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Question Perisher food ideas?

Discussion in 'Perisher' started by Chalet51, Nov 5, 2015.

  1. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Meanwhile, back in Japan, this is what a $10 lunch coupon gets you

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    Good luck finding anything close like that in Perisher.
     
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    The funny thing in japan , there is not mountain tax... what would cost you 1000 yen in a izakaya in town would cost you the same up the hill.
    Considering some of the conditions they have to contend with moving stock etc.

    I remember being the only person (well a long with smitty) in a dining hall in a little hill in Niigata.
    Dining hall was huge...8 people working or so , halfway up the mountain... and we were the only customers... full stop.
    For the entire day...
     
  3. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Up the hill here is a little more expensive but not much. e.g. ramen down the road is 800 yen. at Akakura Kanko it is 1000 yen or there abouts.

    8 staff for 2 people is not sustainable. Which is why so many have gone bankrupt.
     
  4. Donza

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    I think this hill is subsidized by the town, i've been there on weekends and it was packed.
     
  5. Chalet51

    Chalet51 Hard Yards

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    Thanks everyone for your thoughts and suggestions, really appreciated. Great site so much info. Well done.
     
  6. Kieran

    Kieran A Local

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    My understanding is that Perisher owned the lease on the lifts and buildings and the rest (inc the carpark) was NPWS managed land (different to Thredbo).

    So you'd need to negotiate a concession with NPWS, not Perisher... and who knows what attitude they'd have. Might be worth asking.

    But probably not.
     
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  7. WaitAwhile

    WaitAwhile One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Maybe perisher could just add a sandwich bar to their current service areas ,and call it metro or underground, so as not to confuse it with subway.
     
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  8. Chalet51

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    Cheers I'll try and clarify.
     
  9. Legs Akimbo

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    What Kieran outlined was certainly the case historically. However in 2009 the lease was re-negotiated to bring all the separate occupancy rights under one umbrella. SMH article. I have a feeling, but am not sure, that the odd arrangement of just the lift footprints in Perisher was changed so that the lease covered the whole resort area. Although individual lodges still lease directly from NPWS.
     
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    Chalet51 Hard Yards

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    Again cheers for the info, all these secret negotiations, still waiting for those 1300 construction jobs!
     
  11. Kieran

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    Hard to be sure of anything based on that article, unfortunately.
     
  12. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    I reckon Vail would not have bought the place with the old arrangement. It would have constrained development plans.
     
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    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    They didn't, their lease is still only for the lift lines and building footprints, however the resort area defined by the 2007 POM is used for planning purposes map. Basically from a development perspective the greater resort area is treated the same as the Thredbo Head Lease, but while you move within it you are within the Park and not Perishers Lease Area.
     
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  15. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    I really don't know, but what part of that link says something different? What is the significance of the red and black lines? I know, for example, that Blue Cow had some sort of licence that encompassed its whole area (it mattered in the toboggan/Corflute negligence case). However lift lines are outlined in red, but the Blue Cow area is within the black line. The whole concept of a lease is that there are two (at least) sets of rights that are governed by the terms of the lease. The owner (NPWS) has some rights and the occupier (Perisher) has other rights.
     
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    The license vs lease area is referenced on this page. I've called for clarification previously, I'm sure Karen would be happy to clarify things for you.
     
  17. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    It may be referred to. But it adds no clarification.
     
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    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Did you look at the legend?
    The court judgement talks about a lack of clarity on whether or not the accident happened in the leased or licensed area (can't find the case but it is referenced by @Budgiesmuggler in This Thread. There wasn't a head lease back then and I'd be surprised if there ever was.
    Did you look at the legend?
     
  19. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep. 2008. Whatever happened happened in 2009.
     
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    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    I remember it happening earlier, more like about 2006.
     
  21. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    You will have to take that up with the contemporaneous news reports.
     
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    Actually it happened in 1995
     
  24. Legs Akimbo

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    Cross purposes. I was talking about the consolidation of occupancy rights. And there is still not a head lease, but there is every chance that Perisher's rights extend beyond the lift and building footprints now.
     
  25. MisterMxyzptlk

    MisterMxyzptlk Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    And there's no reason for one in Australia
    It's not as if you're dragging a bullock dray up through Dead Horse Gap having off-loaded supplies at Gundagai from a riverboat
    It's not isolation and distance that determines price,rather the need to make a years profit in 3 months (even less these days)
    No-one seems to rant about going to Dreamworld or Wet'n Wild and paying similar food prices
    I was blown away by the nosebleed pricing of PFD mass produced garbage at Movieworld when I was there recently for a kids birthday
    The most inedible pap you could imagine and yet the queues to buy were half an hour long
    A franchise isn't going to work because of the buy-in costs and need to operate 12 months of the year
    My feeling is that if you provided great service and good food you probably wouldn't have to worry about snipping prices too much


    Below is a picture of frozen chips making their epic journey from the Echuca Railhead up the Murray to the Murrumbidgee being off-loaded at Yass for their final 3 week journey to Perisher mid-station by bullock dray
    [​IMG]

    Maybe not
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    They can operate a ski resort and have planning concessions within the POM defined resort area under a license. They only lease the lift lines and building footprints.
    You should have a look at the POM.
     
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  27. Legs Akimbo

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    They can do whatever they damn well want. They are two organisations negotiating a commercial deal and can lease whatever they want. For example, they have excised and created separate titles for all of the individual club and commercial lodges. Then they have created a title for everything else to which, presumably, they have granted rights to Perisher. You should look at what the Land Titles Office thinks is happening.
     
  28. Legs Akimbo

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    I looked at the PoM. Para 10.6.1 Objective 4 is interesting.

     
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    The lands office are only clarifying the legal definition of lands which have been leased. They may create a legal description to be a head lease in Perisher at some future date, however that is not the current situation. I just pulled the LPI data into my GIS at work, You can see there is a lot which contains the Thredbo Head Lease.


    You'll notice there is no lot to define a Perisher Head Lease, but there are lots which define the individual lift lines, the car park and the building footprints.


    In fact if you go to Six Maps you'll see that the consolidation of legal descriptions at Perisher has not begun and every lot has an individual description.

    Without a legal definition of the land being leased there can't be a lease. There is no lot for a Perisher Head Lease, the Perisher Lease is constrained to the lots you can look up for yourself on Six Maps.
     
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    Now we are talking about a head lease? When did that happen?
     
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    Excuse my use of the term head lease. Perisher still only lease their lifts and building footprints.
     
  32. Legs Akimbo

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    I don't think so. I find it very difficult to imagine that, if there was a simplification of the occupancy rights in 2009, they stayed with the clunky footprint model and excised the runs, snowmaking etc. I also find it difficult to believe that they gave up the site wide rights that existed for Blue Cow for the clunky footprint idea.

    And if you accept the Sixmaps as up to date, there appears to be no occupancy right for the new chair at Guthega. That is unimaginable.
     
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    If Blue Cow had site wide rights where is the lot? Why did the 1995 quadriplegic tobogganer case have trouble determining whether or not the accident happened in the lease area or the license area?

    I don't know about what has happened with the bondage chair lot, but that Data was extracted from the LPI on the 5th.

    I'm going to leave you to your incorrect imaginings since you won't consider evidence, especially the map which describes the Perisher Lease Area.
     
  34. Legs Akimbo

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    Where is the lot for the lease of every shop in a shopping centre? If you think a lot is necessary for every lease you should get out more.

    The difference between the lease area and the licence area (as you describe it) was that, if it had occurred outside the Blue Cow licence area the only occupier would have been NPWS. Inside the licence area Blue Cow were an occupier and owed a duty of care.
     
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    Why weren't you skiing?
     
  36. Legs Akimbo

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    In fact, Telemark Phat, if you look at paragraph 10.6 of your beloved Plan of Management you will note a distinct and significant variation of the wording for the occupancy rights attached to Perisher and Blue Cow.

    as opposed to
     
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    So.......Hamburgers, hey!

    :)
     
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    That may be so. Perhaps you could ask it for something that substantiates your claims?
     
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    All of that may be so, but I have produced a deal of circumstantial evidence to substantiate my belief. What do you have?
     
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    I'll flush him out @Astro66 uses a poo tube on his autonomous jet ski while being courteous to other water users!
     
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    Aren't you? I'm becoming reasonably convinced that you have no idea what you are talking about, apart from some half-understood snippet you heard a few decades ago.
     
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    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    LOL

    Leasing Arguments are not worthy of my troll. They are beneath me. just as you are

    BTW .... I'm not talking physically beneath ...... that would be Ghey ..... Not that there's anything wrong with that. ........ Just not TP ..... Or any other bloke ...... Except Toff ....... I'd turn for him.
     
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    @TOFF Requires call out..........
     
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    @TOFF has tuna features!
     
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    Knew there was something fishy about him...........

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