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News Perisher Issues Uphill Access Safety Alert

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by SkiMountaineer, Jun 5, 2019.

  1. nfip

    nfip Cold n' Rusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm typically coming from the other side of the hill so Cowpuccino is the standard go-to .
     
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  2. Gimp

    Gimp One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Are self made policies enforceable by law?
     
  3. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    No, but what Perisher can do is throw you off their slopes and ban you from going back.
     
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  4. Gimp

    Gimp One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    How? Do they have special powers of removal? Can they recognise if a mate buys me a day pass if banned (not that I'd ever spend money there).
     
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  5. rickau

    rickau Hard Yards

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    What's interesting is that Perisher's land boundaries are contained to Lifts/Tows and buildings. This is the boundaries map which can be accessed via Six Maps. Maybe the runs are leased via a different mechanism through NPWS, I have no idea? Regardless of the legal status I'd be exercising caution and common sense if you choose to skin up.


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    Thredbo on the otherhand is all enclosed

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  6. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    It's their land. They can do whatever any other possessor of land can do.
     
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    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    That is correct and also why there are no MTB tracks at Perisher
     
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  8. Gimp

    Gimp One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    So they have no jurisdiction over the actual ski runs only the infrastructure footprint. Its a public asset, they lease bits of it. They can't physically remove you, that would be assault.
     
  9. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    There is something called the franchise area, which covers the whole resort. I don't know what rights it gives them but would be surprised if they didn't have the power to manage the area, including removing people.
     
  10. Gimp

    Gimp One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Show me the money or stop talking out your ass
     
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  11. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    Manners.
     
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  12. nfip

    nfip Cold n' Rusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    No money .
    but un-qualified thoughts from out my arse....
    I suspect it simply comes along the lines of Duty of Care by " The Resort " operators.
    considering the machinery ( plant & equipment) they are operating in providing a service ( i'e the resort , groomed trails and lifting ) to the public whether they are a paying customer or some-one who has just hiked in from the carpark or main range.
    the applicable Law of nature would be " shit happens ".
    and if the punters aren't stumbling around where you would not reasonably expect them then that reduces the risk.
    If you are shown to be pro-active in providing " rules" or a firm Policy then you are more likely to be viewed less than negligent when inevitably shit happens.
    IMO.
     
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  13. Belly

    Belly A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    The Gimp does not appear a Perisher fan. I can sympathise with that.
     
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  14. nfip

    nfip Cold n' Rusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes I get it.
    Has it's moments.
    Works for me , tho I pick and choose my moments.
    and as you know I'm not limited by the lifting operations. ;)
     
  15. kylep

    kylep Cage rattler Ski Pass: Gold

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    Isn’t it something like- the lease is for the asset areas, but the ski area has some kind of area of operations definition and restrictions?
     
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  16. Ozgirl

    Ozgirl A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes actually they can.

    They no require all cardholders to have an acct that they link the pass too. You actually have to show I'd to pic up your day pass.

    Also the cc that you used to pay for it.
     
  17. Jacko4650

    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Stood and watched a guy skin up the RHS of Front Valley at Perisher only 2 days ago. Nobody seemed to take an interest other than me as as was trying to figure out where I could practice uphill walking in safety and out of everyone's way with the new gear I just purchased. I didn't feel like driving all the way round to Guthega just to test out my gear.
    I suppose if there was more snow, I could have practised by skinning up the road toward Eyre / Charlottes Pass???
     
  18. Snow Blowey

    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Skinning up groomer is lots different to skinning unconsolidated snow and negotiating wind drifts and sastrugi.
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Indeed.

    Next time try smiggs!
     
  20. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    The only areas where Perisher has the right to restrict your movement in your National Park is within their Physical Assets. Their lease does not give Perisher the power to prevent people entering those leases. The franchise area, as described in the Alpine Resorts SEPP is the area in which Perisher may conduct "Ski Resort Operations".



    If you decide to skin uphill against the policy Perisher Staff can't stop you, however what they can do is call a Ranger, or Policeman who do have the power to remove you.
     
  21. Ozgirl

    Ozgirl A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    And can ban you! Might remove you, but can ban lifted access.
     
  22. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    Isn't there a separate agreement covering what happens in the franchise area?
     
  23. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    They certainly could.
     
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  24. Ozgirl

    Ozgirl A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Glad you got the point of my grammatically incorrect post!
     
  25. AndrewA

    AndrewA One of Us

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    Why choose to skin uphill at the resort? Aren’t there other hills nearby? I thought the whole “backcountry” aspect of this forum was about being away from the resorts! Yeah, yeah, I know, it was just a discussion, and I chuck my post in tongue in cheek.
     
  26. Ozgirl

    Ozgirl A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I agree!

    Which is why you don't want the resort to ban you altogether!

    But skinning after dark has its appeal.

    And perisher (as the area not the resort) doesn't have much watching so not as high risk.
     
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    AndrewA One of Us

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    Fair call. Not sure about skinning for the sake of it after dark...

    Though I enjoy walking up Bogong in winter after dark.

    A
     
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  28. Ozgirl

    Ozgirl A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    That was supposed to be 'winching'
     
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    I can think of a few reasons.
    Practising in a controlled environment.
    Someone who doesn't want to pay the lift pass, but wants the safety of a resort.
    Someone who has paid for their lift pass, but chooses to skin regardless for environmental reasons.
     
  30. Ret-ro

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    They have the head lease now
     
  31. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Since when?
     
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  32. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    In Europe skinning up in the resort makes sense to avoid being or causing a avy hazard.

    Also there will be a decent cafe at the top.

    And the format of the races involves skinning up groomed routes. Did I mention how massive this race scene is in Europe.
     
  33. Snow Blowey

    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    A bit of resort skinning used to be a good way to get to paralysed havevis the odd tow line. Then RFID gates came along.
     
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  34. nfip

    nfip Cold n' Rusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    still skinning around the joint.
    how else do you get home from pv in the late hours when tube has ceased ops for the day ;)
     
  35. skinavy

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    They tried to get a head lease arrangement, similar to Thredbo, and it was rejected in 2017
     
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  36. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    If the accessible snow level starts at the resort, and they close the snowless road past the resort. How the Fark can you get to the BC without going through the Resort ???
     
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    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    Avoid Perisher.
     
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  38. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    Or buy a ticket and use the lifts to get past the Resort.

    #MissionAccomplished
     
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  39. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    God invented Guthega for a reason. Who would use Perisher to get to the back country anyway?
     
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  40. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    A group familiar with Perisher and surroundings, and wanting a little Side Country, without getting lost and dead.

    A group wanting to just try Cross Country skis in familiar terrain.

    For the number of uphill skiers. Forcing nubes to into unfamiliar areas, is not intelligent.
     
  41. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ohh, my favourite @Astro66 troll, the saftey troll.

    Saftey Troll! Saftey Troll! Saftey Troll!
     
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    Swede One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    If u need to go through resort just get your arse out of bed a bit earlier and make sure you’re out of resort before lifts start up. Don’t know how many times I’ve ran in to Mountain operators, groomers and ski patrollers over the years and always just giving you a wave asking where you off to.
    I could be wrong but unless you do something stupid I don’t think anyone’s gonna care.
     
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  43. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    Stop peaking behind the curtain. :D

    BTW. Now you're Perisher Corporate. Do you have to wear a 3 piece suit when teaching ???
     
  44. Ozgirl

    Ozgirl A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    exactly! I thought the policy was quite reasonable considering!

    ie Winch cats operate after dark...
     
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  45. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    Saw an obviously nube group of 5 cross country skiers, practicing going up about 20m at the bottom of Centre Valley yesterday. Then making some turns down. It was deserted and nobody worried about them.

    Seems a shame that Mountain Ops were supposed to chuck them out.
     
  46. Ozgirl

    Ozgirl A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Honestly by have a written policy they can say "get out"

    Just because they wrote it doesn't mean it will be enforced...
     
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    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Naa, not Perisher Corporate, its skiing but not Perisher. I'll still be teaching a few days for Perisher this winter though.
     
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  48. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    The people familiar with Perisher would, apparently, not be you. If you want the Paralyser get to Perisher Gap and go from there. And then there is all the other side country like ... ummm ... and ummm. If you want cross country cross the road.
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Except the trails across the road are not yet open.

    Early and late in the season and on mad race days XC folks often use the area / zone between the road and lifts.
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    And if they do not have a lift pass that is what most folks do. I've not yet met folks skinning thru the resort to get to Paralyser, but I'll keep an eye out to look for them now.