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Perth man arrested during snowboarding trip in Japan

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Nidecker, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. Harper11

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    Not much detail but we definitely know he was snowboarder

    refresh your cookies and you can read all the smh and age you like
     
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    Shouldn't be paywalled. Its just the Herald? Copy the link and open in an incognito browser window.

    But below is the story, doesn't really say why he was arrested. Might just be profiling? You know black, snowboarder, muslim, falun gong, buddhist. All of these things will get you arrested. :pLOL:)

    edit: Don't be PC in your response to this comment, I am truely being ironic!



    A Perth man who was first reported missing while holidaying in Japan has been arrested by local authorities.

    Josh Gray, 35, was visiting Shinjuku, one of Tokyo's buzzing districts, as part of a snowboarding trip when he failed to return to his accommodation, the APA Hotel Kabukicho Shinjuku, on Thursday.

    Mr Gray's family said he was last seen leaving a nightclub with a woman on Wednesday night and had not returned phone calls or been in touch with his family since.

    He was due to return home on Friday.

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    Perth man Josh Gray has been arrested while holidaying in Japan. CREDIT:FACEBOOK


    His father, Kim Gray, told WAtoday the family had engaged a Japanese lawyer to assist them in locating their son who had been able to confirm the 35-year-old had been arrested and was being held in a facility in Tokyo's Asakusa neighbourhood.

    "We believe Josh has been arrested in Japan," he said.

    "We don't know why and we haven't been able to speak to him."

    He said the family had filed a missing person's report but had been advised that under Japanese regulations, detainees were prevented from contacting anyone for three days after being arrested.

    "We think he was arrested in the early hours of Thursday," he said.


    "We have time to wait before we may or may not hear from him."

    He said the family was currently speaking to Japanese police and trying to navigate the country's "draconian" system.

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    Josh Gray was due to fly home on Friday. CREDIT:FACEBOOK

    A Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade spokesperson confirmed they were aware of an Australian man arrested in Japan but were unable to provide further details "for privacy reasons".

    "[We] will offer consular assistance in accordance with the Consular Services Charter," they said.


    Japan is a popular destination for snowboarding and skiing enthusiasts between the months of December and March, when most flock to the country's Appi Kogen, Asahidake, Furano, Hakuba and Niseko sky stations.

    Mr Gray's accommodation was located in Shinjuku's Kabukicho district, the city's famous entertainment district, best known for its adult-oriented nightlife and late-night snack bars.

    Mr Gray's father will be flying to Tokyo on Monday.

    "What I'm going to do is be there for my son and support him emotionally," he said.
     
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  3. Harper11

    Harper11 Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    He looks sensible:D

    hopefully nothing to serious
     
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    Sorta says it all, doesn't it.
     
  5. Dave6

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    No, why?
     
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    Q: 3 snowboarders are riding in the back of the car, what do they call the driver ?

    Officer
     
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    Do journo's just grab whatever pics are public on an individuals facebook? An editor agreed to run with the snake one? "Table tennis tournament wearing a snake, run with it!"
     
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    Single white gaijin in the fleshpots of Shinjuku
    What could possibly go wrong
     
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    LOL .... thought he was in Kuta
     
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    .....and let the speculations begin!
     
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    Tonester Lift Line Nazi Ski Pass: Gold

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    And how long did it take to refer to something that you might not understand or that is foreign to you as "draconian"?

    BTW, what is a "sky station" and why haven't I seen one when I flock to those resorts listed in the article?
     
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    Not really.
    Most people have a few crazy photos on their Facebook page that taken out of context could make them look like idiots.

    Pretty much.
    The mature headshot? Nah...
    The family group showing how good he is with kids... Nah

    Let’s go with snake on the head.
    Shame there no bong smoking photos.
     
  13. MisterMxyzptlk

    MisterMxyzptlk Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    You really have to stop consorting with boarders
    It's giving you a skewed sense of what's normal
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Looks like it’s a transfer company from
    Chitose.
     
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    Of course Japanese discipline would appear draconian to privileged Perth parents that have always been able to do what they want.
     
  16. MisterMxyzptlk

    MisterMxyzptlk Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I actually passed one on the way back from Rusutsu this year.
    It was the first thing I thought of when I read that
    And of course SkyNews...the TV Station
     
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    As a Perth parent who currently has an adult child in Tokyo, if he went missing I’d be frantic. If he was arrested and I knew it I’d be livid. These are two very different emotions. I don’t think it is asking too much for a notification of arrest so that you know your person is in police custody and why, rather than worrying they are dead on the street somewhere
     
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    I've always worked on the basis that if I ever found myself in the presence of Japanese law then it's my problem, not theirs
    Western expectations regarding justice and procedure are not readily transferrable to non Westminster justice systems
    News reports regarding Japanese arrests over the years are pretty consistent in how very little contact or knowledge surfaces quickly
     
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    It is extraordinarily primitive to punish the family in a misguided attempt to punish the accused or the convicted. The family has done nothing wrong and does not deserve to be subjected to 'Japanese discipline' (if indeed, that's what it is).
     
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  20. MisterMxyzptlk

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    You should write an angry letter to the UN OHCHR
    I doubt Japan has a Miranda warning or the right to a phone call or a lawyer on arrest
     
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    their country, their rules. no one forced him to go there.

    yes it would be good if the japanese system advised next of kin and allowed some contact. but it's not our right to demand that they do everything our way. the rest of the world does not exist merely as a playground for English speaking westerners. /soapbox
     
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    Merely speculation again and bordering on casual racism but in Japan, given the shame,does the arrested WANT their family to know?
     
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    looks kinda photoshopped
     
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    He is 35 so an adult, his choice to notify parents.
     
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    I was being a little tongue in cheek and relative to current privilege related discussions, but I also may happen to have privileged Perth relatives with children of similar age. I'm with Tonesters implied sentiment that the draconian comment is not helpful.
     
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    The Japanese system is somewhat draconian.
    If arrested, you are held in a "dentention centre" for 3 days with no contact. Can be held without charge for 30 days. Evidence based facts are less important than confessions.
     
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    Over the years I have found it amusing that Aussies overseas feel a little like they are immune to local laws.
    Obviously I have zero knowledge of what happened here, but the mind harks back to the bank robbers in Colorado as on example.
    Trying to instill in my daughter, respect for foreign countries legal systems and customs. Hope she is learning this.
     
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    My Mum has had some interesting phone calls over the years, even had the police come to the door and tell her I was dead so I have empathy for his parents but its VERY clear here you can be held for weeks without charge and there is no rights to phone calls etc. Not sure why people think that should be different for Aussies over Japanese people. He was not a minor so why should the authorities have to contact anyone??

    When the original posts appeared on FB I told a family friend of his not to worry as he was most probably in jail or a hotel room with a hooker and a big bag of rack. No surprise it was one of those two outcomes.
     
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    so this is a non-story story that the media are trying to make a big deal out of?
     
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    the Japanese justice system isn’t very nice
     
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    the ex-SBS guy who was looking for his kids was caught in his in-laws’ front yard and spent weeks in solitary with the lights on 24/7
     
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    In either order.
     
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    Probably WAS the first one that got him banged up abroad in the first place.

    Id hope my offspring never ended up n this kind of mess. And yeah, he is 35 - not an adultling. But I do think the notification of SOMEONE that they’re being held is appropriate, even if it’s just the consulate. Otherwise you have frantic travel mates searching the area, calling hospitals and police through the hotel or interpreters, desperate calls out on social media, family back at home searching and calling. All of which doesn’t need to happen. One notification from the police to the consulate that this person is in jail they have provided this local contact and this next of kin to be notified. Consulate calls “sorry guys but Mr X has been arrested, we don’t know any details at this stage, Japanese justice system works like this. If we find out any more we will let you know.” Simple.
     
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    If you can't do the time , don't do the crime ......
     
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    Yeah, nah

    There's also the issue of how innocent people accused of crimes are treated
     
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    When was the australian embassy/consulate informed? It wasn't t clear to me in the things I read. I got the impression that they were probably the 1st to know, but no idea how long after the arrest.

    If the australian mission is told within 24 hrs and they promptly pass it on to next of kin then that's probably not unreasonable. No ide how reality compares to this
     
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    More like "If you can't afford to be held without charge for an extended period of time, make a plea bargain for a lesser charge in order to expedite your release, even if you are innocent of the initial charge".

    I know that this is a common occurrence in the USA, where individuals can be held on remand pending trial for long periods of time, putting other responsibilities at risk, so people plead out even when the chance of a conviction in court is low, simply to get out of jail and back to their life. Couple this with things like the three strikes rule, however, and you have a dangerous combination.

    I can imagine that similar issues would occur in Japan, especially where "saving face" is so important (a quiet guilty plea is preferable to an unexplained absence due to time held by police).
     
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    No we bloody well could not.
     
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    Being held for 3 days without being able to contact anyone - as a tourist - is pretty ridiculous IMO. You just have to rely on the fact that someone else notices you are gone and is able to contact your family and friends. As someone who regularly spends a night in Tokyo solo (not that I do anything illegal), this would fall to the hotel or airline noticing my absence, and informing my emergency contact. Why not just save everyone the dicking around and let the person have contact with someone?
     
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    I didn't miss that point at all, you expressed yourself very clearly. I don't disagree with you, but I still think it's an unnecessarily arduous way of doing things. I don't expect they'll change things any time soon.
     
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    The Japanese can impose all the consequences they like (as you have so eloquently expressed). But we do not need their draconian arrest without the right to contact someone system which is what you appear to have proposed.
     
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    I'd be happier if they would immediately contact the embassy/consulate if a foreign national was detained. Not necessary to say why, just that they have been detained. A simple process (and courtesy?) that would not really compromise their system. But ultimately it's their country, their rules, don't go if you can't accept that.
     
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    i suspect the police probably would let you contact someone, or at least contact someone for you.

    Unless of course you are a completely obnoxious tourist screaming about rights, in which case they will use the full 3 days available to them ;)
     
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    Your wording certainly gave that impression without trying to twist it:

    I read that as "we could do with some of that draconian treatment in Australia wrt people who are arrested". If that wasn't your sentiment then fine, but as a general rule I don't support any form of pre-conviction "draconian consequences" as per what we're hearing of from the Japanese system. Post conviction, sure, or reasonable measures at the time of arrest for the safety of people and property, no problem.
     
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    You specifically quoted @LMB saying that they would be frantic if their adult child was missing without notice in Tokyo, and your response was to ask if Japan should change their culture, system of rules etc to accommodate a foreign standards. This reads pretty clearly as saying that people should not expect to have family contacted in the event that they are arrested (for whatever reason).

    Now, given that one of the primary criticisms of the Japanese justice system is their reliance on confessions, combined with the ability to hold people without charge and no requirement to notify family of an arrest, and you have a system that is ripe for abuse.
     
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    any details on the crime yet?
     
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    I think it's changing, but ever so slowly. I had some arduous experiences with tax free paperwork and a lost JR pass on my last trip. It was pretty maddening. I had a laugh at this in one of the Shibuya underpasses, the irony of putting litter on the wall to get the message out is quite tasty.
     
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