals, I would prefer if KNP was the recipient rather than the general system...

    Thanks if anyone knows the answer!
     
  41. skifree

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  42. climberman

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    The high prices at KNP are to pay for
    management of KNP, mainly Perisher’s sewerage system.
     
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    person s Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    leaving aside how you think one park operates separately from ‘the general system’ isn’t KNP the most expensive park for NPWS to manage?
     
  44. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    And I believe the only park where revenue exceeds expenditure.
     
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    It also pays for the TVT, the walking tracks, the huts restorations, the cross country track grooming, the Iconic Walk, etc etc.
     
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  47. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    A Number were grants from other fund buckets outside of NPWS regular spend, AFAICT.
     
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    Looking into the IPART review (p6):
    Recommendation 14
    Entry surcharges from ticket sales should be applied to Perisher infrastructure as follows:

    • 80 per cent of all tickets sold at the Kosciuszko Road Vehicle Entry Station
    • none of the tickets sold at Vehicle Entry Stations other than Kosciuszko Road
    • 35 per cent of day passes sold at places other than entry points to the KNP

    • 35 per cent of annual passes sold at places other than entry points to the KNP
    • 95 per cent of Skitube sales
    • 95 per cent of Kosciuszko Road bus sales.


    The report says that these figures represent park use for visiting Perisher as opposed to park use for visiting other places in KNP (p38-39). So we know how much of the money from parks pass goes to fund Perisher infrastructure.

    What we don't know is:
    - Whether the other % of the money goes to KNP, or does it go into general revenue for NPWS?
    - Whether this KNP verses NPWS funding split is different depending on the purchase location outside KNP - such as parks passes bought in Jindabyne / Sydney / online / with car rego / etc...?